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Just found out home we are in contract with tested positive for mold in the attic (ascospores and penicillium/aspergillus) because there is no ventilation. Mold has probably been there a very long time (on top of that carpenter ants have eaten the insulation). We also smell a mildew smell in the basement and are now thinking there is probably mold there too under the carpet and behind the wood panels. We have a 5 year old and are thinking of just walking away from the deal. Does anybody have experience with mold remediation and how costly and/or how successful its been?
 
Just found out home we are in contract with tested positive for mold in the attic (ascospores and penicillium/aspergillus) because there is no ventilation. Mold has probably been there a very long time (on top of that carpenter ants have eaten the insulation). We also smell a mildew smell in the basement and are now thinking there is probably mold there too under the carpet and behind the wood panels. We have a 5 year old and are thinking of just walking away from the deal. Does anybody have experience with mold remediation and how costly and/or how successful its been?
Run, don't walk away from this deal.
 
Yeah, thats a tough situation. Not only is there the problem of trying to remove the mold, but that also indicates a problem of water getting in somehow. The roof likely has a leak and would probably need to be addressed. So you are looking at that too. Add in the basement that also sounds to have water issues. That could be an ongoing issue that you would have to deal with. Generally any plaster or wood that has mold issues would likely have to be removed. Personally I would be hard pressed to make that investment....but I am no expert on this issue. Sounds like at a minimum, the current owner has a lot of work to address before I would even consider going forward.
 
Walk away. I am watching a local house that was purchased and inspector missed mold. House now stripped down to studs and they still can't pass inspection. You don't know how bad it is or if they ever will get it all.
 
Yeah, thats a tough situation. Not only is there the problem of trying to remove the mold, but that also indicates a problem of water getting in somehow. The roof likely has a leak and would probably need to be addressed. So you are looking at that too. Add in the basement that also sounds to have water issues. That could be an ongoing issue that you would have to deal with. Generally any plaster or wood that has mold issues would likely have to be removed. Personally I would be hard pressed to make that investment....but I am no expert on this issue. Sounds like at a minimum, the current owner has a lot of work to address before I would even consider going forward.

Thanks for the input - they just had their roof replaced last year, and we are thinking the mold is due to there being a lack of ventilation in the attic which can be remedied by soffit vents. The concern for us is the amount of time the mold has been there.
 
On the one I mentioned the cost of cleanup is now at 1 million dollars on a $2.5 million house. Then the people get to rebuild the house again from the studs up.

Don't assume where the mold might have come from and how it might be fixed. Just run.

Tough situation for owners.
 
Most people freak when they hear "mold," but nobody gave a crap about it until the EPA or CDC or whichever department is responsible for scaring people into creating new industries (to buoy employment numbers) made it an issue about 20 years ago. Unless you're allergic to it, it's not as big a deal as people say (mold is the new asbestos). The problem is, nobody will think about it in this way when you go to sell the house so you have to address it at the point of purchase. Some problems just aren't worth it, not because there's necessarily a real danger, but because of a perceived one.
 
Doubt you would be able to get a CO on a home if it has mold. No bank is going to give ou a mortgage on a house with a mold problem.
 
Did you have the house inspected? Mold is a lot bigger issue than it used to be and some of them are really pretty bad. Young children are at a much higher risk than adults and I just would not take any chances with your child. Inspectors should definitely be looking for mold now and if he missed it, you could have a lawsuit against him for the money you stand to lose.
Also, how is the contract you signed set up for you backing out? You have discovered a game changer here and I cannot imagine you being held accountable for this financially.
A lot of the mold problems are actually the result of the building industry really deciding to seal houses up like vaults. All those air leaks that cost home owners money in heating/AC costs got closed and that gave many molds the environment they like to flourish,
I agree with the others here, walk away!
 
Did you have the house inspected? Mold is a lot bigger issue than it used to be and some of them are really pretty bad. Young children are at a much higher risk than adults and I just would not take any chances with your child. Inspectors should definitely be looking for mold now and if he missed it, you could have a lawsuit against him for the money you stand to lose.
Also, how is the contract you signed set up for you backing out? You have discovered a game changer here and I cannot imagine you being held accountable for this financially.
A lot of the mold problems are actually the result of the building industry really deciding to seal houses up like vaults. All those air leaks that cost home owners money in heating/AC costs got closed and that gave many molds the environment they like to flourish,
I agree with the others here, walk away!

Yes - we had the house inspected and inspectors thought they saw mold, then asked if we wanted to take pay extra $ to test it (which we did). In the basement we don't know because we feel that the mold is behind baseboards or under the rugs which we can't move, and there is a mildew smell down there with dehumidifier constantly running. I'm looking over the contract and we have to check with our lawyer for clarification because the wording seems a bit ambiguous in terms of this. And totally agree with your heating/AC theory which probably led to the current mold problem.
 
Unless this is your dream house and no others in the area than walk away. I am in the construction business and like others have said you might have to gut the house before you get all the mold. I would bring in a few mold remediation specialist first to see how vast the problem is. They will give you a good idea of what you are looking at.
 
Unless this is your dream house and no others in the area than walk away. I am in the construction business and like others have said you might have to gut the house before you get all the mold. I would bring in a few mold remediation specialist first to see how vast the problem is. They will give you a good idea of what you are looking at.

Without knowing more than the little you have stated in your posts, I would definitely walk away provided your contract allows that and it sounds like the inspection was part of a contingency.

I have renovated probably 20 homes in the past five years for resale in the state of Florida and I would note there may be some differences from state to state.

I have cleaned up minor mold issues a couple of times. maybe I was lucky, but neither got out of control from a cost issue. However, in Florida, there is a disclosure which you must sign indicating known problems. This disclosure really extended the marketing time as buyer after buyer saw MOLD and walked away. If NJ is like Florida, you will have to disclose this when you sell the house.

Why did the current owners not install vents or when they replaced the roof?

Who knows where all there could be mold in the house. The real danger here is your family's health. They could all be getting sick and you might not realize it.

I would think if I were going to live there, I would have to get it at a price where I could afford to gut it and be confident I had a totally clean product.

However, I would think the seller would never agree to that offer.

This is one of the times where it is 4th and half yard on the fifty and you just need to punt instead of going for it.

Good luck..
 
Unless the sellers are going to give you a huge, huge pile of gold to compensate for what you will need to address - hit the 'dump' switch - get out of this situation.. You made a deal based upon the belief that the house was in acceptable condition - and it sounds like your contract supports the idea that the transaction is subject to / contingent upon a building inspection to verify that "general acceptability " prevails .... from what you discovered - it is clear that there are significant non-ignorable issues - and that the economic picture has now changed dramatically.
Now that all of these issues have been documented, this is somebody's BIG problem .... don't make it yours.
There is always another opportunity.
 
Since this was brought up, had my roof replaced 4 years ago and they closed off the vents at each end said having attic fan was sufficient, should I reopen them?
 
Second thought - if this is the most incredible piece of property that you have ever seen - and you are willing to go out on a limb to get this, you are now in a position to play ultra hardball - I'll leave the exact choreography of this dance to your lawyers & your Realtor - but, if the home inspection contingency is in effect - you can move toward the exit ... explaining the findings of the licensed home inspector .... and then provide the seller & their Realtor & their Attorney with a copy of the report - with a cover letter addressed to each of them stating the facts. This puts the ball in their court - they have been duly informed of a very significant issue with the property which they will have to now disclose to any and all future prospective buyers. They may become very very flexible .
As I said - the exact exact choreography of this dance is up to you, your lawyers & your Realtor.
 
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Since this was brought up, had my roof replaced 4 years ago and they closed off the vents at each end said having attic fan was sufficient, should I reopen them?

Have a roofing contractor take a look.

Modern houses have a "ridge" vent at the peak of the roof, with soffit vents. These vents cooperate as follows:
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The vents at the ends of your house were called gable vents. If your roofer added a ridge vent, you should be OK.

Here's and article on this subject:
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/design/qa/close-off-gable-vents.aspx

We had gable vents only in a house we own, and we had no issues. When we redid the roof, our roofer put in a ridge vent, soffit vents, and eliminated the gable vents.
 
run away.. aside from the mold, you will need to disclose in future sales

4 years ago, I put a bid on a house that was exterior stucco. My wife and kids loved this place, My real estate agent insisted i spend the out of pocket money (1,900 bucks) on a stucco inspection. I went to the inspection, guy drilled 3 times into the exerior with 1/8 drill bits, over 100 carpenter ants ran out in 2 minutes.
turns out there was 35% water damage and would have cost 130k to reface the whole house.

Our agent was able to get our deposit back without incident, so i refer to anyone i know in southeaastern PA.

The moral of my story --- no need to buy someone elses problems.
 
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Consider yourself fortunate that your inspector found it and walk away. There is no rational reason to buy a house with such a major existing issue. I had a coworker who bought a house after foundation problems were revealed, because his wife was enamored with the house. He regrets that decision today.
 
Most people freak when they hear "mold," but nobody gave a crap about it until the EPA or CDC or whichever department is responsible for scaring people into creating new industries (to buoy employment numbers) made it an issue about 20 years ago. Unless you're allergic to it, it's not as big a deal as people say (mold is the new asbestos). The problem is, nobody will think about it in this way when you go to sell the house so you have to address it at the point of purchase. Some problems just aren't worth it, not because there's necessarily a real danger, but because of a perceived one.

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Besides the already stated disclosure issues the OP will have if and when he ever goes to sell, you don't need to be "allergic" to mold to have respiratory issues if you're sleeping on top of a moldy basement 365 days a year. The dangers aren't "perceived." You're asbestos comment is also rather silly. Are the people who died of mesothelioma "allergic" to asbestos?

To the OP, the best piece of advice I ever received in the home shopping process was from my agent after missing out on our "dream house." He said, "buying a house is like waiting for a bus, there's always another one...just be patient."
 
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Besides the already stated disclosure issues the OP will have if and when he ever goes to sell, you don't need to be "allergic" to mold to have respiratory issues if you're sleeping on top of a moldy basement 365 days a year. The dangers aren't "perceived." You're asbestos comment is also rather silly. Are the people who died of mesothelioma "allergic" to asbestos?

To the OP, the best piece of advice I ever received in the home shopping process was from my agent after missing out on our "dream house." He said, "buying a house is like waiting for a bus, there's always another one...just be patient."
Many cases of mold are easily remedied. It is the sellers responsibility to mitigate the mold issue and only upon providing evidence of the complete removal of the mold should you complete the deal, The seller will also have to identify the root cause of the mold issue and install equipment to correct the issue permanently. We sold a house recently where the inspector found a small amount of mold in the attic near the gables. The cause was found to be a bathroom ventilation fan where the exhaust did not penetrate the roof, thus the humid and hot air from the bath was emptying directly into the attic. We contacted several mold mitigation companies and had bids ranging from $3000 to $25,000 to repair. We settled on a company who fixed the issue for around $10,000 and after providing evidence that the work had been done and the mold was removed, the buyer was happy and we closed on the home.
 
Many cases of mold are easily remedied. It is the sellers responsibility to mitigate the mold issue and only upon providing evidence of the complete removal of the mold should you complete the deal, The seller will also have to identify the root cause of the mold issue and install equipment to correct the issue permanently. We sold a house recently where the inspector found a small amount of mold in the attic near the gables. The cause was found to be a bathroom ventilation fan where the exhaust did not penetrate the roof, thus the humid and hot air from the bath was emptying directly into the attic. We contacted several mold mitigation companies and had bids ranging from $3000 to $25,000 to repair. We settled on a company who fixed the issue for around $10,000 and after providing evidence that the work had been done and the mold was removed, the buyer was happy and we closed on the home.

It's not a matter of whether the cases are easily remedied or not. Unless the OP is looking in a location with extremely limited inventory, there is no reason to get involved with such a deal. As was discussed previously, a moldy basement is a money pit. In addition to remediating the mold, you need to find and fix the water problem that is causing the mold in the first place. Before you know it, you're into $20k worth of excavation, drains, downspouts, foundation work, etc. Who would knowingly do that? And sellers are going to take the path of least resistance with fixing any of these issues--just like they patch and paint over ceiling cracks, as one example. 6 months later, you'r eon your couch watching TV and look up and see the San Andreas fault across your ceiling...their remediation was 8 bucks worth of joint compound an a coat of paint. It's the same thing with a moldy basement.
 
Yes - we had the house inspected and inspectors thought they saw mold, then asked if we wanted to take pay extra $ to test it (which we did). In the basement we don't know because we feel that the mold is behind baseboards or under the rugs which we can't move, and there is a mildew smell down there with dehumidifier constantly running. I'm looking over the contract and we have to check with our lawyer for clarification because the wording seems a bit ambiguous in terms of this. And totally agree with your heating/AC theory which probably led to the current mold problem.

If you are not spending 100% of your time to get out of this contract then you are not thinking wisely.

it almost (maybe its true) you care more about "winning bid/contract" than you consider that this home is a trash heap and a current/waiting disaster.

Believe you stated in your first post that the house had ZERO ventilation and obvious mold.

There shouldn't be any questions after that statement.
 
Like others have said, I'd run from this house. I was under contract on a house about 7 or 8 years ago & we noticed a ton of mold in the attic on the inspection & canceled the deal. It isn't worth it
 
I am a realtor and just had a deal where house had mold in attic and termites in garage. Owner is repsonsible for remediation. Cost like $1500 for each and there is a guarantee for at least a year on each. If you like the house have it remediated and go forward.
 
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Saint, I work in the mold world. If you have any further questions, give me a call. eight five six six eight 5 6 for four for.
 
I am a realtor and just had a deal where house had mold in attic and termites in garage. Owner is repsonsible for remediation. Cost like $1500 for each and there is a guarantee for at least a year on each. If you like the house have it remediated and go forward.

$1,500 to cure the water issues in the basement that are actually CAUSING the mold?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
 
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Besides the already stated disclosure issues the OP will have if and when he ever goes to sell, you don't need to be "allergic" to mold to have respiratory issues if you're sleeping on top of a moldy basement 365 days a year. The dangers aren't "perceived." You're asbestos comment is also rather silly. Are the people who died of mesothelioma "allergic" to asbestos?

To the OP, the best piece of advice I ever received in the home shopping process was from my agent after missing out on our "dream house." He said, "buying a house is like waiting for a bus, there's always another one...just be patient."
The people who died from asbestos were primarily those who inhaled it daily as a product of their careers. Inhale anything daily, such as baby powder, all day long over a period of 20 years, and you are likely to have issues with it. Asbestos isn't plutonium, but the fear-mongering has taken place and people think that merely being near it is a problem, which it isn't--inhaling it is the problem.

As for mold, some people are allergic to it, some people aren't. Some people have problems inhaling it, some people don't. Our culture has become a fear-based culture, where perception becomes reality. You know the anti-bacterial soap people use now due to the perception that bacteria is bad for you? Turns out that bacteria has beneficial qualities that are necessary for the environment, and removing the bacteria creates an overall negative effect in many environments. Our hands actually need some bacteria on them. Try convincing a mother of this once the idea is put in her head that bacteria is bad.

Do with the info what you will because I don't really care--there's conflicting information on all sides of these debates, but people all-too-often base the veracity of something on popular opinion which is frequently generated by the government. Health-wise, mold is a problem for some people but not many. Financially, mold is a problem for everyone except those in the business. And some of them will tell you that much of the mold remediation they do is bullshit. They go in with surgical suits on (think: Carl in Caddyshack cleaning out the pool), then take a bucket of watered-down bleach, scrub the walls and floors, and send a bill. We are a fear-based culture that has made it more difficult to ferret out the real dangers from the perceived--the perceived dangers are making huge strides in overtaking the real ones--so you might want to think more circumspectly before asserting something to be "silly."

Also, follow the money trail.
 
It would be normal to find airborne mold in any house, and the type you mention is common. A normal vented attic will exchange outside air that contains a certain amount of this mold. A good test should compare outdoor spore levels to indoor spore levels to indicate the problem level. Some people absolutely freak out at the word, but if every building with mold was torn down, there wouldn't be too many standing. The severe allergy type is far less common then what showed up in your test. Yes it can be a big problem, but a **reputable** abatement company may be able to fix the water source issue and cleanup for a reasonable amount. Sometimes a sealant that is confused with paint is used after surfaces are treated to kill the mold.
 
The people who died from asbestos were primarily those who inhaled it daily as a product of their careers. Inhale anything daily, such as baby powder, all day long over a period of 20 years, and you are likely to have issues with it. Asbestos isn't plutonium, but the fear-mongering has taken place and people think that merely being near it is a problem, which it isn't--inhaling it is the problem.

As for mold, some people are allergic to it, some people aren't. Some people have problems inhaling it, some people don't. Our culture has become a fear-based culture, where perception becomes reality. You know the anti-bacterial soap people use now due to the perception that bacteria is bad for you? Turns out that bacteria has beneficial qualities that are necessary for the environment, and removing the bacteria creates an overall negative effect in many environments. Our hands actually need some bacteria on them. Try convincing a mother of this once the idea is put in her head that bacteria is bad.

Do with the info what you will because I don't really care--there's conflicting information on all sides of these debates, but people all-too-often base the veracity of something on popular opinion which is frequently generated by the government. Health-wise, mold is a problem for some people but not many. Financially, mold is a problem for everyone except those in the business. And some of them will tell you that much of the mold remediation they do is bullshit. They go in with surgical suits on (think: Carl in Caddyshack cleaning out the pool), then take a bucket of watered-down bleach, scrub the walls and floors, and send a bill. We are a fear-based culture that has made it more difficult to ferret out the real dangers from the perceived--the perceived dangers are making huge strides in overtaking the real ones--so you might want to think more circumspectly before asserting something to be "silly."

Also, follow the money trail.

Kind of agree with RaRa. Mold is a natural phenomena and depending on type of mold & sensitivity of a person, may not cause any issues. Similar to peanuts & the phobia of it all - some folks are deadly allergic, but some are only mildly allergic, and if they had been exposed properly, wouldn't have an issue. As it is, we wind up trying to protect 100% of our populace and in the process make the whole a bit weaker.

Concerning the house, I probably would walk away. Besides the mitigation issue (which sometimes isn't enough to prevent re-occurrence anyway), there is the problem of trying to sell it down the line.
 
Kind of agree with RaRa. Mold is a natural phenomena and depending on type of mold & sensitivity of a person, may not cause any issues. Similar to peanuts & the phobia of it all - some folks are deadly allergic, but some are only mildly allergic, and if they had been exposed properly, wouldn't have an issue. As it is, we wind up trying to protect 100% of our populace and in the process make the whole a bit weaker.

Concerning the house, I probably would walk away. Besides the mitigation issue (which sometimes isn't enough to prevent re-occurrence anyway), there is the problem of trying to sell it down the line.

The small cabin of my boat is loaded with black mold. Can't get rid of it, no matter how much bleach I throw at it. Everything I put in there gets a covering of black mold. I have spent a fair amount of time in the cabin repairing various items, and trying to clean the mold. To this day, I have suffered no ill effects.
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The small cabin of my boat is loaded with black mold. Can't get rid of it, no matter how much bleach I throw at it. Everything I put in there gets a covering of black mold. I have spent a fair amount of time in the cabin repairing various items, and trying to clean the mold. To this day, I have suffered no ill effects.
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LOL.

Notice I said type of mold & sensitivity.

Heck, at least you don't have to buy any Rogaine [roll]
 
Walk away and don't look back.
Find a house you can start off worry free.
 
The small cabin of my boat is loaded with black mold. Can't get rid of it, no matter how much bleach I throw at it. Everything I put in there gets a covering of black mold. I have spent a fair amount of time in the cabin repairing various items, and trying to clean the mold. To this day, I have suffered no ill effects.
moldman.jpg
Have you tried an ozone generator?
 
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