Boat is too small for an ozone generator. I am infrequently in the cabin of my boat. I might feel differently if it was my attic or basement and I was breathing it constantly. but as you saw from my post, mold has no effect on me.
OT: Just found out home we are in contract with has mold
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Boat is too small for an ozone generator. I am infrequently in the cabin of my boat. I might feel differently if it was my attic or basement and I was breathing it constantly. but as you saw from my post, mold has no effect on me.
here is the problem with RaRa's argument. If someone drops a deuce in the living room int not going to kill you, but it makes your house smell like crap. Just like mold.
Mold would be like if someone covers your walls in said deuce and you are going to refuse to clean it and hope for the best.
Asbestos is overrated...you know, besides it causing a type of cancer that never existed before.
What a moronic response.
What a moronic response.
The small cabin of my boat is loaded with black mold. Can't get rid of it, no matter how much bleach I throw at it. Everything I put in there gets a covering of black mold. I have spent a fair amount of time in the cabin repairing various items, and trying to clean the mold. To this day, I have suffered no ill effects.
Go buy a six shooter put one bullet in it and spin the cylinder point it at you kid's head and pull the trigger..... is it worth the 1 in 6 chance your child may be sensitive to the mold????
No I did not think so RUN U DUMB ARSE RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN. Few people it bothers but early exposure may compound your child's sensitivity you want that chance as well
You know, due to people inhaling day and night for two or three decades straight. Imagine that causing a new type of problem we've never seen before. Not sure to whom your "moronic" invective was directed, but since I started the asbestos talk ITT I'll assume it was me, so pay closer attention: mine wasn't an argument against not buying the house--read my posts, including the first one, and you'll see quite the contrary. People aren't readily dislodged of their fears, but it can be mitigated a bit with some knowledge.
Asbestos has long-chain fibers that the lungs can't expel readily, which was unknown at the time it was being mass-produced by factory workers. Decades later the problems manifested and they figured it out. It isn't a problem being in an environment with asbestos--it isn't radioactive. The problem arises if it becomes airborne. It is a perfectly acceptable remediation (and makes a house sellable) for one to simply put tape around pipes, for instance, that are insulated with asbestos in order to prevent the asbestos fibers from becoming airborne. You think the typical American knows this? I'll bet you had no clue that this is how it works, which would make you like 99% of other Americans. Consider yourself a better-educated Rutgers fan now and not a follower of the evening news and 1-800-Lawyers commercials.
Cause-and-effect is a chain of reasoning that is much more linear when you take the emotion out of it, and is therefore much more rational.
Another comprehension fail. And, for the record, you didn't address the specifics of what I said, you merely brought in an faulty analogy that tugged at the emotions of a couple of others who have similar comprehension-failure issues. You simply didn't like the sound of me saying that asbestos and mold issues are more based in fear than they ought to be, which caused you to wrongly assume I was saying he should buy the house, despite me saying he shouldn't buy it because if you turn around to sell it, there is a reduced market for it.
Anyhoo, gotta run. Going to dinner a friend's house. Barbecuing outside before the rain comes. Got my metal-threaded kite, fireworks, and gasoline to light the grill with. Also gonna plan on being in the Blue Lot a few times this year, which is CRAZY.
CDC - Mold - General Information - Basic Facts
In 2004 the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found there was sufficient evidence to link indoor exposure to mold with upper respiratory tract symptoms, cough, and wheeze in otherwise healthy people; with asthma symptoms in people with asthma; and with hypersensitivity pneumonitis in individuals susceptible to that immune-mediated condition. The IOM also found limited or suggestive evidence linking indoor mold exposure and respiratory illness in otherwise healthy children.
http://www.cdc.gov/mold/faqs.htm
Asbestos Exposure and Cancer Risk Fact Sheet - National Cancer Institute
Although it is clear that the health risks from asbestos exposure increase with heavier exposure and longer exposure time, investigators have found asbestos-related diseases in individuals with only brief exposures. Generally, those who develop asbestos-related diseases show no signs of illness for a long time after their first exposure. It can take from 10 to 40 years or more for symptoms of an asbestos-related condition to appear (2).
http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/asbestos/asbestos-fact-sheet
In 2004 the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found there was sufficient evidence to link indoor exposure to mold with upper respiratory tract symptoms, cough, and wheeze in otherwise healthy people; with asthma symptoms in people with asthma; and with hypersensitivity pneumonitis in individuals susceptible to that immune-mediated condition. The IOM also found limited or suggestive evidence linking indoor mold exposure and respiratory illness in otherwise healthy children.
http://www.cdc.gov/mold/faqs.htm
Asbestos Exposure and Cancer Risk Fact Sheet - National Cancer Institute
Although it is clear that the health risks from asbestos exposure increase with heavier exposure and longer exposure time, investigators have found asbestos-related diseases in individuals with only brief exposures. Generally, those who develop asbestos-related diseases show no signs of illness for a long time after their first exposure. It can take from 10 to 40 years or more for symptoms of an asbestos-related condition to appear (2).
http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/asbestos/asbestos-fact-sheet
I fully comprehended your perceived issue vs. real issue argument. Mold smells. That makes it a real issue. Unfortunately you focused on the health argument and skipped the fact that it's pretty hard to sell a house that smells like shit, whether the mold is a health risk or not.
I'll bet you didn't know that my grandfather, 2 of his brothers, my uncle and my GRANDMOTHER all died of mesothelioma. And I can assure you that my grandmother wasn't a "factory worker" making asbestos ceiling tiles, you f@cking twit. When I need you to explain something to me, you'll be the first to know. Asbestos related deaths are as low as they are, despite the proliferation of the stuff, EXACTLY BECAUSE of the caution that was taken when it was found to be a cancer causing material. My grandmother died as a result of washing my grandfather's work clothes for 20 years and inhaling the residual dust. So, about 1 hour of exposure a week, over the course of 20+ years, was enough to kill her.
Hudson,
Let me start by saying I feel terrible about the illnesses that took your relatives. They were all effed over by the employers that allowed the exposure to the materials that caused their deaths. All of the attention and education surrounding asbestos has been great for those who work with dangerous stuff every day and I agree with you there. We lost a good friend of my parents to exposure. He was an insulator that worked fireproofing steel beams. Worked on the original WTC.
That said, the situation with your grandmother was basically a second hand smoke deal. Your grandfather and uncles brought home the fibers every day and contaminated the entire house with it. Every time grandma swept, dusted, vacuumed etc. she was exposed. not just the laundry. A simple hug and kiss when grandpa got home exposed her. Your situation is the exception and not the rule. RaRa is correct that 99% of the population is at no risk whatsoever from either asbestos or mold unless they have some other aggravating factor.
I work safely around both on a regular basis. There is mold everywhere in the environment and has been since the beginning of time. I AM NOT saying to live in a house filled with mold. I am saying not to believe the fear mongors who stand to profit from the hype.
The "mold is the new asbestos" comment is spot on. Much $ to be made by those fanning the flames of fear. Had the opportunity to get in on a venture that centered on assessment and remediation work. I turned it down because I will not be part of stealing people's $. That's just not who I am.
As far as the OP. If you have any reservations whatsoever about the house, don't buy it. There are many more out there and your peace of mind is more important than any house.
Other posters,
Don't bother flaming me if you don't like what I say. We can just agree to disagree right from go. I'm just adding what I think is good information and my personal experience. Everyone can decide for themselves what they choose to believe.
If OP has a buyer's agent...a good agent will never let you buy a house that they can't sell (at a good price).
Irregardless if one gets ill after years living in a house with severe mold inside and/or even on outside walls...its hard to ever sell that home vs comparable homes in the same general area that do not have an outbreak of mold.
Economically speaking...stay away from a house with severe mold.
Irregardless if one gets ill after years living in a house with severe mold inside and/or even on outside walls...its hard to ever sell that home vs comparable homes in the same general area that do not have an outbreak of mold.
Economically speaking...stay away from a house with severe mold.
My only bone of contention was the "mold is the new asbestos" comment. It's dumb. Asbestos exposure killed tens of thousands of people with a horrible form of cancer that never existed prior to it's proliferation. Comparing asbestos abatement procedures--essentially cordoned off areas and workers in full haz-mat suits and decontamination showers, with the average mold abatement contractor ripping out some sheetrock, replacing said sheetrock and throwing a coat of paint on it, is also dumb at epic levels.
And I'll never be convinced that my initial post in the thread is wrong. A house with mold issues--ESPECIALLY in the basement--is a house that should be avoided. It's one thing if you already own the house and need to rehab it to live in it. But to knowingly purchase a home with a documented mold issue? You have to be out of your skull. And we don't even have to get into the whether or not continuous mold exposure affects people's respiratory function regardless of whether they have a documented "allergy" or not--cause it does. Infants, newborns, the elderly will all experience decreased respiratory function as a result of extended exposure to mold-- allergy or not. So, more epic silliness with that line of thought. Extended mold exposure has also been linked to the onset of asthma in individuals who never exhibited asthmatic symptoms. For a house? I'll pass...
And I'll never be convinced that my initial post in the thread is wrong. A house with mold issues--ESPECIALLY in the basement--is a house that should be avoided. It's one thing if you already own the house and need to rehab it to live in it. But to knowingly purchase a home with a documented mold issue? You have to be out of your skull. And we don't even have to get into the whether or not continuous mold exposure affects people's respiratory function regardless of whether they have a documented "allergy" or not--cause it does. Infants, newborns, the elderly will all experience decreased respiratory function as a result of extended exposure to mold-- allergy or not. So, more epic silliness with that line of thought. Extended mold exposure has also been linked to the onset of asthma in individuals who never exhibited asthmatic symptoms. For a house? I'll pass...
Hudson,
My agreement with "mold is the new asbestos" is in the context of the opportunists making $ off of the fear of it.
The harm caused to people by asbestos exposure is night and day worse than mold. I never intended to diminish the harm done to thousands of people. I saw it first hand.
If I came off sounding that way it was not my intent. I also agreed with you about the OP not buying the "mold" house. You can't un ring that bell from a disclosure standpoint and if he's got any reservation whatsoever he should walk.
My agreement with "mold is the new asbestos" is in the context of the opportunists making $ off of the fear of it.
The harm caused to people by asbestos exposure is night and day worse than mold. I never intended to diminish the harm done to thousands of people. I saw it first hand.
If I came off sounding that way it was not my intent. I also agreed with you about the OP not buying the "mold" house. You can't un ring that bell from a disclosure standpoint and if he's got any reservation whatsoever he should walk.
Not flaming and everyone has the right to their own opinion without being attacked.
But more than 1% of the population was and is at risk of an asbestos linked illness.
Teachers. students and maintenance workers at schools that had asbestos in they schools they spent time in every day
were subject to asbestos linked illness every time maintenance work was done in their school that allowed asbestos to get into the air they breathed or when the asbestos started deteriorating and its dust entered the air they all breathed.
Asbestos in Schools - Exposure Risks, Regulations & Policies
http://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/schools.php
As for mold, I'll go by the old saying: "Better safe than sorry" and not claim mold is as dangerous as asbestos, but looked at as it's bad enough on its own as a health problem .
We must understand for some it is a major health problem and that shouldn't be discounted when you're looking at a home with a mold problem, even if you're not affect by mold, someone you know might be.
Even if the mold problem is taken care of, why take the chance of buying a house that had one, if you're not locked into buying it.
I totally agree with :>If you have any reservations whatsoever about the house, don't buy it. There are many more out there and your peace of mind is more important than any house."<
not sure comparing it to asbestos was the smartest move in the world, if you're wanting to downplay the harm in mold.
that's like someone wanting to promote legalized pot by comparing it with crack or heroin.
There isn't much to debate - why would you spend / invest that much money on / in something that's known to create potentially serious issues? Unless this is an atypical situation - where your buying the property, destroying the house, rebuilding, and looking to sell because of wierd economics - there's no reason to buy.
Would you buy a used car that had its entire engine replaced? Yeah, the seller "fixed" the original problem, but why not just buy a better car?
Would you buy a used car that had its entire engine replaced? Yeah, the seller "fixed" the original problem, but why not just buy a better car?
Agree with this completely...when we were moving back to NJ 11 years ago we looked at a number of houses and were fortunate to have a good buyers agent. If we entered a house that smelled like mold, had ANY visible water damage in the basement, etc. he had us turn around and not even bother looking....there were plenty of other houses out there without stepping into one that had potential and/or real problems right at the start.
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