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Fake news. If you have money, not margin, you can buy it. People are just too dumb to realize they are buying in margin.
Got it, thanks for the clarification. GME can up fine on E-Trade, no restrictions that I could tell.
 
I briefly read it last night.

Head of Melvin is a former Cohen protege.

After all this, Mevlin got a 3b bailout.
About 1b of it came from Cohen's hedge fund.

"New owner Steve Cohen’s hedge fund, Point72 Asset Management, invested $750 million alongside a $2 billion investment from Citadel into Melvin Capital – which held a short position on the GameStop stock and suffered huge losses before closing out of the stock by Wednesday morning."



https://clutchpoints.com/mets-owner...in-capital-amid-gamestop-reddit-stock-fiasco/
 
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Fake news. If you have money, not margin, you can buy it. People are just too dumb to realize they are buying in margin.
Are you talking about Robinhood? They absolutely have blocked people from buying it this morning before opening. I'm not attempting to buy in margin and have the money sitting in my account, and cannot buy it. In fact, if you search for any of these stocks on Robinhood, they don't even come up anymore.
 
I think Robinhood is going to have some problems once the dust clears. Seems investors can trade these stocks on other established platforms.
 
There is no correlation between what is going on in gamestop and what happens in the overall market. The media is trying to spin it as gamestop, AMC, BB, BBBy and others are the cause for the selloff. No correlation between gamestop which even at its outrageous valuation and the stock market as a whole which is valued in the trillions. Your portfolio is going to go down when our current overlords in washington institute enough terrible policies that it begins affecting businesses. They are well on their way to that goal but it will take some time for them to finally sink the market.

That's not necessarily true. If the losses at the hedge funds cause them to liquidate their highly leveraged positions it could absolutely trigger a selloff.
 
No one wants to discuss TSLA’s numbers. For a company that can sell all the cars they can make, why did they keep cutting prices? To no one’s surprise, margin is narrowing because it’s a car company.
From the conf. call re: margins:
Supply chain disruption and factory shutdown due to covid
Model S and X lines shut down for remodel
Big increase in R&D: New battery line, transition to single piece body castings, new heat pump added for all models, updates to S & X, accelerated growth in service capacity.

"adjusting for pandemic inefficiencies and supply chain instability, we saw an improvement in auto gross margin"

Prices were cut on the older S and X to clear inventory. Prices are back up on the new, but I expect them to drop again once the single piece casting, structural battery pack, and new cells are added.
Every time Tesla improves manufacturing efficiencies, they pass some of those saving on to consumers. That's always been their mission. "Accelerate the transition to sustainable energy" Global demand far exceeds supply.

The short term "problem" for Tesla remains battery constraints. Perfect example is the Semi. Elon said they could start the semi right now if they had the batteries. They can't make and/or buy enough. Berlin and Austin will both have cell production capabilities, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a new battery factory sometime this year. Batteries, batteries, batteries.

Full Self Driving looking good. Only 1,000 people nationally are using the beta version. I was shocked the number was so low. Regulators keeping the number of beta testers low. Elon expects wide release this year. After wide release comes robotaxi network, again, pending regulatory approval. Robotaxi will be a money printing machine.

Elon open to licensing autonomy software.

Expecting more than 50% growth for 2021. Berlin and Austin ramp are on pace. Semi late this year. Cybertruck early 2022.
 
I mean Nancy pelosi can buy long dated leaps on stocks...she has more inside info and can approve bills to manipulate the market

yet..let’s go after the-retail trader
Is this news? Just dept just ended it’s investigation of GOP senator Burr for inside trading. Have and have nots.
 
I watched the full 33min interview last night.
Chamath is so FOS. so tired of multi-billions talking about being "men of the common man".
He really said all this is being done based on strong fundamentals for GME.
Also nice that the "retail investor" they brought on has over 100k invested in GMEM across various positions.
This isn't who the interviewer was talking about.
He is talking about the guy who sees "GME is going up" and then he buys in for a couple hundred or a couple thousands at $350.

Are the "Evil Hedge Funds" wrong and need further regulation? Sure.
But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
WSB and all these "retail investors" are using the same tactics to pump up the stock.
Are they really going to hold this stock for months?
No - and when the stock settles back down a lot of actual "retail investors" are going to lose money.

This is all a purely "f@ck the man" and has nothing to do with any actual companies or fundamentals.
Better question is - who pissed off Chamath/Musk and the rest of the Wall Street "outsiders" that they are targeting Melvin and Cohen?

Ha. Totally agree. That announcer was weak and could have shredded Chamath if he had a clue. Made his money off cheap leverage, disruption (aka putting other companies out of business) and SPAC's. Chamath acting like he is out for the working man is pure comedy.
 
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Are you talking about Robinhood? They absolutely have blocked people from buying it this morning before opening. I'm not attempting to buy in margin and have the money sitting in my account, and cannot buy it. In fact, if you search for any of these stocks on Robinhood, they don't even come up anymore.
Just read an article that lump RH, Interactive, TD and others. If true, RH is done.
 
This isn't true. Why lie? I don't have a margin account on RH and have $$$$ in my account and can't buy either AMC nor GME.
Wasn’t lying. Just relaying the what I read. All other brokerages are trading the stock based on my info. RH may be the exception. I don’t have an account so can’t verify. But I can verify that I can buy GME from all of my accts
 
Speaking about the market in general, while I don't wish for volatility, I'm hoping to take advantage of it and make some buys that drop my cost basis. I'm building positions on several new funds and yesterday was awesome! I'm a long-term guy, so anytime I can lower CBs, I am thrilled. :)
 
Don’t know how to add a picture but essentially have to think about hedge funds and how they manipulate everything

all of robinhood order flow goes through citadel(hedge fund). Citadel just put money into Melvin capital to help them cover their shorts. You think citadel wants to lose money??

citadel prob ordered robinhood to stop trading in specific. Names so they can protect the country club


It will be interesting to see what comes to the surface in the next few weeks. Citadel is on all sides of this issue. Griffin is shady but always gets away with it. The biggest issue that needs to be investigated (not by the SEC, of course they won't do anything) by the internet sleuths is how and who was lending out more shares than existed.
 
I could not disagree more strongly with this statement. Contrary to popular perception, short sellers are the police of bad corporate practices. More so than any agency, they uncover frauds or deceptive practices. I wouldn’t limit their ability to provide their findings any more than I’d prevent someone from touting a bullish opinion when they are long.

Agreed. As I recall it was Jim Chanos taking the time to read the footnotes while the regulators were asleep at the wheel that finally got people questioning what was going on at Enron. Without folks like Chanos who knows how much longer the Enron scam would've continued
 
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This isn't true. Why lie? I don't have a margin account on RH and have $$$$ in my account and can't buy either AMC nor GME.
Front page article on CNBC. Curb trading and in some cases, can only sell and not open new ones. You must be one of those cases.

Also, the stock has been halted several times. Keep trying? Good luck.
 
What's happening right now, this very instant, is history folks. Quite possibly the biggest "F you" to mainstreet by the establishment, EVER. Silenced speech, cut off purchase capacity (what hedge fund made the call there? Citadel?). Wow.

And I'm no occupy wall streeter. I'm just a suburban NJ guy. And I can see clear as day how egregious this one is. .
But muh free market
 
GME became way overvalued by momentum players buying. Those late to the "game" will get crushed. The value of a company is the discounted future cash flows that it produces. It has to drop and dramatically. You can be sure individual speculators who lose money will be crying when it happens. Those who were prevented from buying more will be quiet.
 
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I watched the full 33min interview last night.
Chamath is so FOS. so tired of multi-billions talking about being "men of the common man".
He really said all this is being done based on strong fundamentals for GME.
Also nice that the "retail investor" they brought on has over 100k invested in GMEM across various positions.
This isn't who the interviewer was talking about.
He is talking about the guy who sees "GME is going up" and then he buys in for a couple hundred or a couple thousands at $350.

Are the "Evil Hedge Funds" wrong and need further regulation? Sure.
But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
WSB and all these "retail investors" are using the same tactics to pump up the stock.
Are they really going to hold this stock for months?
No - and when the stock settles back down a lot of actual "retail investors" are going to lose money.

This is all a purely "f@ck the man" and has nothing to do with any actual companies or fundamentals.
Better question is - who pissed off Chamath/Musk and the rest of the Wall Street "outsiders" that they are targeting Melvin and Cohen?
You have it all wrong. I have been on WSB for over a year. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. In fact i did not act on anything touted by unknown people until GME. Why? because the thesis made sense. I read enough to make a educated decision to buy my 200 shares at $20/share. Others have read other things where they thought it was worth buying in at 40, 50, 150, 350 and so on. You know what all those people who bought higher than me have been proven correct and they have been rewarded. People are free to sell in their account for any reason they want and at any time. No one is Forcing them to do anything.
Wall Street Bets is simply a community of people who share ideas on stocks. people are free to make their own decisions to buy, sell or hold for what ever time period and price level a stock reaches. It is because some very smart people on WSB figured out Wall St. game that now you have the talking heads on CNBC, in the regulatory agencies saying things like "this can't go on" "we need to maintain the integrity of the markets", "This is a pump and dump scheme" and "We need to regulate so that things like Gamestop never happen again". The ONLY thing that is happening is regular joes are finally turning the scheme against those who have profited off the masses for decades and are making money at it. The powers that be don't like this change so of course they are going to fix it. We cannot have a wild group of individuals who want to make money on wall st. talking about stocks and getting rich while doing it. No, we cannot have that. The Wall St. crowd must control this situation so they are going to sic their regulatory freinds in FINRA and SEC on WSB to make sure that the game remains rigged so the common folk cannot win.
As I have stated I have been on WSB for over a year and never felt compelled to invest a dime in any of of the hundreds harebrained ideas that are touted daily on the sub. GME had a really good thesis and I felt i could make some money on the trade. It has worked out well beyond my wildest expectations. I hope GME goes to $1000. The nonsense being spouted on CNBC about how dangerous this is to investors is comedy gold. This network has for over a decade been one of the main outlets for hedgefund managers to manipulate stocks by touting or panning them on Squawkbox. For that privilege the hosts are given perks like interviews, tips, and rides on private jets to do their bidding. Now the little guy finally has a way to fight back and immediately the wall street crowd wants to shut it down. absolutely incredible hypocrisy!
 
Wink twins just got smoked on CNBC. Trying to push crypto with Fake news. The interviewer just blew it up in their face. Love it
 
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GME became way overvalued by momentum players buying. Those late to the "game" will get crushed. The value of a company is the discounted future cash flows that it produces. It has to drop and dramatically. You can be sure individual speculators who lose money will be crying when it happens. Those who were prevented from buying more will be quiet.
But gamma will save us all. The funny thing is that people are actually upset they can’t buy more.
 
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Front page article on CNBC. Curb trading and in some cases, can only sell and not open new ones. You must be one of those cases.

Also, the stock has been halted several times. Keep trying? Good luck.
I don't know why you seem to keep fighting this. Robinhood has stopped ANY purchases of these stocks. It's not "some cases" or "halted," NOBODY can buy these stocks on Robinhood and like I said, you can't even find them on Robinhood's search feature anymore. You can only get to it if you have it in your portfolio, and you can then only sell it. Before they made the stocks unsearchable, it didn't say the stocks were halted, it said they are "not supported on Robinhood." If you don't believe us, just Google it.
 
I could not disagree more strongly with this statement. Contrary to popular perception, short sellers are the police of bad corporate practices. More so than any agency, they uncover frauds or deceptive practices. I wouldn’t limit their ability to provide their findings any more than I’d prevent someone from touting a bullish opinion when they are long.
Where was this in 2008 when the SEC banned short selling on 1000 securities?
 
I don't know why you seem to keep fighting this. Robinhood has stopped ANY purchases of these stocks. It's not "some cases" or "halted," NOBODY can buy these stocks on Robinhood and like I said, you can't even find them on Robinhood's search feature anymore. You can only get to it if you have it in your portfolio, and you can then only sell it. Before they made the stocks unsearchable, it didn't say the stocks were halted, it said they are "not supported on Robinhood." If you don't believe us, just Google it.
Because he's a hedgie? He's just talking his book, and you're just a muppet.
 
I don't know why you seem to keep fighting this. Robinhood has stopped ANY purchases of these stocks. It's not "some cases" or "halted," NOBODY can buy these stocks on Robinhood and like I said, you can't even find them on Robinhood's search feature anymore. You can only get to it if you have it in your portfolio, and you can then only sell it. Before they made the stocks unsearchable, it didn't say the stocks were halted, it said they are "not supported on Robinhood." If you don't believe us, just Google it.
I’m not fighting it. Just letting you know where I’m getting the info. Since you called me a liar. I already stated that I don’t have an acct at RH. Time to open another acct.
 
Because he's a hedgie? He's just talking his book, and you're just a muppet.
Never been called a hedgie before. Thanks? I’m not a trader. I did short some TSLA before and got taken to the woodshed (shared on previous posts). It’s like online gambling but I get to write off the losses.
 
Where was this in 2008 when the SEC banned short selling on 1000 securities?

Where was what, exactly? If you’re referring to when shares of financial institutions were dropping like stones, well, those companies had exposures which were brought to light. I said this at the time, but removing certain rules such as the uptick rule was short sighted, and forced regulators to step in.
 
Where was what, exactly? If you’re referring to when shares of financial institutions were dropping like stones, well, those companies had exposures which were brought to light. I said this at the time, but removing certain rules such as the uptick rule was short sighted, and forced regulators to step in.
Ahh, the uptick rule, forgot about that. It was just plain dumb to remove it.
 
No sh*t. The major platform used by the short crushers are only allowed to close out their positions. They've set off the race for the exit a day before the Gamma Squeeze.
BINGO! Once again the Big Money and Regulators come in to save one of the big boys who was about to get crushed. It took Major market manipulation of not allowing people to buy GME to break the back of the longs before the Gamma. This is not good for anyone except Melvin, Citadel, and SAC. Citdel pays for the order flow from Robinhood and probably told them to "either stop buys or we will pull our order flow". This is a major breach of maintaining a fair and orderly market. Lawsuits are going to occur over this.
 
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Where was what, exactly? If you’re referring to when shares of financial institutions were dropping like stones, well, those companies had exposures which were brought to light. I said this at the time, but removing certain rules such as the uptick rule was short sighted, and forced regulators to step in.
Should hedge funds be permitted to load up on short positions on GME today?
 
I’m not fighting it. Just letting you know where I’m getting the info. Since you called me a liar. I already stated that I don’t have an acct at RH. Time to open another acct.
I didn't call you a liar, I've just been repeating myself that Robinhood blocked purchases because you keep saying things like "fake news," "if that's true," "some cases," "if you have money you can buy it," "too dumb to realize they're buying on margin," and "keep trying" as if you don't believe those of us who actually have Robinhood accounts and are telling you what's going on.
 
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But it’s so cool.
It was cool because they have no minimums and free trades, opening up the stock market to many people who previously couldn't afford it. Fortunately now, there are other brokerages that do that. Most of my money was with Vanguard, and I am now moving what I had in Robinhood over to my Vanguard account.
 
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