Are you suggesting it’s impossible? Schools account for 75% of property taxes. There are things that can be done. I have great insight into schools so I see some opportunities to cut costs. Regionalization is another means with little to no effect to teachers. Nothing is impossible in my opinion. There just needs to be desire and leaders willing to try something.
OT: Property tax relief coming for those over 65
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Tell the people who live in towns you want to close their schools see how that goes
He must be the Chief making $300,000 a year now and started work as a cop at 19.
SS is the textbook definition of a Ponzi scheme. However, the gov'ment has the power to tax, so they are Madoff with an unlimited supply of inflow.
School accounts for 70%'ish in some towns, but not all. It depends on educational aid or if they are a crooked Abbott district.
I'm not sure the Democrats would let it sunset. Some Democrats proposed to do away with the SALT limit as part of budget reconciliation last year -- but then other Democrats pointed out that abolishing the SALT limit mostly aids richer taxpayers.
College is exponentially more now, and the interest rate is irrelevant when you consider boomers were buying nice homes for 80k then that would push 800k now. The rate of incomes has not risen the same way either.
Baby Boomers are 1946-1964. The born-year for draftees was 1952. So yeah, if the average boomer was born in 1955 they were past the cutoff.
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Oh and millennials had to things like sign up to fight unjust wars to get their college paid. And then got to come back and be told they're snowflakes by the bone spurs and sabbatical in Canada generation.
Not really some. Just one, from WV. Since it's sunsetting it can at least be renegotiated to a sensible level.
It is simply outrageous that middle class folks have their tax increased so corporate jet owners could get a break, brought to you by the clowns who understandably can't win the popular vote.
Maybe stand back and stand by, people who actually went to RU- or any college- are talking.
Your second paragraph is incorrect, but I'm not going to be lured into a political discussion.
I don't think it's political to point out 80% of NJ residents affected by the law earn less than 216k, and 30% would get a tax cut if it were lifted.
I wouldn't say 216k is rich (albeit certainly not poor) nor that 30% of NJ is rich.
Restoring property tax break can save you lots of cash. Why it could actually happen this time.
The fight is shifting into high gear in Washington. New Jersey lawmakers are hopeful.
My friend, who was a resident of Michigan, said that years back its government decided to lessen the impact on pubic services through regionalization. The government summarily decided which schools and municipal services were to be consolidated without any negotiation or bargaining. There were many unhappy towns, schools, police stations, etc but it substantially reduced taxes. I doubt that our government would have the balls to take on an aggressive regionalization plan.
I'll let you lure me. Those 30% are relatively rich compared to everyone else. That's because richer people pay more taxes and therefore benefit more from lifting the SALT ceiling than not-so-rich people do. The lion's share of the benefit would go to the very rich because they pay the most state and local taxes.I don't think it's political to point out 80% of NJ residents affected by the law earn less than 216k, and 30% would get a tax cut if it were lifted.
I wouldn't say 216k is rich (albeit certainly not poor) nor that 30% of NJ is rich.
Restoring property tax break can save you lots of cash. Why it could actually happen this time.
The fight is shifting into high gear in Washington. New Jersey lawmakers are hopeful.www.nj.com
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I didn't ask about the draft, just signing up for Selective Service. And no one has been drafted for decades. So the bolded part just isn't true. It's been all volunteer since the 70's.Baby Boomers are 1946-1964. The born year for draftees was 1952. So yeah, if the average boomer was born in 1955, they were past the cutoff.
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Oh, and millennials had to things like sign up to fight unjust wars to get their college paid. And then got to come back and be told they're snowflakes by the bone spurs and sabbatical in Canada generation.
Both my boys (now 23 and 20) were asked this on their respective FAFSA applications when they applied for financial aid. They are in the system.
I believe police and teachers deserved to be paid properly and they make a nice living in NJ
I don’t understand people that argue this fact. The numbers are public record. Nephew just hired PD in Middlesex county. Started at 63k and will be at 100k in 3 years before overtime.
My kids teachers in Monmouth county elementary and middle make 72-89k per year with 5-10 years in the system. This is not taking into account additional benefits, health insurance, pension payments etc… which increases total compensation by 30-50%.
Many family members are police and teachers. Many are retiring in the coming years. And they all will do very well in retirement. All will take far more out of the NJ pension system than they paid in if they live to actuarial averages.
The average Public School Teacher salary in New Jersey is $62,350 as of May 25, 2023, but the range typically falls between $52,068 and $76,039. (Per salary.com) My daughter, with a masters in education from Rutgers is making approximately $60k as an elementary school teacher in Middlesex County (after 6 years of teaching). $62k is peanuts for what they have to deal with.
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Ocean county teachers make less than Middlesex and Monmouth teachers on average
not peanuts, they work roughly half the year on top of the golden retirement package
well paid
Roughly half? I mean, if you consider 10 months to be roughly half.
Not 10 months, not roughly half. Remember a week at Christmas and the other school vacations.
So then we're also subtracting vacation time from private sector jobs as well? I only ask because my friends are up to 4 to 6 weeks of paid vacation time at this point.
I have a different take on this. We need to attract excellent young people to teaching. It used to be this wasn't that big a problem. Bright women (and women still account for three-quarters of teachers) didn't have the career opportunities before the 1960s that they do now. Men were still able to support families on their own income, so married women didn't have a pressing need for income. All that is gone now. If you want better teachers, we need to pay them more and give them better working conditions. Part of that, by the way, is making it easier for disruptive kids to be removed from the classroom --but a lot of it is making teaching more economically attractive.
One half of 365, plus one is the typical required days per year for school days.
Our district has so many days off in November that they go less than one half the month.
13 days in school last year for November. So saying they work 10 months is very misleading.
Our district has so many days off in November that they go less than one half the month.
13 days in school last year for November. So saying they work 10 months is very misleading.
There are places in the country where teachers are underpaid. But New Jersey is not one of those places. I had a patient making $93000 in Jersey City who no longer was in a classroom. Her job was to fill out paperwork for the State of New Jersey. Of course that means a recipient being paid by the State on the other end. My patient moaned that she didn't know how she was going to manage on her $64000 pension.
I just think people spout these numbers as if they work 365 days a year. There are 260 weekdays. Then you subtract the 11 federal holidays (although many get more than that off). Then you take off the 4 weeks of paid vacation/sick time that most people have by year 20 (though many have more at that point), and we're, at most, looking at 229 days. It could be less depending on the job. I get it. I work 182 days. It's less. But I also won't hit 6 figures, with a masters degree, until year 25. And sure, I'm biased, but I believe teaching is the most important job in the world.
Salary.com is not the most reliable source for public employee wages. I prefer to use data provided by the pension system. You can track the data at data universe.
I have punched in multiple locations in multiple counties for this data. Sorry to say Middlesex county pays their teachers horribly. But I punched in 3 family members and 2 college buddies that all teach in Middlesex County. 3 of them in abbot districts. 4 teachers one administrator. 1 elementary Ed 5 years experience 58k, 2 are making 90k with 10-15 years experience elementary , 1 102k as a high schoolhistory teacher with 18 yrs and one 170k as administrator 22 years experience.
In my opinion, to get a more accurate sense of how teachers' salaries compare to private sector jobs, you should really look at the pay on a 'per hour' basis - ignoring overtime for both (we all know both work outside their 'on the clock' hours, at times).
teachers work less work days than anyone in the state of nj
you guys are a riot
well paid, not even debatable
they did, the star liar did that and it did not paint teachers pleas well
on top of that, teachers really don't provide any real economic value. the best is hearing, 'I'd love to quit. Really so what will you do? I don't know, I don't have any transferable skills'
Exactly! All you need to do is look at all the prosperous countries around the world that don’t provide free public education to see what a ridiculous waste of money it is here in the US.
Truth. Get rid of tenure and unions and let the free market really lead the way with teachers. The cream will rise to the top and get paid. The mediocre will get rotated out.
You're out of touch with our current Reality. Districts are absolutely desperate to fill positions. There is a major teacher shortage right now. For the first time in our history, teachers are able to move from district to district without dropping to the bottom of the pay scale. I don't know of any study that shows if this will be a longterm effect, but I can tell you what I see every day at work. Teachers are leaving and no one is there to replace them. This puts more stress on the teachers who stay, making the job even less desirable. I fear that we are in real trouble.
Here's one piece of anecdotal evidence: I sit on my town's board of education. We've had an agreement with Rutgers GSE for years where they'd send us student teachers. This year, they told us the deal is over. Why? There aren't enough kids in the program to send us. In other words, kids aren't going into education any more. It's not an attractive profession.
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