I just think it'd be fun to pull off the roof and doors and drive up curbs and shit. Do something different while I wait on the P cars. I dunno. Thinking about it.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Pre-trading it was part of securing the GT3 build allocation. Seems they sold it almost instantly. I'd put 40K on it in 4 years but kept it in perfect condition. Somebody got a great car - miss it every day.
I really wanted to keep it, and the dealer was willing to work out the GT3 allocation a different way that I ultimately rejected. But I wouldn't have the garage space once the new cars arrive anyway.
It’s way bigger than I thought especially with the Sasquatch lift package and fat tires. I pull up next to a Wrangler or most SUVs and it’s not even close. I got it as a fun car that will eventually end up with my son. One of my better purchases. They apparently hold their value extremely well.
Elon Musk reportedly gave the order himself for the displays in Teslas to present overly optimistic estimates of driving range
Tesla intentionally exaggerated the driving range for its electric cars, Reuters reported, and Elon Musk was reportedly personally involved.
anyone surprised by this? Same guy that shows the MSRP AFTER tax incentives and cost savings.
He is no doubt successful, but he make a lot of questionable decisions.
Elon Musk reportedly gave the order himself for the displays in Teslas to present overly optimistic estimates of driving range
Tesla intentionally exaggerated the driving range for its electric cars, Reuters reported, and Elon Musk was reportedly personally involved.www.yahoo.com
anyone surprised by this? Same guy that shows the MSRP AFTER tax incentives and cost savings.
Here's a great example. Giving up the Twitter brand, to rebrand as X. Did he seek legal advice? Likely not. From a trademark attorney.
One of his former Twitter employees. This is not sour grapes, but an honest assessment of how he works. Mercurial sounds about right, but she admits he has the financial bandwidth to make mistakes and then hopefully correct.
I give Musk a hard time for some stuff. But I am self-honest and self-aware enough to think there’s a good chance that, if I had his wealth, I’d eventually develop a bit too much faith in my infallibility for my own good, as he has clearly done.
Having $200B+ as a cushion can promote a lot of overconfidence.
Trying? It's done. But agreed. I know trademarks. A lot of valuable trademarks (expensive to obtain, protect and maintain) and goodwill flushed down the toilet to adopt a whimsical letter that will be difficult to protect.
Not unlike some design choices made on Teslas, but as discussed here at length, Tesla fans seem to love almost anything Elon does, while for others, many are non-starters (e.g., the yoke and the cybertruck design).
I say “trying” because nobody will actually call it X. Everyone will still call them tweets and Twitter.
And why create instability when Threads is breathing down your neck??
Guy needs to get his Asperger’s in check
Threads? That putz who owns Meta? Are you a sucker for Zucker? Bwa ha ha ha ha. Every product he has- Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp is hot garbage.
The woman's Tweet was a good read - insightful on the goings-on at X.
I thought she was even-keeled and objective. Of course, it is just her opinion of the boss, and everyone has their own opinion. Personally, not a fan of nose rings in a professional setting, but I'm old and screaming at kids to get off my lawn all day.
Customer (one of many who are unaware of the difference between rated and real world range) requests service apt for possible battery range issue.Elon Musk reportedly gave the order himself for the displays in Teslas to present overly optimistic estimates of driving range
Tesla intentionally exaggerated the driving range for its electric cars, Reuters reported, and Elon Musk was reportedly personally involved.
anyone surprised by this? Same guy that shows the MSRP AFTER tax incentives and cost savings.
Tesla performs a remote diagnostic test on the battery and determines the battery is fine.
Tesla cancels service apt to avoid wasting the time of the customer and the service dept.
The subject of the Reuters article says, "After doing more research into range estimates, he ultimately concluded there is nothing wrong with the car. I love my Tesla, but I have tempered my expectations for what it can do in certain conditions".
Scandalous!
Furthermore, the EPA, not Tesla, performs the range tests of all EVs. That's why it's called "EPA rated range". And for good measure, Tesla gives a ~15 mile safety buffer after the battery reads 0%.
Once again, you fall victim to clickbait FUD.
Isn't it sad that an anonymous poster has to set the record straight on the garbage mainstream media publishes?
Damn you, I never knew about the 15 mile buffer. I assumed it was there but never looked it up. I’ve never gotten that low, but now I will risk it if needed
Read the article. Testing showed that the buffer wasn't consistently working. Or don't, but then keep a gallon of drinking water in your car if driving through the desert.
The complaints were not about EPA range. It was the estimated range the car was showing. I’m glad Tesla determined that the battery is fine but doesn’t explain the over estimated range. Part of the over promise and under deliver culture.
F continues to S the bed on EVs. Hybrids? LOL.
www.cnbc.com
As Ford loses billions on EVs, the company embraces hybrids
Ford's hybrid hype runs counter to recent messaging from the Detroit automakers, which have touted the performance and popularity of all-electric favorites.
Demand is slowing for EVs. The limited range is pushing people to buy hybrids. I have 2 EVs and my next car will be an ICE or hybrid.F continues to S the bed on EVs. Hybrids? LOL.
As Ford loses billions on EVs, the company embraces hybrids
Ford's hybrid hype runs counter to recent messaging from the Detroit automakers, which have touted the performance and popularity of all-electric favorites.
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Which is what the EPA publishes (not Tesla) when comparing to real world range. I know you really want this to be some huge scandal, where Tesla makes up some arbitrary range numbers and slaps it on the sticker, but it's not. The range estimate you see on every vehicle comes from the EPA. The same it true of ICE and mpg. The fact that some owners aren't aware of the factors that affect range or mpg is on them. Who are these morons? Frankly, the story sounds made up. I can't imagine someone being so clueless. Factors that affect range are clearly stated in the owners manual and there are thousands of articles and videos online about the topic.
From my own personal experience (4 years)with my Model 3, all driving done under 70 mph exceeds the rated range. The exception to that is winter driving with the cabin heat on. In that instance, I experience anywhere between 10-30%range loss depending on outside temp and fan speed. *My Model 3 has induction heat, rather than the newer, more efficient heat pump*. Seat heater only will again, exceed rated range. Summer driving with AC puts me a few % above or below rated range, again, depending on outside temp and fan speed.
I've driven this car for 4 years, and went above my budget for what I would normally pay for a car. If I was experiencing a 50% range loss, like some of these bullshit articles suggest, I would no longer be a Tesla owner. I could have sold it 2 years ago when used Tesla prices were off the charts. There's a reason I didn't. My Model 3 has exceeded my expectations.
Hybrid sales are declining.
Buy a better EV.
This advice doesn't match your previous post.
"Under 70 mph" "Not in winter"
Never said I always drive under 70, but when I do, my vehicle exceeds the rated range. I take full advantage of the fun driving an EV brings.
The laws of physics are a bitch. Drag is proportional to speed^2. Maybe you live in an alternate universe.
**Not in winter with the cabin heat on**
And, like I said, my 2019 has induction heat. All Tesla's now have a heat pump as standard.
https://electrek.co/2020/12/03/tesla-model-3-heat-pump-comparison-results/
Other OEMs are charging extra for a heat pump. Those complaining about the efficiency of their EV should have done some research first.
First it was "the supply chain" narrative.
Now, the "EV demand is declining" narrative is the latest line of bullshit legacy auto is pushing.
If legacy auto could build affordable, compelling EVs, buyers would flock to them. So far, they're failing. Easier to make excuses to keep shareholders happy and executives employed. Kick the EV can down the road some more, secretly disparage them, and pray they magically go away.
Clearly you missed the point. You dont need those caveats with a hybridor ICE because they don't matter.
My cabin heat is always on during winter. I always drive well over 70 mph on highway trips. No asterisk necessary.
Uh… so what?
And isn’t a hybrid being driven in electric-only mode a zero emission vehicle?
Article raises a good point - acoustic treatment in EVs may need to evolve a bit, to cover up irritating noises previously masked by combustion engine and exhaust sounds. Maybe more sound deadening for the passenger compartment and some new suspension tech to insulate tire noise?
www.caranddriver.com
I would be pretty disappointed to spend $2M on a hypercar just to discover that, instead of the growl of a well tuned exhaust, I’m left just hearing irritating whirs and tire, suspension and wind noise. But I guess we can get used to anything.
Electric Vehicles Are Noisy in Different Ways, and That's the Engineering Challenge
When the sound of the engine isn't dominating, you start to hear a lot of little rumbles and hums you never noticed before, and that's the engineering challenge.
I would be pretty disappointed to spend $2M on a hypercar just to discover that, instead of the growl of a well tuned exhaust, I’m left just hearing irritating whirs and tire, suspension and wind noise. But I guess we can get used to anything.
Which of these upcoming EVs would you want the most? Lot’s of interesting styles. If I ignore range and likely reliability, I‘m torn between the Lotus Eletre and the Kia EV9.
www.caranddriver.com
Future EVs: Every Electric Vehicle Coming Soon
These EVs are in various stages from concept to production, and perhaps a few may never see the light of day.
This article would appear to not justify the aggressive defense of Tesla range estimates we saw a bit earlier in the thread. C&D’s testing showed Tesla’s models to be among the biggest liars when it comes to range.
www.caranddriver.com
Tested: How EPA EV Range Figures Compare with Reality
In our real-world highway testing, we're seeing big differences in the relative performance of EVs versus gas-powered vehicles. What gives?
F continues to S the bed on EVs. Hybrids? LOL.
As Ford loses billions on EVs, the company embraces hybrids
Ford's hybrid hype runs counter to recent messaging from the Detroit automakers, which have touted the performance and popularity of all-electric favorites.
"Ford said the higher loss projection for Ford Model e reflected “the pricing environment, disciplined investments in new products and capacity, and other costs.” Ford also now expects to reach a 600,000-unit EV production run rate during 2024, instead of the end of this year, on the way to achieving a 2 million annual run rate....Ford plans to make 2 million electric cars every year by 2025. That would be impressive considering that Ford only sold 61,575 of them in 2022. It sold 3,624 electric vehicles in Feb 2023.”
Ford earnings: Automaker beats and boosts guidance, but sees more losses in EV unit
Ford stock is higher after hours after the automaker reported strong second quarter earnings and also upped its full-year profit forecast, though it did project steeper annual losses in its EV division.
Personally I can't rationalize pushing EVs when the grid is so conspicuously janky and no passion to fix .
We have storms with extended power loss and Con Ed complains they need spare parts not made since the 70s.
There are also increased warnings about vulnerabiloity to hacking
China gets US investment firms to push ESG and EVs and then CCP can just kill the juice.
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While I think it’ll take longer than evangelists think, and I‘m pretty sure government mandates will be pushed back, we’re transitioning to EVs and, so far at least, not much is happening that will halt that transition.
Like it or not, good idea or not, something way bigger than paranoia over hacking attacks will have to occur to stop it at this point.
Standard ranges of 500+ miles aren't happening.
Most EV makers are shifting battery chemistry to predominantly LFP (lithium, iron, phosphate) which has a lower energy density vs nickel based cells. Cost, more abundant supply, & scalability.
You'll see a new clickbait article every week about some battery breakthrough, but doing something in a lab vs producing 100 GWh/year profitably are worlds apart. Solid state batteries are the perfect example.
Still wrong.
And now articles about scientific breakthroughs are clickbait? Weird angle.
