I'm from the era before the 3 point shot. It wasn't a better game -- it was a more congested game in the lane. It was also a game in which it was more difficult for a losing team to come back,
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Capping the number of 3-point attempts per game is interesting. I'll have to think about it a little more.
My solution for all the crazy 3-point shooting in the NBA and college hoops:
In the NBA, allow 3-point attempts only in the first quarter and fourth quarter.
In college, allow 3-point attempts only in the first 10 minutes and last 10 minutes of the game.
Naturally, this would drastically lower the number of 3-pointers taken during the course of the game. More importantly, it would increase the necessity of excellent medium-range shooters (i.e., Mark Price) and big men muscling down low in the paint again.
I'd love to see the G-League and a couple lower D1 leagues experiment with these rules.
Why do you want "Big men muscling down low in the paint"?
Thought everyone agreed isolation plays with 1 guy dribbling while everyone else stands around was boring and terrible basketball.
Might as well watch Harden dribble around.
What does "mid range" mean?
If you want to see more 18ft shots instead of 24ft shots then move the 3pt line in. Make it a 4pt line.
Then you'll have all 18ft shots.
Not sure what the point is though.
Also, what makes you think players can't hit "mid range shots" now? Just because they don't shoot them?
Is the reason that people want to watch more baskets go in? Higher scoring?
That's opposite of most NBA critics - "where is the defense??"
Big men posting up is fine. Big men muscling down low in paint is a fix by using the rulebook.
I would be very curious to see a big sample of fans and their attitudes toward the game and the amount of 3 pointers taken.
I would be very curious to see a big sample of fans and their attitudes toward the game and the amount of 3 pointers taken.
I’m more annoyed that everyone coming off the screen takes 3-4 steps
Haliburton took 3 or 4 steps on several of his moves to get open. He did hit almost everyone yesterday , but I’m a lunatic , rewound game , recorded his feet during a commercial and I counted 3 for sure and possibly 4 steps
Dribbles down left side ,picks up dribble
Don’t know if you count the 1st step he takes but after that he takes 2 more steps forward and then steps back with right foot to get behind the 3 point line
Holy 💩. I just watched again it actually could be 5
Can I send video to anyone so they can post
I would love to hear what everyone else thinks.
Haliburton took 3 or 4 steps on several of his moves to get open. He did hit almost everyone yesterday , but I’m a lunatic , rewound game , recorded his feet during a commercial and I counted 3 for sure and possibly 4 steps
Dribbles down left side ,picks up dribble
Don’t know if you count the 1st step he takes but after that he takes 2 more steps forward and then steps back with right foot to get behind the 3 point line
Holy 💩. I just watched again it actually could be 5
Can I send video to anyone so they can post
I would love to hear what everyone else thinks.
I won't lie, I thought he traveled on every one of his non drives. Then I thought, we'll, they don't call travel anymore, but then they called Nebhard twice for it. I have no idea how he gets away with it. It's like a sideways double euro step.
A good shot isn't a good shot because it's closer, it's because of how open it is and who's taking it.
Personally I think defense is actually a lot more interesting when you have to cover the whole floor and guard multiple positions.
You arent covering the whole floor right now. You are defending the line and 5 feet betond it with your life. The rest of the floor not as much
But aren't you defending the entire area between the three-point line and the basket? So wouldn't the result of eliminating the three-point shot be to reduce the area of the floor that must be defended? I think that was @cm_13 's point.
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Cm….no doubt that NYK are doing a phenomenal job defensively. But they are defending a line 23 feet from the basket.
In the end it comes down to personal preference.
In the end it comes down to personal preference.
Just to amplify: in the old days, if you had a three-point lead with a few seconds to go, you would stop playing defense. You can't do that now.
With all the switching and the recent discovery of spacing, guarding multiple positions is a necessity. There are more players in the NBA capable of doing that now than there has ever been.
While i don't disagree that is barely enough of a reason why 3 point line was needed.
With today's athletes I would love to see a 20 game stretch or a quarter every game where there is no 3 point line.
Would the paint be jammed with players? maybe too much
Would the paint be jammed with players? maybe too much
If you read my prior e-mail -- the one I was responding to -- you will see that I gave an additional reason: that without the three point line, the lane is clogged. Now defenders must worry about a much larger area of the floor.
No one needs to care about the area 6-22 feet right now.
I think (don't know) that removing the 3 point line might actually take traffic out of the lane as there would be more offensive action 15 feet from the basket.
2023-24 45.2% of shots were taken from 0-10 feet from the basket AND 39.5% beyond 3 point line. So only 15.3% of shots were taken between 10 and 22 feet. There was a 44.6% success rate 10-16 feet and only 40.7% 16- 3pt line.
By effective rate
0-3 69.9%
3-10 45.2%
10-16 44.6%
16-3pt 40.7
3pt 54.9%
In the 1996-97 season before players solved the 3pt line and the 1st year stats by distance are available
0-10 45.3% attempts vs 45.2% this year
10-22 30.5% attempts vs 15.3% this year
3s 21.2% attempts vs 39.5% this year
By effective rate
0-3 69.9%
3-10 45.2%
10-16 44.6%
16-3pt 40.7
3pt 54.9%
In the 1996-97 season before players solved the 3pt line and the 1st year stats by distance are available
0-10 45.3% attempts vs 45.2% this year
10-22 30.5% attempts vs 15.3% this year
3s 21.2% attempts vs 39.5% this year
Found a solution.....
If the offense makes a basket they keep possession. That would put more emphasis on a higher percentage shot because although it would only get you 2 points you would retain possession.
If the offense makes a basket they keep possession. That would put more emphasis on a higher percentage shot because although it would only get you 2 points you would retain possession.
Also this year corner 3 was made at 39.3% or 59% eff
non corner 3 35.7% or eff 53.5%
not sure how much that goes higher if you eliminate heaves
non corner 3 35.7% or eff 53.5%
not sure how much that goes higher if you eliminate heaves
Go NY go NY go!
In the famous words of Ralph Kiner
Going going gone goodbye
But seriously not at all a fan, but kudos to that team for all of the moxie they played with being so outmanned and undersized.
In the famous words of Ralph Kiner
Going going gone goodbye
But seriously not at all a fan, but kudos to that team for all of the moxie they played with being so outmanned and undersized.
He "borrowed" that from Mel Allen of the Yankees who said "going going gone." But everyone knew Kiner was a lot better ballplayer than announcer, and so no one cared.
That life in the NBA these days. There's the Euro step and a true travel call requires 8 or more steps.
My favorite thing about this is Steph in the background pointing and complaining that he’s traveling.It made me think of Westbrook here
This resilient pacer team narrative bull$hit needs to stop
Bucks no Giannis or Dame
Knicks 4 injuries
Bucks no Giannis or Dame
Knicks 4 injuries
Really lost a great chance to be nba champs this year.
How the hell did that team make playoffs
How the hell did that team make playoffs
