Hey we’ll worry about that in 2024. The reality of all this is the a toy what you posted ... the world needs anywhere between 15 to 20 billion doses nit 10 billion.That’s quite a difference.
OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more
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So is it a distribution problem or a supply problem? You've harshly criticized both. So the Feds should have miraculously increased vaccine doses manufactured 100x, and had plans in place to get those doses in the arms of 100 million individuals. The vaccines began reaching the states 6 weeks ago.
I have criticized the lack of effort post vaccine development. Exhaust all resources period. There did not seem to be that approach before and now there seems to be. There are also scientists and doctors answering questions, not politicians. Both things are very positive developments.
Post vaccine levels ? You are talking about 6-8 weeks and most stories have been debunked about how much information was shared between the in and out going administrations. Now we are facing another big issue . Job losses and the stock market bubble all can have a severe negative impact on this going forward. Hope I’m wrong.
Wow! A kumbaya moment. Life is good again. Now we all just need to have drink together.
I think we can find common ground here. The media has not shone throughout this, as some outlets just wanted to hammer Trump no matter what and others wanted to give him a pass on everything - but I submit to you that if Trump had handled this like Biden is so far, he would have been re-elected easily, since he would've gotten a pass on all the deaths and illnesses (which could have been substantially less, but certainly not near zero, unless we did what China/NZ did, which wouldn't fly here) if he had truly made a good faith effort to follow the science, but he didn't.
As said in the summer by those paying attention Cuomo was underreporting nursing home deaths by possibly 50%
I saw this on CNBC. Clearly not a shock and wouldn't be surprised if that number is higher than 50%.
Please refer to Andrew Cuomo by his proper title “ Emmy Award Winner “ The possibility that double the 8,700 deaths to 16 k + in nursing homes. NY Attorney General Letitia James is claiming after 8-9 months and after all his phony bluster and self righteous lamenting on daily tv. Must be the NY drinking water ?
Make that 4 "B" Build Back Better Bull$hit. For months Biden trashed every move made on COVID, and he had all the answers from the cheap seats. Now he says the process was worse off than he thought, yea-OOOOOOK
He cried and got the hospital ship, ventilators out the as$ the Javits Center anything he wanted. All he did with that is kill more people than any other state.
N.Y. Severely Undercounted Virus Deaths in Nursing Homes, Report Says (Published 2021)
The state attorney general, Letitia James, said it’s likely that the Cuomo administration failed to report thousands of Covid-19 deaths of nursing home residents.
Must be nice to have money and get vaccinated before the people that deserve it more. People on here should listen to Bill Spadea. He is not into putting fear in people just facts. Very nice to hear someone tell the truth about this.
NJ hospital gave vaccine to wealthy donors, ineligible relatives in December
Weeks before the state began opening eligibility to the general public, a hospital in Hunterdon County was handing out the coveted COVID-19 vaccine to deep-pocketed donors and the relatives of its executives.nj1015.com
LOL
NJ 101.5?
If every lie they told about RU Athletics alone was posted it would crash the site.
N.Y. Severely Undercounted Virus Deaths in Nursing Homes, Report Says (Published 2021)
The state attorney general, Letitia James, said it’s likely that the Cuomo administration failed to report thousands of Covid-19 deaths of nursing home residents.www.nytimes.com
The media is so biased that the NYT app sent me an alert that the NY AG from the same party as Cuomo came out and said this...
Or could just be they're reporting things that are actually happening instead of wishcasting and the NY AG is acting as an independent check which is her job...
It's so great! King Joe may have had the greatest first week as leader of our country in history. I can't wait to see how he and our new leaders in Congress lead our country to greatness. Every time he issues a wonderful, bigly executive order it's another BOOM!
Great time to be a real American!
It's just great to finally have a real president...with a real team and a real plan.
"Every move" ? Lyin' Donnie's "moves" were limited to swaying to Macho Man, working on his putz, and misleading the American people.
And finally, having his fan boys try to destroy Congress and the democracy.
Lock Him Up.
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Time to move this thread to CE board or close it.. TDS has taken over sadly
If you listen to mumble mouth Biden, he often says "blow back better" lol.
Good news on the mRNA vaccine anaphylaxis rates: now that we've had millions vaccinated, the rate has leveled out a lower rate than was initially seen, as rates have dropped from about 10 per 1MM to 2-5 per 1MM, which is only a little bit higher than the 1-2 per 1MM we see for the influenza vaccine.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infect..._012821&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Daily_News_Update
Tom Shimabukuro, MD, of the CDC, presented data showing that rates of anaphylaxis "have come down substantially" for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine compared with initially reported data. CDC data in early January found a rate of 11.1 per million doses administered, while the most recent data as of January 18 found the rate was 5.0 per million.
Rates of anaphylaxis for the Moderna vaccine remained "comparable," at 2.8 per million, compared with 2.5 per million from CDC data last week.
There are counterarguments to be made, but they've been made a dozen times and won't help this thread at all. It's fine to make points about aspects of the COVID response that weren't handled well (too many to count), but the "killing" talk is counterproductive, IMO.
I know you're just giving a bit of payback here, but if you don't mind, try to keep such comments to the CE board or other threads, as this one is teetering on being locked down or moved. Also I'd say the "King Joe" stuff looks just as childish as the King Trump stuff did the last four years and stooping isn't the way to go. IMO, of course. Thanks.
I'd make a similar appeal to several other folks in the thread on both sides. There's so many more places to argue the politics of COVID. And I was guilty of it a bit too recently, which is why I'm back to scientific posts. Thanks in advance for at least listening.
Not my style. I’ll leave that to u libs with your cancel culture
Novavax vaccine appears to be 89% effective against the variant found in the UK, but less effective against the variant from South Africa (both of which have now been found in the US).
Novavax Results
Novavax Results
Some Novavax results in.
Good news.....P3 UK trial showed 89% efficacy. That includes the new UK variant.
Not so good news. Data from a P2 trial in South Africa only showed 60% efficacy. 49% if you include people in the trial that are HIV+. But that is based on very limited data, so it’s really hard to draw conclusions. Also doesn’t tell you if it protects against severe disease.
The SA variant is going to be a problem. Expect J&J data from their SA trial to not be too good.
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Good news.....P3 UK trial showed 89% efficacy. That includes the new UK variant.
Not so good news. Data from a P2 trial in South Africa only showed 60% efficacy. 49% if you include people in the trial that are HIV+. But that is based on very limited data, so it’s really hard to draw conclusions. Also doesn’t tell you if it protects against severe disease.
The SA variant is going to be a problem. Expect J&J data from their SA trial to not be too good.
Novavax says Covid vaccine is more than 89% effective
The results were based on 62 confirmed Covid-19 infections among the trial's 15,000 participants.
Some Novavax results in.
Good news.....P3 UK trial showed 89% efficacy. That includes the new UK variant.
Not so good news. Data from a P2 trial in South Africa only showed 60% efficacy. 49% if you include people in the trial that are HIV+. But that is based on very limited data, so it’s really hard to draw conclusions. Also doesn’t tell you if it protects against severe disease.
The SA variant is going to be a problem. Expect J&J data from their SA trial to not be too good.
Novavax says Covid vaccine is more than 89% effective
The results were based on 62 confirmed Covid-19 infections among the trial's 15,000 participants.
Considering the annual flu shot is just 67% effective (2012 data via google), is 60 really that bad?
Not really, especially if it limits severe disease. If the worst you get is a little cold, then who cares?
I didn’t mean a problem as in we’re going to need to start all over again. Just think efficacy will take a little hit in some vaccines and we’ll probably be getting boosters in the fall.
Don’t forget 60% was the benchmark for vaccine success many months ago
Some Novavax results in.
Good news.....P3 UK trial showed 89% efficacy. That includes the new UK variant.
Not so good news. Data from a P2 trial in South Africa only showed 60% efficacy. 49% if you include people in the trial that are HIV+. But that is based on very limited data, so it’s really hard to draw conclusions. Also doesn’t tell you if it protects against severe disease.
The SA variant is going to be a problem. Expect J&J data from their SA trial to not be too good.
Novavax says Covid vaccine is more than 89% effective
The results were based on 62 confirmed Covid-19 infections among the trial's 15,000 participants.
The Times artice on Novavax's recombinant SARS-CoV-2 protein vaccine (delivered with an adjuvant to enhance uptake in the body) is excellent. Goes into great detail on the ~90% efficacy (in preventing symptomatic COVID, post 2nd shot, like the mRNA vaccines) of the phase III trials (15,000 patients) in the UK, as well as the vaccine being just about as good against the UK variant, but as you noted, the efficacy in the much smaller (4400 patients) South African trial was about 50% in all patients and 60% in non-HIV patients, indicating that the SA variant was likely able to "escape" prevention by the vaccine. However, as far as I can tell, there were no serious infections in vaccinated people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/health/covid-vaccine-novavax-south-africa.html
As I posted on the other day, both Moderna and Pfizer are already proactively updating their mRNA vaccines to be able to deal with the UK/SA and Brazilian variants if needed, presumably via a 3rd booster shot for those who are vaccinated and by including the new mRNA snippets in the baseline vaccine for future recipients (so 2 doses would still be enough) - although Pfizer and Moderna still expect their vaccines to be similarly effective against these variants, based on lab studies (but this isn't the same as repeating clinical trials). The article also speculates that J&J's delay in sharing results from the clinical trials may be due to less effectiveness in a South African trial. Results are now expected early next week.
The announcement from Novavax raises the stakes for Johnson & Johnson. The company was expected to announce its results as early as last weekend, and the delay has triggered speculation among scientists that the firm has also discovered that its vaccine worked less well in South African trial volunteers who were infected with the variant. In an earnings call on Tuesday, Alex Gorsky, the chief executive officer of the company, said they were looking forward to sharing results from their late-stage trial by early next week.
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JJ 66% effective 85% against severe disease and 100% against hospitalization
www.cnn.com
Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is 66% effective in global trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, company says | CNN
Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 single-shot vaccine was shown to be 66% effective in preventing moderate and severe disease in a global Phase 3 trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, the company announced Friday.
Good numbers?JJ 66% effective 85% against severe disease and 100% against hospitalization
Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is 66% effective in global trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, company says | CNN
Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 single-shot vaccine was shown to be 66% effective in preventing moderate and severe disease in a global Phase 3 trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, the company announced Friday.
Probably good numbers for the general population and at risk but not wonderful news IMO.
Do you think the FDA will approve this one based on UK data or are they gonna wait until the US trial is over?
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