OT: Ray Lucas throws a jab at James Franklin

[p0lisht0m]

Not major but he was a co-host yesterday on the Michael Kay show and Hackenberg came up. One of the hosts asked if he thinks Franklin was bad for Hackenberg and Lucas responded "Franklin is bad for Penn State".

Its not much, but it is a slow news day.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Funny that a few years ago we were frothing at the mouth for him - that he was one of the coaches we were going after with our private donations.....good things come to those who wait-think that Ash is going to be a stud!

 

[MozRU]

Ray Lucas can do no wrong. In this case, he did a major right.

(Look forward to listening to him and Chris up here in New England this fall on the WCTC app)

 

[Abro1975]

Funny that a few years ago we were frothing at the mouth for him - that he was one of the coaches we were going after with our private donations.....good things come to those who wait-think that Ash is going to be a stud!

I don't remember that at all. But I admit I could be wrong.

 

[p0lisht0m]

Funny that a few years ago we were frothing at the mouth for him - that he was one of the coaches we were going after with our private donations.....good things come to those who wait-think that Ash is going to be a stud!

Agreed, I prefer that he stay at Penn State. He ran circles around Flood when it came to recruiting, but Ash looks more than capable to handle himself in that area and Franklin shouldn't poach too many recruits from NJ if things go well for Rutgers.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.

 

[shields]

Ray is entitled to his opinion and not the only one who has gotten on Franklin for Sackenburg.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Funny that a few years ago we were frothing at the mouth for him - that he was one of the coaches we were going after with our private donations.....good things come to those who wait-think that Ash is going to be a stud!

no objective evidence, but seems to me 90% of the "hot young coaches" (football and bball) generally fail.

Hoping we get that 10% in Coach Ash! (and Pikiell)!

 

[Arizona Knight]

Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.

Hit the showers.

 

[Knight Shift]

Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.

To be fair, RU was dealing with their own sanctions the last 3 years and still cleaning up the flood damage.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Hit the showers.

I'm sure he'll get all lathered up.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Hit the showers.

So original.

I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs? He's entitled to his opinion, but when you have no credibility and your team has lost to Franklin twice, it comes off as sour grapes.

 

[Knight Shift]

So original.

I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs?

We'll see about that in the postdiluvian era now that the ship is being righted. Despite your watered down sanctions, PSU is light years ahead in facilities, fanbase, financial support, etc, etc. Ray's a homer. Always will be, and that is why many RU fans love him.

 

[shields]

In the media he is entitled to his opinion. We did win 8 games the first year in conference with a lousy coach. Counting bowl game. Can't wait to get the full amount of money other teams get.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.

lol you mean the sanctions that were a lot less, than they should have been, both before and after ALL the ass-kissing reductions?

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

We'll see about that in the postdiluvian era now that the ship is being righted. Despite your watered down sanctions, PSU is light years ahead in facilities, fanbase, financial support, etc, etc. Ray's a homer. Always will be, and that is why many RU fans love him.

And like I said, I get that. If I was Ray, though, I'd wait for that era you're talking about to get here before I spouted off on the radio.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

lol you mean the sanctions that were a lot less, than they should have been, both before and after ALL the ass-kissing reductions?

Even with the reduction the PSU sanctions were still tougher than any others in history outside of SMU.

 

[Knight Shift]

Even with the reduction the PSU sanctions were still tougher than any others in history outside of SMU.

What do you think the UNC sanctions should be, assuming you have followed the case. Seems to be right in the wheelhouse of what the NCAA should be handling, although UNC disagrees, and seems to be taking a PSU approach and lawyering up. Not knocking the lawyering up by either school, but sometimes you should take your sanctions like a man.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

What do you think the UNC sanctions should be, assuming you have followed the case. Seems to be right in the wheelhouse of what the NCAA should be handling, although UNC disagrees, and seems to be taking a PSU approach and lawyering up. Not knocking the lawyering up by either school, but sometimes you should take your sanctions like a man.

I believe the NCAA should be involved in the UNC situation because it's at the heart of what college athletics and the NCAA are supposed to take seriously: academic fraud and athletic eligibility. As far as what those penalties should be, I'm not well-versed enough on the exact regulations and the penalties they carry to say. I will say that the death penalty is most likely something we'll never see again, so we're talking about postseason bans and loss of scholarships.

I do disagree with you when you insinuate that UNC is taking a similar approach as PSU by "lawyering up." PSU helped negotiate its own sanctions. It certainly didn't fight them (as it maybe should have). UNC is fighting, rightly or wrongly, because the NCAA is a weak, gun-shy organization right now in terms of enforcement.

 

[Caliknight]

That's isn't a jab by Ray. It's a right cross to the mouth. And it hurts because it's true.

 

[PSU_Nut]

What do you think the UNC sanctions should be, assuming you have followed the case. Seems to be right in the wheelhouse of what the NCAA should be handling, although UNC disagrees, and seems to be taking a PSU approach and lawyering up. Not knocking the lawyering up by either school, but sometimes you should take your sanctions like a man.

Penn State took the sanctions and follwed them. If they had lawyers up they still be battling them now because the NCAA would have to follow their own guidelines. People forget that the lawsuits were not from Penn Statw but from outside people.

 

[TheB1GTerp]

Funny that a few years ago we were frothing at the mouth for him - that he was one of the coaches we were going after with our private donations.....good things come to those who wait-think that Ash is going to be a stud!

Maryland didn't want him as a HC and preferred Edsall that's all you should know.

Franklin given what he has at PSU, is about as successful as Edsall was at UMD.

 

[lighty]

I don't remember that at all. But I admit I could be wrong.

Many wanted Franklin... It's that SEC bias -- even a coach that barely wins in that conference is highly sought after.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Maryland didn't want him as a HC and preferred Edsall that's all you should know.

Franklin given what he has at PSU, is about as successful as Edsall was at UMD.

Go watch a high school football practice. Key on the OL. Then ask yourself if you could win in the B1G with that group. This has been debated on here countless times; if you're judging Franklin now, you're a year (or two) too soon.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Why should Ray worry about Rutgers when he was asked a question about PSU?

I guess you think he should have responded "I shouldn't answer that question until my team wins more"
You butt hurt PSU guys can be morons

 

[RUtrumpet92]

And like I said, I get that. If I was Ray, though, I'd wait for that era you're talking about to get here before I spouted off on the radio.

So you envision the radio show going like this:

Host: "Hey by the way, Hackenberg played under Franklin. Was Franklin bad for Hackenberg"

Ray: "I don't want to comment on that until Rutgers beats Penn State a couple of times."

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Why should Ray worry about Rutgers when he was asked a question about PSU?

I guess you think he should have responded "I shouldn't answer that question until my team wins more"
You butt hurt PSU guys can be morons

You beat me to it by a matter of seconds!

 

[rurichdog]

Funny, all those years "Rutgers sucked" yet Ray Lucas didn't get sacked as many times as Hackenburg.

 

[yesrutgers01]

You beat me to it by a matter of seconds!

Except I felt the need to call cheesesteak and the PSU cronies morons ha

 

[shields]

Kevin's Dad is right on the money with his answer.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Why should Ray worry about Rutgers when he was asked a question about PSU?

I guess you think he should have responded "I shouldn't answer that question until my team wins more"
You butt hurt PSU guys can be morons

He was asked about Hack in relation to Franklin. He chose to make a more overarching statement. And I'm not butt hurt; I just think it makes Ray look stupid.

If top-20 recruiting classes, kids continuing to graduate while being involved in the community and mostly staying out of trouble, and helping former walk-ons reach the NFL is bad for Penn State, well, so be it. Hopefully it only gets "worse" from here.

 

[miketd1]

He was asked about Hack in relation to Franklin. He chose to make a more overarching statement. And I'm not butt hurt; I just think it makes Ray look stupid.

If top-20 recruiting classes, kids continuing to graduate while being involved in the community and mostly staying out of trouble, and helping former walk-ons reach the NFL is bad for Penn State, well, so be it. Hopefully it only gets "worse" from here.

There is a growing contingent of the PSU fanbase that have seen enough of Franklin and think a change is in order. Are they stupid too?

In the end Franklin -- like all head coaches -- are judged by one thing: meaningful bowl games. How many has he been to?

 

[yesrutgers01]

He was asked about Hack in relation to Franklin. He chose to make a more overarching statement. And I'm not butt hurt; I just think it makes Ray look stupid.

If top-20 recruiting classes, kids continuing to graduate while being involved in the community and mostly staying out of trouble, and helping former walk-ons reach the NFL is bad for Penn State, well, so be it. Hopefully it only gets "worse" from here.

This was your statement. Ray was asked a question specifically about Franklin and he responded specifically about Franklin. There was nothing agenda driven about it. You are the one looking stupid.

"I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs? He's entitled to his opinion, but when you have no credibility and your team has lost to Franklin twice, it comes off as sour grapes"

 

[160louis]

Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.

USC sanctions were just us bad. Settle down.

 

[DJ Spanky]

So did everyone know Franklin had a twin?

Why should Ray worry about Rutgers when he was asked a question about PSU?

I guess you think he should have responded "I shouldn't answer that question until my team wins more"
You butt hurt PSU guys can be morons

"can be" - ???

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

There is a growing contingent of the PSU fanbase that have seen enough of Franklin and think a change is in order. Are they stupid too?

Yes. Penn State fans are no different from any others: Most of them are stupid. Very few people actually follow everything about a program or team close enough, and have some sort of institutional knowledge of the sport, for their opinions to matter. The average guy who watches the games but otherwise tunes out is entitled to his opinion; it doesn't mean what he thinks - or talks about at the bar or writes on Facebook - matches with reality, or more important, with the opinions held by the university and the AD. Add in the faction of our fan base who thinks anything new or handled different from how Paterno would have is wrong, and the idiocy is multiplied.

In the end Franklin -- like all head coaches -- are judged by one thing: meaningful bowl games. How many has he been to?

I agree. Except he hasn't really had an opportunity to reach a meaningful bowl game because of the roster limitations he's been working with. If his recruiting success doesn't translate to on-field success over the next two years, he'll be finding a new job.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

This was your statement. Ray was asked a question specifically about Franklin and he responded specifically about Franklin. There was nothing agenda driven about it. You are the one looking stupid.

"I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs? He's entitled to his opinion, but when you have no credibility and your team has lost to Franklin twice, it comes off as sour grapes"

Huh? I admittedly didn't hear the radio show, but OP said Ray was asked if Franklin "was bad for Hackenberg." He could have answered that question in any number of ways: bad fit for the system, ruined his mechanics, etc. Instead he chose to say Franklin was bad for Penn State. If you think that's "answering the question," we'll just disagree. To me it looks like Ray, an RU alum and broadcaster who clearly has no love lost for PSU, took the question as an opportunity to take a shot at Franklin's overall ability as a head coach. And again, he's entitled to believe Franklin's "bad for Penn State," just like I'm entitled to believe comments like that make Ray look like a small-time guy pushing an agenda for a struggling program that has now lost twice - once embarrassingly - to said bad coach.

 

[LC-88]

So original.

I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs? He's entitled to his opinion, but when you have no credibility and your team has lost to Franklin twice, it comes off as sour grapes.

Ray is pi$$ed because we are trying to compete with a fraction of the money that everyone else in B1G East land has except MD We're doing well hopping around on one leg, and our hands tied behind our backs.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Huh? I admittedly didn't hear the radio show, but OP said Ray was asked if Franklin "was bad for Hackenberg." He could have answered that question in any number of ways: bad fit for the system, ruined his mechanics, etc. Instead he chose to say Franklin was bad for Penn State. If you think that's "answering the question," we'll just disagree. To me it looks like Ray, an RU alum and broadcaster who clearly has no love lost for PSU, took the question as an opportunity to take a shot at Franklin's overall ability as a head coach. And again, he's entitled to believe Franklin's "bad for Penn State," just like I'm entitled to believe comments like that make Ray look like a small-time guy pushing an agenda for a struggling program that has now lost twice - once embarrassingly - to said bad coach.

I would hate toi be around you when you really are butt hurt lol

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

I would hate toi be around you when you really are butt hurt lol

Cool story. I'll take your lack of substantive rebuttal as evidence that you realized your interpretation of "answering a question" was in fact off. Happy to have helped.