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OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more

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There are very few things that we can (and are willing to) control. Wearing masks is one of them. It's not NEARLY the #1 precaution we can take. That would be shutting borders and seriously locking down like New Zealand did. America can't/won't do that. So we can't/won't eradicate the virus like New Zealand was able to. Therefore we need to focus upon what we can do. Wearing masks proper is one thing we can do.

If masks "don't work", why have surgeons worn them since the dawn of germ theory? Should they not bother any more? Is that a change you would like to see?

Surgeons wear them so they don't get splattered by the patients blood and inerds.
 
Im old enough to remember when this was said but a couple people in this thread somehow are making up what they said in March

Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” the surgeon general, Jerome M. Adams, said in a tweet on Saturday morning. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”
 
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Here is where I call bullship on you original statement. 25%? Please. Maybe in an isle by themselves. You can't check out at Home Depot without wearing a mask properly. Employees? 25% You are flat out just lying.
Ok, guy who wasn't there. Go tomorrow and actually look...
 
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Here is where I call bullship on you original statement. 25%? Please. Maybe in an isle by themselves. You can't check out at Home Depot without wearing a mask properly. Employees? 25% You are flat out just lying.


they have to because they went all in on masks being the end all be all and politicized it, they have to start saying people are not wearing them as a reason why cases are increasing despite mandates.

The thing is its okay for scientists and doctors to say "we do not know", at least they would be honest with this
 
Is making a vaccine mandatory to take seriously taking away your freedom?


yes and requiring a passport yes...listen if everyone who is interested in the vaccine gets it and some opt not to, then it is their problem if they get sick....if you are vaccinated, then why do you care if others are..if at a certain time everyone who wanted to be vaccinated is vaccinated then we should be good.
 
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I don't need to go tomorrow. I know the regional VP and have been to the 3 stores near me in the last 5 days. Stop the "get off my lawn crap". You are embarrassing the old folks like me.
That's very interesting, but I ALSO stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night...
 
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yes and requiring a passport yes...listen if everyone who is interested in the vaccine gets it and some opt not to, then it is their problem if they get sick....if you are vaccinated, then why do you care if others are..if at a certain time everyone who wanted to be vaccinated is vaccinated then we should be good.

Just curious why you’re so against vaccines? Do you not trust them? Do you think they’re unsafe? Do you believe they inject you with tracking liquid?

Listen I’ve never been vaccinated for anything in my life..but if the country is requiring everyone get vaccinated in order to return to life...I’ll be first on line
 
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Just curious why you’re so against vaccines? Do you not trust them? Do you think they’re unsafe? Do you believe they inject you with tracking liquid?

Listen I’ve never been vaccinated for anything in my life..but if the country is requiring everyone get vaccinated in order to return to life...I’ll be first on line


didnt give my opinion on whether I support or taking it did I so why do you assume

What I am for is personal freedom of choice and vehemently against a mandatory vaccine and passport

again...if you get the vaccine and everyone who is able to gets it if they want, whats it to you if someone chooses not to, they live with that risk and consequence and quite frankly we would be close to herd immunity anyhow
 
Just curious why you’re so against vaccines? Do you not trust them? Do you think they’re unsafe? Do you believe they inject you with tracking liquid?

Listen I’ve never been vaccinated for anything in my life..but if the country is requiring everyone get vaccinated in order to return to life...I’ll be first on line


who defines "return to life", who determines that...do we get to vote on that
 
didnt give my opinion on whether I support or taking it did I so why do you assume

What I am for is personal freedom of choice and vehemently against a mandatory vaccine and passport

again...if you get the vaccine and everyone who is able to gets it if they want, whats it to you if someone chooses not to, they live with that risk and consequence and quite frankly we would be close to herd immunity anyhow

So would you get vaccine if you needed to show proof to travel, attend events or interact in groups?

I disagree with “requiring”‘it as well..but if that means a quicker return to normal sign me up
 
the WHO changing the definition of herd immunity in one years time is an example of some sciency science
I think we should go back to our March statements. "Virus gonna Virus". "We are all going to have to face the music"
And as the months passed by the people who pretend to be experts they have been proved to be sooo wrong.
 
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Show me where mask compliance is "everywhere you go" please. I can't even go to home depot in central NJ (where most people are pretty good) without seeing 25% of the customers AND STAFF with the mask off or below their nose. Forget about it in a red states where it is so much worse...

I happen to live in a dirty despicable anti science red state. Maybe the redest of all, South Carolina. And let me tell you that where I live almost everyone wears a mask in stores and the vast majority are conscientious of others in regards to social distancing. We don’t need your “red state vs blue state” bullshit. You do you and we’ll take care of ourselves.
 
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I happen to live in a dirty despicable anti science red state. Maybe the redest of all, South Carolina. And let me tell you that where I live almost everyone wears a mask in stores and the vast majority are conscientious of others in regards to social distancing. We don’t need your “red state vs blue state” bullshit. You do you and we’ll take care of ourselves.
People everywhere are doing stupid things that have led to increasing viral spread. Look at some of the massive parties they've broken up in NYC, including that giant wedding with thousands of guests. Similarly in Los Angeles - stay at home orders in place yet people were crowded into shopping malls before Christmas. Millions of people traveling between states. Even in states/localities where there are official mask mandates and stay at home orders, people are still doing whatever they want. It's not really a red/blue state thing, at least not now.
 
People everywhere are doing stupid things that have led to increasing viral spread. Look at some of the massive parties they've broken up in NYC, including that giant wedding with thousands of guests. Similarly in Los Angeles - stay at home orders in place yet people were crowded into shopping malls before Christmas. Millions of people traveling between states. Even in states/localities where there are official mask mandates and stay at home orders, people are still doing whatever they want. It's not really a red/blue state thing, at least not now.

I agree 100%. It’s not a red state - blue state thing at all but that is explicitly what he implies. That us Luddites in red states are running around maskless just flaunting any responsible personal behaviors which is not the case at all.
 
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yes and requiring a passport yes...listen if everyone who is interested in the vaccine gets it and some opt not to, then it is their problem if they get sick....if you are vaccinated, then why do you care if others are..if at a certain time everyone who wanted to be vaccinated is vaccinated then we should be good.

Yeah, think you're skipping over the part where we haven't quite reached herd immunity and the virus is still going strong. Absolutely support event venues and the like from having a vaccine requirement and expect them next year. You don't own a personal freedom that says they can't.

Want to get back to life as usual ...get the vaccine when your number is called.
 
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we are not wearing N95s

LOL at thinking surgeons wear N95s and not...wait for it...

“Surgical masks”
 
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didnt give my opinion on whether I support or taking it did I so why do you assume

What I am for is personal freedom of choice and vehemently against a mandatory vaccine and passport

again...if you get the vaccine and everyone who is able to gets it if they want, whats it to you if someone chooses not to, they live with that risk and consequence and quite frankly we would be close to herd immunity anyhow
You have freedom of choice. You can choose not to take a vaccine or wear a mask, and private companies or organizations can choose not to serve you. Freedom of choice, religion, etc. apply to the government, not private enterprises.

Unless you’re trying to say businesses shouldn’t have freedom of choice?
 
Show me where mask compliance is "everywhere you go" please. I can't even go to home depot in central NJ (where most people are pretty good) without seeing 25% of the customers AND STAFF with the mask off or below their nose. Forget about it in a red states where it is so much worse...

Why don't you start with California for starters. Or in the great state of NJ. Where Murphy has ruled with an iron fist and cases went up anyway. Pick your poison.

Now we are shifting the goal posts to so and so isn't wearing the mask correctly? Lol
 
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