OT: Ray Lucas throws a jab at James Franklin

[joshk ru03]

Huh? I admittedly didn't hear the radio show, but OP said Ray was asked if Franklin "was bad for Hackenberg." He could have answered that question in any number of ways: bad fit for the system, ruined his mechanics, etc. Instead he chose to say Franklin was bad for Penn State. If you think that's "answering the question," we'll just disagree. To me it looks like Ray, an RU alum and broadcaster who clearly has no love lost for PSU, took the question as an opportunity to take a shot at Franklin's overall ability as a head coach. And again, he's entitled to believe Franklin's "bad for Penn State," just like I'm entitled to believe comments like that make Ray look like a small-time guy pushing an agenda for a struggling program that has now lost twice - once embarrassingly - to said bad coach.

1) Maybe you don't know much about Ray, but that is how he speaks. From the hip and extremely honest. He is a bit rough around the edges, but that's why we love him. It had nothing to do with an agenda. If he has an opinion, he will give it to you straight.
2) That lost last year was hardly embarrassing. Look at the drubbings we got from the top teams in the conference.
Remember we are still Rutgers, we have taken many beatings...just working to change that now.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Cool story. I'll take your lack of substantive rebuttal as evidence that you realized your interpretation of "answering a question" was in fact off. Happy to have helped.

that makes no sense at all...

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

1) Maybe you don't know much about Ray, but that is how he speaks. From the hip and extremely honest. He is a bit rough around the edges, but that's why we love him. It had nothing to do with an agenda. If he has an opinion, he will give it to you straight.

And that's fine. I don't have a problem with Ray speaking his mind or sharing his opinions. If Ray thinks Franklin is bad for Penn State, more power to him. But I'll continue to think he looks bad, and his comments like sour grapes, considering the program Ray supports and broadcasts for has lost twice to undermanned teams coached by Franklin.

Ultimately, it's nothing more than fodder on a random Thursday as we all wait for kickoff, but sometimes people like Ray need someone to tell them to keep quiet. I only wish Michael Kay would have followed up and asked Ray why Franklin was bad for Penn State. Then we could have had some fun, I'm sure.

 

[RUBOB72]

Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.

It would be better if you didn't troll on the Rutger 's board...

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

It would be better if you didn't troll on the Rutger 's board...

If you think I'm a troll you haven't been paying attention.

 

[MADHAT1]

Penn State took the sanctions and follwed them. If they had lawyers up they still be battling them now because the NCAA would have to follow their own guidelines. People forget that the lawsuits were not from Penn Statw but from outside people.

Right , nothing that could be officially connected to Penn St. [winking]

 

[miketd1]

sometimes people like Ray need someone to tell them to keep quiet.

Go ahead. He is easy to locate.

 

[MADHAT1]

If you think I'm a troll you haven't been paying attention.

Wish you wouldn't be on this board as often as you are, but with all the threads dedicated to Penn St, can see why you are.
But when you say you didn't listen to the radio show, that just proves you're going to nitpick what RU fans say about it in order to defend what's said about him without really knowing what you're defending against.
I wouldn't say you're a troll, but when it comes to threads like this you act like a troll , putting down Rutgers, in your defense of everything Nit, instead of sticking to the issue
and half baked arguments about subjects you have minimal knowledge of.

But when a thread about Penn St is started, Nit supporters should be expected to become involved . Also Scarlet Nation members shouldn't be surprised to see a Rutgers putdown in response to something related in a very minor way to how Rutgers preformed against Penn St.

I'm beginning to think of Nit posters like you as being from Petty State University when I see Rutgers bashed by those like you in threads that are not about the games between RU & PSU, but how the Nit HC is assessed on the way he runs the Nit FB program
Though you're not a troll ( in my opinion ), you act like one far too often when defending everything Nit

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Go ahead. He is easy to locate.

I don't communicate with "celebrities" on Twitter. I leave that to the crazies.

 

[MADHAT1]

Cheesesteak Vegas said: ↑
sometimes people like Ray need someone to tell them to keep quiet.

Go ahead. He is easy to locate.

Think the best advice Cheesesteak could get from members of this board is:

 

[joshk ru03]

That was kind of my point he will never be quiet. That is who he is.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Wish you wouldn't be on this board as often as you are, but with all the threads dedicated to Penn St, can see why you are.
But when you say you didn't listen to the radio show, that just proves you're going to nitpick what RU fans say about it in order to defend what's said about him without really knowing what you're defending against.

Didn't an RU fan start this thread and state that Ray took a shot at Franklin when asked a question about Hackenberg? I assume OP has no reason to make the conversation up. I didn't come here and start commenting on Ray's comments out of thin air.

I wouldn't say you're a troll, but when it comes to threads like this you act like a troll , putting down Rutgers, in your defense of everything Nit, instead of sticking to the issue
and half baked arguments about subjects you have minimal knowledge of.

I'm not putting down Rutgers or failing to stick to the issue. My point is Ray, or anyone really, looks silly when he calls someone "bad" when his own program has yet to beat that person. Those are the facts, not the comments of a troll.

I'm beginning to think of Nit posters like you as being from Petty State University when I see Rutgers bashed by those like you in threads that are not about the games between RU & PSU, but how the Nit HC is assessed on the way he runs the Nit FB program
Though you're not a troll ( in my opinion ), you act like one far too often when defending everything Nit

To each his own. I'm just here to share my opinions. Like Ray.

 

[mdh2003]

To each his own. I'm just here to share my opinions. Like Ray.

Nobody pays you for your opinions and you never played in the NFL. You don't need to whine like a bitch every time psu gets slammed. Go home little girl.

 

[Psu2014]

Even with the reduction the PSU sanctions were still tougher than any others in history outside of SMU.

Exactly. If Rutgers had our sanctions, Highpoint would be a parking lot by now.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Nobody pays you for your opinions and you never played in the NFL. You don't need to whine like a bitch every time psu gets slammed. Go home little girl.

Glad to know an SNY paycheck has made Ray Lucas a college football expert. His college and pro careers certainly did not.

Again, I understand. Ray has an axe to grind against PSU, just like most RU fans, except he also went 0-4 against them on the field. I'm just saying, maybe his comments would carry more weight if/when RU ever actually beats Franklin. You know, since he's so bad.

That's all for me on this one. Fortunately there's actual football on tomorrow night.

 

[srru86]

The Nit cultists are about as likely to convince us that Ray doing what he gets paid to do, opine on sports, is off putting as we are in going over to the cult boards and saying Franco Harris looks like a whack job.

Onward State
Alumni Association Criticized For Withholding Franco Harris Speech Video

 

[MADHAT1]

Didn't an RU fan start this thread and state that Ray took a shot at Franklin when asked a question about Hackenberg? I assume OP has no reason to make the conversation up. I didn't come here and start commenting on Ray's comments out of thin air.



I'm not putting down Rutgers or failing to stick to the issue. My point is Ray, or anyone really, looks silly when he calls someone "bad" when his own program has yet to beat that person. Those are the facts, not the comments of a troll.



To each his own. I'm just here to share my opinions. Like Ray.

These posts by you prove my point and your excuses don’t hold water.
You're just trying to claim you weren't being petty in your replies and didn't bash Rutgers to make an unneeded point by trying to make it more about Rutgers/Penn St than the general overall assessment of the type of program Franklin has at PSU.

You posted:
Sounds to me like Ray should worry about his own alma mater, the one Franklin is 2-0 against while working through the worst sanctions ever instituted outside of SMU.
( If you think that you should follow your own advice)

This statement by you is ridiculous because you don’t know the question asked and only going by your interpretation of something you really don’t know about. > He was asked about Hack in relation to Franklin. He chose to make a more overarching statement. And I'm not butt hurt; I just think it makes Ray look stupid.<

Defense by offense and like I said getting off the real issue to use a bash to prove a misguided troll like point.
>"I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs? He's entitled to his opinion, but when you have no credibility and your team has lost to Franklin twice, it comes off as sour grapes" <

Don't think I'll believe your statement >" I'm just here to share my opinions. Like Ray"
You are hear because you don't like what you think, but don't really know, Ray said
and feel the need to defend everything Nit in a petty way.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

The Nit cultists are about as likely to convince us that Ray doing what he gets paid to do, opine on sports, is off putting as we are in going over to the cult boards and saying Franco Harris looks like a whack job.

Onward State
Alumni Association Criticized For Withholding Franco Harris Speech Video

He's another guy who'd benefit from a muzzle.

 

[mdh2003]

Glad to know an SNY paycheck has made Ray Lucas a college football expert. His college and pro careers certainly did not.

Again, I understand. Ray has an axe to grind against PSU, just like most RU fans, except he also went 0-4 against them on the field. I'm just saying, maybe his comments would carry more weight if/when RU ever actually beats Franklin. You know, since he's so bad.

That's all for me on this one. Fortunately there's actual football on tomorrow night.

Meh. Your first response was better. I was going to like it but you deleted it.

Since you double downed on your drivel, no likey for you. PS - stop whining.

 

[MADHAT1]

Exactly. If Rutgers had our sanctions, Highpoint would be a parking lot by now.

If Rutgers protected someone like Sandusky , the University would hasve been shut down.
Penn St survived because of a cult that did everything they could to protect the Penn St
football program without regard to anything else.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

If Rutgers protected someone like Sandusky , the University would hasve been shut down.
Penn St survived because of a cult that did everything they could to protect the Penn St
football program without regard to anything else.

A. Rutgers would not have been shut down. Hyperbole much?

B. Penn State, the university, survived because, well, why wouldn't it? Nothing that happened, even if you believe in the worst of the theories, has anything to do with the academic side, or really 99% of anything at PSU. Penn State, the football program, survived because it was built on a strong foundation, has tremendous support, and was fortunate enough to have a group of senior leaders who kept the team together at a time when it easily could have crumbled due to players' ability to transfer without penalty.

Everything on the outside was just noise.

 

[miketd1]

I don't communicate with "celebrities" on Twitter. I leave that to the crazies.

That's fine. You can tell him to his face. Ray seems the type who would prefer it that way anyway.

 

[buffalochicken21]

The Peds did not receive the worst sanctions since SMU, the USC Trojans received worse penalties and more scholarship reductions for an infraction that was not even close to 40 years of covered up child rape. That is an absolute travesty.

And they may not have lawyered up, but the Ped State board begged and pleaded with the NCAA late into the night to stop them from the delivering the death penalty that had already been decided upon. It's absolutely disgusting on both parties that the death penalty that was so deserved, was not delivered.

But please, Penn State cultists, keep coming here with your noses turned to us and telling us we're wrong. We love having you here. It's great to know you've got so much going on in your lives that you have to come on another school's message board and play elitist college football fans to us know nothing's here at Rutgers. You guy's definitely aren't out of your freaking minds.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

That's fine. You can tell him to his face. Ray seems the type who would prefer it that way anyway.

Maybe I'll take some time out of my tailgate on November 19 and track him down.

 

[miketd1]

Maybe I'll take some time out of my tailgate on November 19 and track him down.

Please let me know if you proceed accordingly. I would definitely take time from my tailgate to watch you call Ray stupid to his face.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

The Peds did not receive the worst sanctions since SMU, the USC Trojans received worse penalties and more scholarship reductions for an infraction that was not even close to 40 years of covered up child rape. That is an absolute travesty.

And they may not have lawyered up, but the Ped State board begged and pleaded with the NCAA late into the night to stop them from the delivering the death penalty that had already been decided upon. It's absolutely disgusting on both parties that the death penalty that was so deserved, was not delivered.

But please, Penn State cultists, keep coming here with your noses turned to us and telling us we're wrong. We love having you here. It's great to know you've got so much going on in your lives that you have to come on another school's message board and play elitist college football fans to us know nothing's here at Rutgers. You guy's definitely aren't out of your freaking minds.

Dude, calm down. I suggest you do two things.

First, take a look at the USC and PSU sanctions again.

Then, read this, from a USA Today piece written ahead of Corman v. NCAA:

"But in recalling those days in a deposition taken Dec. 8, six days after Emmert's, Oregon State president Ed Ray, who in 2012 was president of the executive committee, said talk of the death penalty for Penn State never gathered strong support. Ray said the committee discussed such a severe penalty twice – coming to no consensus the first time and voting against it overwhelmingly four days later.

Ray said he could not remember the vote outcome, "but if you told me it was 19 to 2, I would believe you."

The death penalty was never a serious option, especially because then PSU would have fought and forced the NCAA to follow its actual enforcement guidelines, ultimately leading - in all likelihood - to no penalties at all. Emmert claiming the death penalty was on the table is a convenient way to save face for the fact that he negotiated these penalties with PSU because (a) he knew the NCAA had little actual ground to stand on but wanted to appease the pitchfork crowd and (b) PSU was desperate and willing to do anything to start moving forward. In the end, everyone looked bad.

 

[buffalochicken21]

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/...ickson-said-school-faced-4-year-death-penalty

Sorry bud, the death penalty was on the table and should have been delivered.

 

[PatrickRU92]

 

[buffalochicken21]

Does this guy have a job? Honestly what does he do that he has the time to come over here and argue minute by minute?

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/...ickson-said-school-faced-4-year-death-penalty

Sorry bud, the death penalty was on the table and should have been delivered.

If you want to believe Emmert on this one, that's on you.

Please alert the courts that Ed Ray perjured himself.

 

[MADHAT1]

(a) >
Cheesesteak Vegas said: ↑
I don't communicate with "celebrities" on Twitter. I leave that to the crazies.

(b) >
Cheesesteak Vegas said: ↑
Maybe I'll take some time out of my tailgate on November 19 and track him down.
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a& b =
[roll]

 

[beaced]

So original.

I'm just saying, Ray clearly has an agenda. I get it. It is what it is. But can his alma mater at least go .500 in the league one year before he runs his mouth about what's good and bad for other programs? He's entitled to his opinion, but when you have no credibility and your team has lost to Franklin twice, it comes off as sour grapes.

So what's the matter with a good bottle of VINEGAR?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I don't remember that at all. But I admit I could be wrong.

yeah.. that story that we were going after Franklin.. who was in the middle of a rape investigation.. total BS.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

If you think I'm a troll you haven't been paying attention.

while I welcome visitors.. someone who seems to hang out on an opponents board begs the question... are you just monitoring what Rutgers people say about Penn State so you can run back to BWI and tell everyone?

Nah.. must be because we are so smart about everything here.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I'm not putting down Rutgers or failing to stick to the issue. My point is Ray, or anyone really, looks silly when he calls someone "bad" when his own program has yet to beat that person. Those are the facts, not the comments of a troll.

Ray Lucas is right. And it would be best for Penn State to listen to him. Franklin is vapor... empty headset. He is not the Wizard of Happy Valley.. he is the man behind the curtain putting on a show. The sooner you PSU fans come around o that idea the sooner you'll get a coach who can get er done.

Consider Bama.. how many coaches did they have to go through to get to the point where they just opened up the vaults and bought a national championship winning Saban?

Certainly if Rutgers' Ash begins to beat Franklin.. as Flood certainly should have if he weren't also an empty headset.. then you'll see that Ray Lucas is correct.

 

[theRU]

Can't wait to beat penn state this year. It will be sweet.

 

[shields]

He was 0-4 so Ray can't say anything? And he played in pros which I am sure you never did. And he played vs PSU when disgusting Sandusty was coaching PSU.

 

[jsol_05]

That's isn't a jab by Ray. It's a right cross to the mouth. And it hurts because it's true.

Guys what I am afraid of is State Penn having a great year. JF inherited Hack, he now has a QB that can run his system and a new OC that knows what he is doing. I know we love to hate on State Penn but I actually think he will turn the corner this year. I hope I am wrong.

 

[chase07470]

Glad to know an SNY paycheck has made Ray Lucas a college football expert. His college and pro careers certainly did not.

Again, I understand. Ray has an axe to grind against PSU, just like most RU fans, except he also went 0-4 against them on the field. I'm just saying, maybe his comments would carry more weight if/when RU ever actually beats Franklin. You know, since he's so bad.

That's all for me on this one. Fortunately there's actual football on tomorrow night.

Franklin is a salesman, not a football guy. He relies on other people who come and go, to coach the team. Not a recipe for success in this era and certainly not for a guy who is obnoxious, makes excuses, lies and therefore has trouble keeping a staff together.

He's going to run that program into the ground before he's through.

 

[mktman]

Franklin is a salesman, not a football guy. He relies on other people who come and go, to coach the team. Not a recipe for success in this era and certainly not for a guy who is obnoxious, makes excuses, lies and therefore has trouble keeping a staff together.

He's going to run that program into the ground before he's through.

That's actually pretty inaccurate...Franklin has had great staff continuity with virtually no turnover until last year. It's hard to argue that the losses of the OC and OL coach will hurt - the news guys can't possibly be any worse.