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jtung230 said:
Who did ASU beat that was good? Plus they lost to TT and Cincy. IU didn’t have any signature wins but they didn’t lay eggs.
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Iowa State and BYU, and they crushed K-State, a team RU lost to. But I guess under your premise that the B12 sucks, that is not good.
Texas Tech was 8-4/6-3, not a terrible team.

Indiana's wins:
FIU (3-5/4-8) CUSA
W Illinois (4-8) FCS
UCLA (5-7/3-6) tied for 4th worst team in B1G
Charlotte (5-7/4-4) AAC
Maryland (4-8/1-8) 2nd worst team in B1G
NW (4-8/2-7) 3rd worst team in B1G
Nebraska (6-6/3-6) 6th worst team in B1G
Washington (6-6/4-5) middle of pack B1G team
Michigan State (5-7/3-6) tied for 4th worst team in B1G
Michigan (7-5/5-4)- Their signature win!
Ohio State (11-2/7-2) Blown out 38-15
Purdue- (1-11/0-9) Worst team in B1G
Notre Dame- crushed, if you don't count garbage time points.

They literally played all of the worst teams in the B1,G except Wisconsin, none with winning records.
Their OOC schedule was hilariously weak, with no P5 opponents.
When they played anybody good, they lost huge, and barely scraped by beating Michigan, who was playing with a scrub QB and barely beat MSU.
 
Knight Shift said:
Iowa State and BYU, and they crushed K-State, a team RU lost to. But I guess under your premise that the B12 sucks, that is not good.
Texas Tech was 8-4/6-3, not a terrible team.

Indiana's wins:
FIU (3-5/4-8) CUSA
W Illinois (4-8) FCS
UCLA (5-7/3-6) tied for 4th worst team in B1G
Charlotte (5-7/4-4) AAC
Maryland (4-8/1-8) 2nd worst team in B1G
NW (4-8/2-7) 3rd worst team in B1G
Nebraska (6-6/3-6) 6th worst team in B1G
Washington (6-6/4-5) middle of pack B1G team
Michigan State (5-7/3-6) tied for 4th worst team in B1G
Michigan (7-5/5-4)- Their signature win!
Ohio State (11-2/7-2) Blown out 38-15
Purdue- (1-11/0-9) Worst team in B1G
Notre Dame- crushed, if you don't count garbage time points.

They literally played all of the worst teams in the B1,G except Wisconsin, none with winning records.
Their OOC schedule was hilariously weak, with no P5 opponents.
When they played anybody good, they lost huge, and barely scraped by beating Michigan, who was playing with a scrub QB and barely beat MSU.
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I just don’t subscribed to the SEC argument that only good wins count and losses don’t. I notice you casually left out the L to Cincy.
 
mdk01 said:
Sanders brought 2 Top 10 picks in the NFL with him. Cignetti brought a slew of James Madison players to fill out IU's roster.

The best comparison will be made next year, when neither of those things wil
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O line and D lines were bad. They improved from last year but still bad. They couldn’t run the ball. They couldn’t stop the run. You can only hide that so much with two top 10 talents

I do agree. Next year will say more about their coaching.
 
jtung230 said:
I just don’t subscribed to the SEC argument that only good wins count and losses don’t. I notice you casually left out the L to Cincy.
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No, you covered the loss to Cincy 16 times already. 🙃
I figured you would bring up the "SEC argument." But that argument is a false equivalence to Arizona State.

The SEC got 3 teams into the CFP Field.
Alabama argued that they should be in, but they had 3 losses. ASU had 2. One could argue Alabama had 2 crappy losses and ASU had one.
And crybaby head coach Visor of Ole Miss lost to crappy Florida and crappy Kentucky plus a third loss to LSU.

Again, it is a false equivalence because Bama and Ole Miss each had 3 losses, 2 bad ones. ASU had 2 losses, one bad one.

Your argument seems to be an anti-Animal Farm argument that all conferences are not equal.
 
Knight Shift said:
No, you covered the loss to Cincy 16 times already. 🙃
I figured you would bring up the "SEC argument." But that argument is a false equivalence to Arizona State.

The SEC got 3 teams into the CFP Field.
Alabama argued that they should be in, but they had 3 losses. ASU had 2. One could argue Alabama had 2 crappy losses and ASU had one.
And crybaby head coach Visor of Ole Miss lost to crappy Florida and crappy Kentucky plus a third loss to LSU.

Again, it is a false equivalence because Bama and Ole Miss each had 3 losses, 2 bad ones. ASU had 2 losses, one bad one.

Your argument seems to be an anti-Animal Farm argument that all conferences are not equal.
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Feel like you are moving the goal post. The discussion was who did a better job between the two coaches. My vote goes to Cignetti because he had a better year. He beat everyone that’s not in the CFP playoffs decisively. ASU had 2 losses to non-CFP playoff teams and one was a sub 500 team. I have no issues with both teams in the CFP. Of course if ASU beats Texas, I will change my vote.
 
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mdk01 said:
Sanders brought 2 Top 10 picks in the NFL with him. Cignetti brought a slew of James Madison players to fill out IU's roster.

The best comparison will be made next year, when neither of those things will happen.
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Sanders was able to "bring" the Rivals #1 2022 recruit in the nation to Colorado because of who he is. He first got Travis to come to Jackson St. because of being a HOF player who went both ways (as well as doing 2 major sports). Another reason Hunter went with Sanders twice (Col after Jackson) was being religious. Its not like Sanders "just got lucky." Travis could have played anywhere he wanted.

Indiana has 65th best rush offense - Col was dead last at 135. Cignetti's James Madison players are probably better than many at Col.


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Seems Deion would go pro despite people believing he'll stick as a Buff and the pro game holds no interest right now.
Sanders just made an offer and I bet some NFL franchises are thinking about it .
The Titans and Browns need a QB while Tennessee is looking for a HC and Cleveland's HC probably would quickly dismissed to get DeioN Sanders and the hype that surrounds would make great PR.
>"The only way I would consider is to coach my sons. Not son. Sons," Deion Sanders said. "I love Colorado. I love my Buffaloes. I love everything that we're building. I love everything that we're doing, and I love Boulder, Colorado." <
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Colorado HC Deion Sanders would take an NFL job under one condition

Deion Sanders seemingly plans to remain the head coach of the Colorado Buffaloes, but he may accept an NFL head-coaching job under one condition.
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Postman_1 said:
Didn't he say a few weeks ago this wasn't the case?
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In November Deion implied some teams were not acceptable
>In an appearance Tuesday on the Fox Sports 1 talk show “Speak,” the elder Sanders said he would intervene if a team that he doesn’t deem to be suitable for his son’s services tries to select the highly rated quarterback in the 2025 NFL draft.<
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Deion Sanders says he would prevent Shedeur Sanders from going to wrong team in NFL draft

Colorado football coach Deion Sanders said he'd step in to prevent his son, quarterback Shedeur Sanders, from being drafted by certain NFL teams.
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Deion did imply he didn't plan on going to the pros and would stay at Colorado
>Sanders told The Pacman Jones Show that he has no intention of leaving Colorado right now.

"I love Boulder, Colorado," Sanders said. "I have every intention, every plan in the world to be coaching for the Colorado Buffs from here on. I want to finish here. I want to put the flag. I want my name on the mountains out there. I want to put my flag down in Colorado."<
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Deion Sanders Makes Definitive Statement About His Future With Colorado

There has been plenty of speculation regarding Sanders's future, but he insists he plans to stay in Boulder.
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Deion, like just about every College HC in any sport what they say about staying is subject to change depending on if thty are offered a deal somewhere else that is something they feel is far better then staying.
I;m not going anywhere really needs an * by it with " unless I get an offer I can"t refuse"
 
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jtung230 said:
We can have that. All we need to do is join ACC.

ETA don’t forget the group that discount wins as losses. That 9-4 will probably be a 3-9.
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We don't play in the ACC we play it the Big 10. Man we didn't have that turnaround when we played in the Big East, now all of a sudden we could do it if we played in the ACC. Must be nice to talk about what we could do instead of what actually happened. Like saying,man we could be NC if we.... Indiana won 3 games in 2023 and 11 in 2024, they play in the Big 10, they got it done we didn't, no excuses
 
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Knight Shift said:
Back to Arizona State and Kenny Dillignham.
Arizona State beat Iowa State and BYU (both Big 12 teams)
Iowa State beat Miami and Iowa.
BYU beat SMU

Conference Bowl Records through today:

AAC 6-1
Big Ten 4-2 (Losses to ND (Indiana lost to ND) and B12 (Rutgers lost to K State)
MAC 4-2
Big 12 4-3 (Losses to AAC (WVU lost to Memphis), B12 (Colorado Lost to BYU), and SEC (TexTech Lost to Arkansas)
SEC 4-3
Sun Belt 3-3
CUSA 1-3
MW 1-3
ACC 1-9
Pac-12 0-1
(Notre Dame & UConn 2-0)

Would not say the B12 is a joke.
Syracuse only won, because the entire defense entered the transfer portal, star QB left and head coach
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Syracuse won period, no one said a thing when we beat Miami last year when all of their players opted out. Sorta like saying the only reason you kicked my ass was because I slipped
 
jsol_05 said:
Syracuse won period, no one said a thing when we beat Miami last year when all of their players opted out. Sorta like saying the only reason you kicked my ass was because I slipped
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I never kicked anyone's ass, although in my own mind I could kick Tyson's ass in his prime. 🙃
Had to go back and look at my post, and I guess I fell asleep mid sentence and hit post.
It does not matter.
But plenty of people on this board said things about Rutgers beating a diluted Miami. But that segment of fans always looks on the dark side of positive outcomes for Rutgers, yet uses the same type of result to prop up another team. It is one of the more entertaining aspects of this board.

IDK about Miami missing "all their players" in that bowl game against Rutgers:

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Top Rutgers and Miami Players Not Playing in the Pinstripe Bowl

The Miami Hurricanes will look like a different team when they take on Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl. Which players will be out from this one in the Bronx?
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I am curious how any team can promise to draft both of primes kids. Sure, if you have pick #1- you can grab SS but how do you make a promise to pick the other son? There are mult rounds that other teams are picking. Unless you make your team waste a 2nd round on him…
 
yesrutgers01 said:
I am curious how any team can promise to draft both of primes kids. Sure, if you have pick #1- you can grab SS but how do you make a promise to pick the other son? There are mult rounds that other teams are picking. Unless you make your team waste a 2nd round on him…
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Shilo Sanders is not a great DB and if drafted would be in late rounds (projections say).
But he's probably an UFA and can go to Raiders or others if he wants
Its a bad look probably but its doable.
Hopefully Prime is just greasing a better contract at Col. with all the NFL talk.
 
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ashokan said:
Shilo Sanders is not a great DB and if drafted would be in late rounds (projections say).
But he's probably an UFA and can go to Raiders or others if he wants
Its a bad look probably but its doable.
Hopefully Prime is just greasing a better contract at Col. with all the NFL talk.
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I get it but also think he would have his option #1 to be NFL with both kids on his team - No one knows if SS is really a starting NFL QB and who knows if the younger son even makes a squad. Prime, if he is their NFL HC would have the longest leash ever created for a QB if it was his son playing. And, his other son would 100% make the roster.
Prime's health is not the best- I really think he is doing most of this for his own kids benefit.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
I get it but also think he would have his option #1 to be NFL with both kids on his team - No one knows if SS is really a starting NFL QB and who knows if the younger son even makes a squad. Prime, if he is their NFL HC would have the longest leash ever created for a QB if it was his son playing. And, his other son would 100% make the roster.
Prime's health is not the best- I really think he is doing most of this for his own kids benefit.
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Lots of the "experts"had/ have SS #1.
He led QBs overall last year and is close 4th this year - 75% completion rate with no OL or run game behind him.
At season's end lots of people muddy the waters and I just go by what I see.

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How does Shedeur Sanders stack up? NFL draft analysts break down his skill set, projection

Sanders is one of the top quarterbacks in the 2025 draft class. What are his strengths and weaknesses, and when could he get picked?
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Rutgers Chris said:
“Mutual interest” between Deion and the Cowboys per Adam Shefter. I’d love to watch that happen
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Jones and Prime have been peas in a pod a long time.
If I thought he was going to an NFL team Dallas would be it.
Deion played for Cowboys for 5 years
Many people don't remember that Jones and Jimmy Johnson were on National title team at Ark in 1964.
Jones tends to like his players more than his coaches so with DS he would have both in one.
I still think its a disappointment to push Colorado out for NFL but I'll bet Jones is dangling a big bag
Boys pick 12th and Shedeur will be gone by then despite all the FUD circulating about him lately
 
ashokan said:
Jones and Prime have been peas in a pod a long time.
If I thought he was going to an NFL team Dallas would be it.
Deion played for Cowboys for 5 years
Many people don't remember that Jones and Jimmy Johnson were on National title team at Ark in 1964.
Jones tends to like his players more than his coaches so with DS he would have both in one.
I still think its a disappointment to push Colorado out for NFL but I'll bet Jones is dangling a big bag
Boys pick 12th and Shedeur will be gone by then despite all the FUD circulating about him lately
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How about the Giants offering #3 in exchange for #12, '25 Rd 2 and '26 #1?
 
mdk01 said:
How about the Giants offering #3 in exchange for #12, '25 Rd 2 and '26 #1?
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I cant make any sense of draft trades as a rule.
I know some top picks and thats it.
Do the NYGs want to help Cowboys after helping Philly lol?
Be fun to see Barkley and Deion/Shedeur 4 times a season haha.
Giants should get a plaque or something
 
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ashokan said:
I cant make any sense of draft trades as a rule.
I know some top picks and thats it.
Do the NYGs want to help Cowboys after helping Philly lol?
By fun to see Barkley and Deion/Shedeur 4 times a season haha.
Giants should get a plaque or something
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If this happens, the Giants deserves to lose about 20K season ticket holders and have every home games raided by all visiting teams
 
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ashokan said:
Shilo Sanders is not a great DB and if drafted would be in late rounds (projections say).
But he's probably an UFA and can go to Raiders or others if he wants
Its a bad look probably but its doable.
Hopefully Prime is just greasing a better contract at Col. with all the NFL talk.
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Probably greasing his Buff pay is right, but Deion's ego is a pro and he won't turn down what will give him a bigger limelight..
This talk about him and Dallas might have some wheels, but I think Jones will look elsewhere because Sanders would be a bigger story than him and Jerry wants all the glory.
 
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Love them all except the slides thing.

Friend is a podiatric surgeon and he always suggests athletes, especially those still growing, to change out of their “work shoes” (skates, cleats, boots, etc.) as soon when they’re done with practice or a game.

Slides were his suggestion.

But I can see where Coach Prime is coming from and agree with his overall point.
 
e5fdny said:
Love them all except the slides thing.

Friend is a podiatric surgeon and he always suggests athletes, especially those still growing, to change out of their “work shoes” (skates, cleats, boots, etc.) as soon when they’re done with practice or a game.

Slides were his suggestion.

But I can see where Coach Prime is coming from and agree with his overall point.
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The slides rule makes no sense at all- my son wore his slides unless in a workout, on the field or at a formal function for everything during HS/College and the NFL...
And can the coaches take away NIL money?
 
"d can the coaches take away NIL money?"
great question and if so that might mean Schools control NIL payments, which I think is something they aren't supposed to be involved with.
If Sanders threatened suspension for grades I could understand, but him or Colorado being involved with one of his player's NIL is supposed to be against the NCAA's NIL rules as far as I understand .
 
yesrutgers01 said:
The slides rule makes no sense at all- my son wore his slides unless in a workout, on the field or at a formal function for everything during HS/College and the NFL...
And can the coaches take away NIL money?
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I posted excepts from an Athletic article where a recruit mentioned there are so many clauses in the contracts for performance metrics etc…that’s why I always say don’t take at face value those headline figures. It could be real, lies or misleading/ambiguous.

So I don’t know if it’s taking away NIL like a clawback as much as not giving the full potential payout if certain clauses aren’t met. I don’t get the impression these are usually, if at all, lump sum payments either.
 
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