OT: Ray Lucas throws a jab at James Franklin
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You've been posting here long enough to know this year is the honeymoon period and if RU doesn't go to a bowl game some, not many, radical posters after season is over will be looking for a divorce from Ash and threads suggesting possible replacements would be started.
Kyle Flood, ( if I remember correct), was knocked from the moment he was hired by some of the RU faithful and winning seasons didn't stop that.
Even making Rutgers the co: Champion of the Big East didn't gain him much support
the way RU ended (9-4) their first season under Flood
Ash loading up on talent won't save him from being bashed, that talent will be used as proof he can't coach if he doesn't win and he'll be called : just another pretty face ( good recruiter) without a brain ( coaching ability) when the doom and gloomers decide to make him their target.
Even the optimistic RU fans might decide that Ash must go if he doesn't have a winning record his second year.
Patience is preached , but seldom followed on this board.
Hopefully most RU fans give Ash a longer leash than that. Programs aren't built overnight, or in one or two years.
Right now with all the love being shown to Ash by Scarlet Nation members, I would say your hope should come true and everyone will understand making RU a good FB program isn't going to be done overnight
But part of me remembers how Ash was treated by some RU fans when he didn't rush to New Brunswick the moment he was hired as the Scarlet Knights HC but stayed in Columbus to help prepare the Buckeyes for their bowl game
Getting the smaller more realistic goals (winning the press conference, building a solid class, increase donations, build bridges with the NJ HSs, etc.) under his belt will buy him more time. So far, he's batting close to 1.000.
So, with a fairly easy schedule this year and a couple of years worth of his guys plus some highly rated OB kids. You should find out if Franklin can actually coach. Needs to go over 8 wins. And you guys shouldn't even be satisfied with that.
Not sure how "fairly easy" a schedule is when half of it is against Pitt, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan State ... but I am cautiously optimistic that this can be an 8-4 team. That would set up the program nicely heading into 2017, which is the year most around the program have had circled as the year to get back to competing for B1G championships. Even 7-5 would be acceptable this season as long as the losses were competitive and the offense looks competent throughout. It's hard for me to expect 9-10 wins until I see an OL that isn't a turnstile in cleats.
Stop with the saction garbage. Penn State gets 50 million a year from the Big1g and we get 8 million. Come talk to me when we are on a level playing field. Btw your program should have gotten the death penalty
Academic side? Wasn't the President of the University complicit in the cover up. If he goes to that degree to cover up a football coach, cannot imagine what he has done on academic side
I'd be more impressed with that if the financial disparity allowed PSU to sign the best high school players to large contracts each year. It's not even worth debating the sanctions any further because if you don't understand what kind of impact scholarship reductions can have on a college football roster there isn't much I can do to help you. Btw, Rutgers will never be on a level playing field as PSU in terms of finances, so please find other excuses.
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OK, buddy. You're proving more dense here than I realized even after your comments insinuating the sanctions didn't hinder PSU at all. Students are still receiving the same academic experience they always have, and they'll continue to do so once the state drops the remaining charges against Spanier. The idea that PSU or any university would shut its doors over something like the Sandusky scandal is absurd.
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Maybe not forever - we've sort of been there, done that - but a decade or so would be fantastic. Thanks for the support.
We paid our high school level coach less than a million dollars a year. One of the lowest in FBS while Franklin makes over 5 million, and we still almost beat you. Besides, in 2014, you still had all of your seniors, juniors and sophomores. Let's see what happens under Ash, a real football coach. He already has chased Franklin clear out of Jersey recruiting
Yup, we will see. Also, I wouldn't get too giddy about Penn State's presence in NJ, or lack thereof, just yet. Expect PSU to be very involved and get their fair share with the 2018 and 2019 cycles.
Since you brought it up, let's see how many kids who signed with RU in the '16 class or are currently committed to RU in the '17 class had/have PSU offers:
2016: None.
2017: Bo Melton (an RU legacy), Micah Clark (RU also took his brother whose only other offer is from ODU)
Now, would you care to look up how often the reverse is true?
Ash has built a nice class this cycle, and it goes without saying it's a huge improvement over Flood, but let's not act as if he's setting the recruiting trail on fire.
2016: None.
2017: Bo Melton (an RU legacy), Micah Clark (RU also took his brother whose only other offer is from ODU)
Now, would you care to look up how often the reverse is true?
Ash has built a nice class this cycle, and it goes without saying it's a huge improvement over Flood, but let's not act as if he's setting the recruiting trail on fire.
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How come you complain about lack of scholarships but you don't even address the discrepancy in salaries. Your dc made more money than our head coach
Ash has done a phenomenal job in just one year. He had a hUGE mess to clean. The NJ border will soon be closed to Franklin.
This article is about the new PSU President
Why did Penn State hire the president of football-rape-probe-cover-up U?
>Now, it's important to be clear. The article does not spell out any specific wrongdoing by Barron, but its raises serious questions about Florida State's culture while he was in charge.<
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...the-president-of-Football-Rape-Coverup-U.html
Cheesecake Vegas is long gone now. He couldn't defend my statement regarding coaching disparity nor this. What happened at FSU was as bad a cover up as pSU. I suggest you watch The Hunting Ground if you have any doubt
We make as much profit simply from our gate as you do overall. Cry me a river about a level playing field. If you didn't like it, you could have stayed where you were. Maybe you should get some donors to step up and support your football program.
You are one rustled dude.
I'm here. Careful about throwing stones considering a year ago the talk on here was "Rutgers men" and Flood being different. GMAFB. Dude was a total scumbag like half the other coaches out there.
Some of you guys crack me up.
That's because you don't get donor support. We had a guy donate $110M to build a hockey facility and go from club to NCAA. You don't have that type of support for your athletics. That's your problem.
Your buddy is crying a river over a level playing field in regards to scholarships so I retorted that I would take the loss in scholarships for the amount of money you get from the BIG1g.
We will be so much better off once Ash starts to get his own players and get the BIG1g money. Then we will see what happens on the field.
We had our own OL problems from 2009 - 2012. No one feels sorry for you especially with the "superior" recruiting you've enjoyed over the likes of one Kyle Flood.
Maybe the 2nd harshest sanctions, but far and away the most hideous crime and scandal, ruining the lives of dozens of young men for the sake of a football program's reputation.
Yea because you have a cult in State College that was created over a fictional character that turned out to be the wizard of oz
Yeah, pretty nice. Rutgers would be a perfect school for hockey but let's be real. You can't even get enough money to support the athletics you currently have.
I would guess I could ask 10 people on the street about Rutgers and they wouldn't even know where it is located.
Well, he's dead and we still make as much profit from our gate as you do overall.
Maybe that superior recruiting is what allowed us to beat RU both times. More of the same a few months down the road.
Maybe somebody should step up
we have to compete with 3 local pro hockey teams, 2 football teams and 2 basketball teams. PSU has nothing but cow kicking to compete with
Because he buIlt the program under a charade. The infrastructure wasn't ruined...just a bunch of kids lives
Let me ask you a question. How does a guy with an Ivy League education never hear about homosexual sex before.
And 2 pro baseball teams. These arguments are silly. For all PSU's tradition and resources they haven't had a noteworthy season to their standards since 2008 and they know it too. That's why you hear excuses about sanctions, O'Brien's recruiting classes (which if I recall at the time were much heralded given the circumstances) and their OL. Boo effing hoo. We endured our own s#it OL and a buffoon for a head coach for 4 seasons. And played in 3 different conferences in 3 seasons at one point which may not matter to you but talk about having no familiarity with your opponents. And while I'm not as anti-PSU/Sandusky/Paterno as many people on here are, I have no sympathy for the sanctions that were issued. Don't like the B1G? Tough s#it. Go play in the ACC or the Big 12. Maybe the commissioner and the refs in those conferences won't be out to get you.
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Beating RU every year is delicious. Last year was particularly tasty as I watched that tiny red dot on the W 20 yard line appropriately sit in the rain while watching their team get absolutely destroyed. Such high hopes
There it is. So in other words, RU athletics is irrelevant. Is that what you're saying?
Because we had a coach who couldn't coach or recruit. That was our sanctions. It's a new era buddy. Let's wait and see how Franklin does against a real coaching staff
It pretty much was irrelevant under Flood and pre Schiano. I wonder how irrelevant PSU would have been without Paterno.
I am still very proud of my degree, my time at RU and my career. I will not trade that for any college experience
I don't want to go any further with this...you guys wins. I do have to comment on this part though.
This has been what PITT fans say every year. The problem with the argument is it has many flaws. First of all, the Steelers play on Sunday. PITT plays on Thursday or Saturday. Therefore it isn't a calendar conflict. Second of all...and I don't know what your tickets cost...the cost of PITT tickets are a joke. Most PSU fans going to the game actually bought season tickets because it was cheaper than buying a single ticket for the PSU game on StubHub. You can get tickets for PITT games for $10.
The reason no one gives a shet about PITT football is because their product sucks and Yinzers are the most band wagon fans there are. Just look at where the Pirates were in attendance for 15 years before they got good. People didn't go because the product was terrible and they didn't win.
NYC and NJ is a heavily populated area and RU has a lot of alumni. IMO the support isn't there because RU isn't very good (no flame).
Just watch and see what happens with your wrestling attendance in the next few years. It will sky rocket because RU is going to be a legit program.
Back and forth was fun. Have a good night.
