OT: Prince Has Died
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somehow I dont think that will happen....you will never see Calvin Harris being honored by the Kennedy Center. He is popular now and there have been DJs and producers as popular as him who end up fading away in a few years
you might be taking some fruity pills in California to actually mention Calvin Harris and Led Zep in the same sentence
Its so hard to find Prince videos since his management has really kept up with keeping the stuff off youtube. I just found this on Daily Motion....U Got the Look with Sheena Easton...so much going on in this video..awesome
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When you call "Manic Monday" a classic, you have eliminated yourself from serious discussion of music.
Prince was a major pop star in decline when he died. Really good musician, fairly mediocre writer. End of the day, second tier. Michael Jackson blows him away and I don't like Michael Jackson.
Is there anybody coming up who will reach Prince's level? Seriously? Lady Gaga, Adele, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars, Amy Winehouse (will be legendary because of early death), Kanye, Beyonce. I hope Lorde makes the list, too, because I'm biased. Kid's only 19, but time will tell.
Great to see old farts in training.
Prince was a major pop star in decline when he died. Really good musician, fairly mediocre writer. End of the day, second tier. Michael Jackson blows him away and I don't like Michael Jackson.
Is there anybody coming up who will reach Prince's level? Seriously? Lady Gaga, Adele, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars, Amy Winehouse (will be legendary because of early death), Kanye, Beyonce. I hope Lorde makes the list, too, because I'm biased. Kid's only 19, but time will tell.
Great to see old farts in training.
I keep hearing the word prolific. I couldn't agree more. Transcendent is another one.
Was never a fan of his music but you have to give him credit for all he did and how talented he was. As great of a showman and musician, he was one of the great songwriters ever.
Not-for-nothing but you might want to peruse his Wiki page. The man is a legend, like it or not, and has the #'s to prove it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_singles_discography
Michael Jackson did some great stuff until Thriller then coasted with repetitive music and production. You are so far off the mark...second tier? Smh
Sorry guys. Second tier. He was pop. If you're pop, you should sell. That's kind of the definition. Where's Prince? Not in the top 40. Behind Bruno Mars, Lil Wayne, and Phil Collins. Ah, but the artistry. Look at all his Grammys. 7. To be in the top 20, you have to have at least 17, so you can kind of see where Prince might fit. 2004 Rolling Stone list of top rock n roll: 27th. And that was in 2004. Could be out of the top 40 by now.
He was a big star in his time, and played it well. Great musician. OK writer. He'll be a legend until next week.
Just saw that he once kicked Kim Kardashian off the stage. That definitely raises my opinion of him.
The Beatles only won 9 Grammys (5 before they broke up...3 in 1997). Silly argument IMHO because awards as such have a lot to do with timing of albums and whatnot. Hey, you don't like him, you don't like him, that's fine, but he IS a "legend" no ifs, ands, or buts about it, and his music is more-or-less "timeless."
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Here are the facts:
"He has scored over fifty top 40 hits around the world since 1979. He has been ranked as the 21st most successful sales act of all time,[6] the 26th most successful chart artist worldwide,[7] including 27 overall number-one entries,[8] and being the most successful chart act of the 1980s,[3] as well as the 10th most successful chart act of the 1990s.[9"
...think about this: he dominated a decade in which Madonna (albums: Madonna, Like A Virgin, True Blue, Like a Prayer) and Michael Jackson (albums: Thriller and Bad) absolutely killed it. Then he followed-up by being #10 the next decade. Dude...com'on...that's insane.
"He has scored over fifty top 40 hits around the world since 1979. He has been ranked as the 21st most successful sales act of all time,[6] the 26th most successful chart artist worldwide,[7] including 27 overall number-one entries,[8] and being the most successful chart act of the 1980s,[3] as well as the 10th most successful chart act of the 1990s.[9"
...think about this: he dominated a decade in which Madonna (albums: Madonna, Like A Virgin, True Blue, Like a Prayer) and Michael Jackson (albums: Thriller and Bad) absolutely killed it. Then he followed-up by being #10 the next decade. Dude...com'on...that's insane.
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Prince is absolutely a legend. Few people would actually try and argue against that. He has sold more albums than Bob Dylan. Few would say he wasn't legend too.
Damn. Huge loss for the music world. Guy was a genius: great singer, songwriter, dancer, and an incredible guitarist. And he could act. Lot of similarities to Bowie in how both were incredibly gifted and extraordinarily influential, redefining music in so many ways, while challenging cultural and sexual norms. Odd thing for me was that I had meetings from 12-4, then jumped on a train to MSG, ate dinner with a friend and went to the Rangers game, so I didn't find out until late tonight.
If you ask people in the 20's and younger, they would rank Calvin Harris over Led Zepplin. Easily. Now, I don't agree with them, but things change.
And Calvin Harris is one of the most popular people on the planet right now. Kennedy Center? Dude could buy the Kennedy Center.
This is great music! This video was just featured on Fox news talking about him. Thanks again.
I love 99% of your posts, but you're simply wrong on Prince. Completely, dead wrong. Guy was a musical giant and not just pop. He could rock with the best of them, did great R&B/soul tunes, and yeah, killed it in the pop world too, but his pop was better than most others' pop.
In terms of #1 billboard hits in the 1980's, Prince ranks 8th, tied with Stevie Wonder and Bon Jovi, and behind Michael Jackson, George Michael, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Phil Collins, Lionel Ritchie, and Hall and Oates (for God's sake). What was this? Dominating from behind?
Yeah, he's sold more albums than Dylan, but Dylan never claimed to be pop. Dylan is mediocre as a musician, even worse as a singer. Prince blows him away in both of those categories. But Dylan wrote music that changed America. Prince changed his name a lot. Hell, Prince isn't even in the top 40 of albums sold.
As to the Beatles. They were only an act from '63 to '70. McCartney won 18 Grammys. That's what a legend does.
If you want to say that legends are people in the top 40 or so of what they do, then I guess you could call him a legend. Kind of like saying Paul Konerko was a legendary home run hitter.
Listen, he was good. And if he was one of your favorites, this is a terrible day. But when I think of legendary rock and rollers, he just isn't there.
The amount of present day artists that will list Prince as an influence will be many and wide. If Dylan changed America, he would have sold more albums than Prince, Pop or not.
Thanks for the kind words on posts in general. And back atcha. But we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I put him well behind the top 20-25 acts in rock and roll and/or pop. And so, to me, he's not a legend.
But no question he had a flair and was an exceptionally good musician, both in terms of vocal range and playing a lot of instruments well. Big for a while, and loved the over the top stuff, but the record just doesn't seem to be there. I'm not a big pop fan, so I could be a bit jaded here. I've tried listening to some of his stuff today, and it just doesn't cut it for me. Being the best of 80's music for me is like having the best Department of Astrology. And as I said, I don't even think he was the best then.
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Changing America with your music equates to album sales? Really? That would mean that Michael Jackson's Thriller and AC/DC's Back in Black changed America the most. Both 80's albums, btw, and neither one of them by Prince. Also Meat Loaf and Shania Twain would be in the top ten influential albums. Solid argument.
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Going to bow out of this one now. Made the points I care to make, and it's a tough day for Prince fans, and my argument that he wasn't a legend can be viewed as denigrating his talent, which isn't what I mean to be doing. I'm just engaging in a kind of "who was the greatest" kind of debate, and hell, today isn't the day for that for Prince. He had some great songs, was a great singer, could play the hell out of a lot of instruments, and marched to his own drummer.
RIP
RIP
I'm gonna apologize for taking stuff off Wiki, however, here is where it comes from and, yes, it's not a good barometer my bad:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)
http://tsort.info/music/faq_decade_artists.htm
I would say Michael Jackson changed America, and the world, far more than Dylan ever dreamed. In fact, many would say that.
Dylan and Shania Twain. Sounds about right.
The man was simply brilliant. Could cross into so many genres. Rocked it on tunes like I Wanna Be Your Lover, Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and Let's Go Crazy and got funky on songs like Lady Cab Driver, Get Off and Sexy Dancer. And then there were of course the crossover pop tunes like Rasberry Beret, Little Red Corvette and When Doves Cry. Simply a genius of music.
List some groups that wow you.
Have seen a lot of of up and coming groups in club shows that have wowed me over the years. Many of them will never be considered legends or achieve mass fame, and many have already faded/ retired. But I like a lot of hard rock, metal and punk bands. Some that have wow'd:
Rollins Band
Orange 9 mm
Clutch
Korn before they got popular
Slipknot
Marilyn Manson
Gwar
Slayer
Metallica in the early 1990's (wish I saw them in the 80's)
John Eddie
Goo Goo Dolls before they went pop
Meat Loaf in the 1980's
Springsteen continues to wow when he is not talking politics
Clutch
Ned's Atomic Dustbin
Corrosion of Conformity
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Went to see Corrosion of Conformity last week at the Wonder Bar in Asbury. Opening band was called Mothership-a three piece out of Dallas, Texas. Their sound is a mix of Sabbath, ZZ Top and Iron Maiden. They have 2 albums out. These guys played like they were playing to a sold out stadium and absolutely killed it. Their lead guitarist was jaw dropping over the top.Here's a performance from 2014. Go to 4:00
thats great but they would also rate Lady Ga Ga over Aretha Franklin...and oh as hot as Lady GaGa was she sort of fell off the map musically so thats what I am saying, dont just annoint Calvin Harris or the DJ of the day as a 25 year plus artist..whats popular today isnt always popular tomorrow....NSync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Alanis Morisette. Dance music is popular now no question but lets not go crazy here. If I ask people under 15 they may think Beiber is the better than Lennon.
Too bad. Much more influential and talented than the boss.
Should make fall trip more interesting.
Should make fall trip more interesting.
I always thought his music sounded dated, but the more you learn about him, the more talented you realize he was...that guitar solo earlier in this thread was really good, and you add on top of that his songwriting and the fact that he didn't conform and marched to the beat of his own drum is what impresses me. He was willing to go in a completely different direction with stuff if he thought it was worth exploring, and creativity like that should be appreciated.
Most Influential American Artist in History
1. Louis Armstrong
2. Prince
3. James Brown
4. Michael Jackson
5. Jimi Hendrix
I rest my case.
1. Louis Armstrong
2. Prince
3. James Brown
4. Michael Jackson
5. Jimi Hendrix
I rest my case.
I was born in 83. Can't argue the guy is super talented, way moreso than I realized before seeing the deluge of videos the last 24 hours.
But for someone my age, and I am definitely into basically all genres of music, especially including classic rock and pop from the 80's, these are his classic, legendary songs:
Purple Rain
When Doves Cry
1999
Let's Go Crazy
Kiss
Raspberry Beret
Little Red Corvette
I read thru the singles discography, and I had never heard of any of his other "hits". Granted I was too young for his peak. But those 7 are songs I think we will hear for a long time.
Also on this note, a great tweet from Chevy:
But for someone my age, and I am definitely into basically all genres of music, especially including classic rock and pop from the 80's, these are his classic, legendary songs:
Purple Rain
When Doves Cry
1999
Let's Go Crazy
Kiss
Raspberry Beret
Little Red Corvette
I read thru the singles discography, and I had never heard of any of his other "hits". Granted I was too young for his peak. But those 7 are songs I think we will hear for a long time.
Also on this note, a great tweet from Chevy:
Link: One video and the story behind it tell you everything you need to know about Prince
"Eric Clapton was once asked in an interview what it felt like to be the best guitarist in the world, and his answer was perfect: 'I don’t know. Ask Prince.' "
"Eric Clapton was once asked in an interview what it felt like to be the best guitarist in the world, and his answer was perfect: 'I don’t know. Ask Prince.' "
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I would also put Lady GaGa in the same sentence as Aretha Franklin. GaGa is incredibly, incredibly talented. As much as Aretha Franklin? Absolutely.
Calvin Harris is much more than a DJ. He is a song writer and producer. The dude is absolutely killing it across the board. Being a DJ is about a 10th of what he does.
It's the way the world works. If millions more people think Beiber is better than Lennon, then he is. But I don't believe that is the case.
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