Hard to imagine Rowan becoming the #2 public in NJ, as it's far behind TCNJ and NJIT in terms of academics and rankings (not to mention R-Newark and R-Camden). Putting Rowan in the same stratosphere as VT and MSU is wild and I can't imagine they ever get there.
If we want to keep New Jersey high school graduates in the state, then there have to be places in the state for them to attend. There aren't nearly enough college seats in the state to accommodate high school graduates. So, yes, we need public institutions to become bigger. Right now, Montclair has more undergrads than Rowan. Maybe that will change as Rowan expands. As to who is or becomes the #2 public institution in the state, it is interesting to speculate about but not really that important.
Smaller schools are suffering because they have to price themselves really high. I think it's probably more a matter of that than students preferring a large school experience.
Hmmm, difficult for me to believe that the center of the state population-wise is that close to the actual geographic center. I think even in the 2020s there is still a good bit more population in the northern half than in southern half.
Been 30+ years since a classmate in HS (top 5%) decided Harrisonburg, VA was somewhere they'd voluntarily spend 4 years and I'm still wondering all these years later what cachet JMU has. Short trips to hike around Shenandoah NP notwithstanding.
Wrong....With all the Community College relationships with Rowan in S. Jersey they own a good portion of NJ. If you have not been there recently you would not recognize. Great apartments and downtown life.
They just need to move up to D1 in all sports by 2030 to really take off IMO, and the way the school has invested in seemingly everything else, that seems to be a when, not an if. They'll need at least like a 3K basketball arena on or near campus. Their football stadium size is adequate for D1 FCS.
B1G affiliation has definitely helped RU-NB attract students it would likely not have a decade or so ago. RU academic rep is enhanced by rubbing elbows with schools like Michigan, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, OSU, and soon to be UCLA and USC in the B1G as opposed to Catholic schools that RU has nothing in common with in the BE or 2nd/3rd rate state schools like Temple in the AAC. Case in point is RU building the largest Cancer Hospital in the state of NJ in downtown NB. There's zero chance that project comes to light without B1G affiliation.
You have just explained very well why the academic administration strongly believed even twenty years ago that Rutgers should become part of the B1G.
Here is information about finding the geographic center of New Jersey. A lot depends on whether you include the portions of the waters surrounding New Jersey that are part of its boundaries. https://www.state.nj.us/dep/njgs/enviroed/infocirc/NJCentersIC.pdf
LMAO, what's wrong? The facts clearly show that Rowan is far behind TCNJ and NJIT academically and in rankings. Below are the US News rankings and SAT ranges. Also, Montclair actually has a slightly higher undergrad enrollment 16,093 vs 15,147 for Rowan.
We were talking about large universities. Not suitcase schools with nothing to do.
Notice Rowan's SAT numbers are better than Rutgers-Camden's or Rutgers-Newark's.
And Montclair State and Stockton. I got my Masters at NJIT and no one seemed to live on campus in mid-90's.
Stockton stinks academically. They're what Rowan was in the early 2000s. Their only selling point is the ability to go to school 10 mins away from AC and the South Jersey Shore Points, which does nothing for students outside of maybe September in the fall semester.
Not any direct hospital affiliations afaik and I believe the only medical education that CNJ offers is a nursing program (undergrad & graduate). That said, the school still does sponsor a 7-yr accelerated Bachelor-MD program in conjunction with Rutgers (and previously UMDNJ) NJMS in Newark which has been ongoing for at least the past 30 years.
Things have changed a bit in nearly 30 years (just like at ol' Glassboro State College, right?), though probably not as rapidly for NJIT (more constrained by their urban campus) as it has for Rowan and their ambitious leadership. Good for both schools to be expanding where possible.
Oh, I should have realized you were talking about TCNJ and other small publics as perhaps losing ground to Rutgers because students may increasingly be preferring larger schools. My bad.
There’s only 32 Vet schools with limited enrollment(around 150 each per year) in the US. They’ll have full classes from day 1 to the foreseeable future. Many Vets couldn’t even get into schools in the US. Not because they didn’t have the grades but because there’s no availability.
Not sure of cost yet for Rowan Vet school but hoping they give some preference to NJ students first.
Understood. But a school with 18 varsity sports and 623 varsity athletes, majorit of which live on campus, means a vibrant social scene on campus. Also means “brand recognition” for Rowan as younger high school students see their teammates that are seniors ”committing“ to Rowan. Think about all the high school athletes in NJ that don’t go on to play college sports and are subconsciously influenced by seeing their buddies, and top players from their high school teams, heading to Rowan. There’s a trickle down effect
Rowan is public, and so NJ residents will get a break on tuition as they do at other public universities in New Jersey, including in professional schools. (Law school tuition at Rutgers, for instance, is far less for residents than on-residents, and the same is true at the medical school.)
Their soccer games are very busy with younger travel soccer fans much like Rutgers soccer.
Just for comparison's sake, in-state tuition at Rutgers' medical school is approximately $40K and out-of-state is $60K. But keep in mind that many professional school students from out of state are old enough that they can often qualify for in-state tuition in a year or two.
Who says they have to only work in NJ?
www.myvetcandy.com
No one is being drafted to go to Rowan's or any other vet school. Any applicant is a senior in college or more, and presumably is mature enough to make his or her own informed decisions on the basis of publicly-available information, including the data you cite."Break" is generous, especially relative to the abysmal and atrocious salaries for law clerks and residents in NJ.
At least, in those cases, long term, the degrees tend to pay off. But the average salary for vets nationally as I posted before is just over 100k. Now you're going to have kids who may carry 4 years of debt plus whatever the vet school costs.
Over the last twenty years, average veterinarian debt has tripled. According to the AVMA the class of 2019 had an average of $183,302 in loans, while the mean veterinary salary, is only $99,250 (Bureau of Labor Statistics). And $183,302 is the average debt, some students have loans in excess of $400k.
The high cost of a veterinary degree leave many of us with unpayable debt
Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal released an article chronicling the increasing struggles of high cost professional degrees such as veterinarians and dentists and the extreme high debt load attached to those careers. The WSJ found 76% of professional programs leave grads with
Women are taking over the profession their passion for animals far outweighs what they’ll make. Also there’s simply no farm vets in the state. We got lucky a women just opened up a practice here in Howell 2 yrs.ago. Before that we had to be careful with the animals we got. As getting someone out here was close to impossible.
That was different. The market for recent law school grads abruptly collapsed. With vet school, people know what they're getting into. If anything, the demand for vets is getting better as people cosset their "fur babies."
