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OT Syracuse Pulling Offers

Here's the bottom line on this for all of you who find it perfectly acceptable to just dump kids.

If this happened to your son you would be furious and change your tune. If Babers or Harbaugh etc. pulled your kids scholarship a month or two weeks before signing today and you had to scramble just to get him a spot somewhere, potentially at a much lesser program, I would love to see you explain to us how "since the kids decommit all the time than the coaches have the right to pull scholarships also."
 
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Wow. For all the FAILs and LAMEs expected this to be a home run. Far from it...what a weak ass thread.

If the kids cannot play at this level, you are not doing them a favor by letting them in. They are better off playing at the appropriate level. If they are legit D1 recruits, they will find somewhere else to play. Of course it is nice to honor a scholarship, but if a coach feels he cannot do it, or the kid simply cannot play ball at Syracuse, so be it.
 
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In a perfect system, commitment would actually mean something. Since we seem to be seeing a lot more kids decommit, I really don't see all that much difference when the school does the same thing. Clearly, this whole thing has very little meaning without the LOI and we all see the big schools over offer all the time and then trim it when the deadline hits.
As for Ash not doing this, how sure can anyone here really be about him just telling some of them that they are not figuring in the new overall plan of things?
I no longer even concern myself with verbals. I only take real notice when they sign something.
 
After the "Rutgers guys" fiasco I thought we learned that Rutgers does a decent amount of the shady stuff that so many scoff about on here. I have a hard time believing, present or future, that Ash won't do something similar to this.
 
In this process there really isn't a need to actually "pull" an offer.

All the new coach needs to say is "Son, we will honor the offer but you are not in our plans. Come and try to compete, but we are bringing in some serious studs (even if you don't have have anyone else yet)."

The kid will bail or come and work his tail off to prove him wrong
 
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Something happened with Bah. Why would a kid with no P5 offers decommitt? Now it looks like he will have to go to Buffalo or Stony Brook. Makes no sense and I wonder if Ash gave him the talk.
 
Im hearing Cuse is not so hot on Holloway after all. Despite taking an official he could be the next decommit.
 
money3189 said:
Im hearing Cuse is not so hot on Holloway after all. Despite taking an official he could be the next decommit.
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Cuse should be thankful anybody would wanna go there. It's a bigger sizzling turd pile their than at UCONN. Babers couldn't even manage a press conference without embarrassing himself. I'm sure he'll pull Holloway's offer with like 3 days before signing day.
 
OriginalKnight said:
Cuse should be thankful anybody would wanna go there. It's a bigger sizzling turd pile their than at UCONN. Babers couldn't even manage a press conference without embarrassing himself. I'm sure he'll pull Holloway's offer with like 3 days before signing day.
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Your absolutely right. Such a crappy place. The only crappy place in the country. Why do they even have a program? Die sewercuse Die
 
AreYouNUTS said:
The class was ranked in the 50's let's not start making stuff up please.
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It was ranked higher than the 50's by a couple of sites. One was in the 30's which is not a bad ranking for Rutgers. IN 15 years, we'd been in the 20's maybe once? Are the kids finding other P5 schools because they all seem to be doing pretty well except for Bah. It wasn't a bad class.
 
OP has his panties in a bunch. This happens everywhere when a new coach is brought.
Just because a kid wants to play some place they are not entitled because of the dreams and wishes.
Coaches need to win to keep their jobs. They need their players not leftovers.
Do I feel bad for the kid. Yes. But that's life.
 
Ole Cabbagehead said:
Wow. For all the FAILs and LAMEs expected this to be a home run. Far from it...what a weak ass thread.

If the kids cannot play at this level, you are not doing them a favor by letting them in. They are better off playing at the appropriate level. If they are legit D1 recruits, they will find somewhere else to play. Of course it is nice to honor a scholarship, but if a coach feels he cannot do it, or the kid simply cannot play ball at Syracuse, so be it.
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Thanks for contributing nothing as usual. Now go stand in the corner.
 
WhiteBus said:
OP has his panties in a bunch. This happens everywhere when a new coach is brought.
Just because a kid wants to play some place they are not entitled because of the dreams and wishes.
Coaches need to win to keep their jobs. They need their players not leftovers.
Do I feel bad for the kid. Yes. But that's life.
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It's not always about your job. You could never work for HCCA.
 
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Ole Cabbagehead said:
Wow. For all the FAILs and LAMEs expected this to be a home run. Far from it...what a weak ass thread.

If the kids cannot play at this level, you are not doing them a favor by letting them in. They are better off playing at the appropriate level. If they are legit D1 recruits, they will find somewhere else to play. Of course it is nice to honor a scholarship, but if a coach feels he cannot do it, or the kid simply cannot play ball at Syracuse, so be it.
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It's a weak thread, but here you are participating. You really couldn't be more stupid. Wait..you probably could.
 
RUforlife said:
Is it honorable to offer a scholarship to a kid you don't think will be able to impact your program and have him ride the bench for his college career or be forced to transfer at some point? Not in my book. The honorable thing is to cut him loose and give him a chance to find a home that fits his abilities. Let's not kid ourselves, part of the reason Ash is honoring all of the commits is because it takes some recruiting pressure off of him and his staff.
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If a kid committed to the school, there is no way you can argue better for the kid or honorable. Fit his abilities? All schools have had walk-ons make the starting team and earn a scholarship. Many schools have had 4/5 stars unable to break the starting line-up - ride the pine or transfer. There is nothing honorable about pulling a kids scholarship, after he committed to it, as long as he can still play the game.
 
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Wow. For all the FAILs and LAMEs expected this to be a home run. Far from it...what a weak ass thread.

If the kids cannot play at this level, you are not doing them a favor by letting them in. They are better off playing at the appropriate level. If they are legit D1 recruits, they will find somewhere else to play. Of course it is nice to honor a scholarship, but if a coach feels he cannot do it, or the kid simply cannot play ball at Syracuse, so be it.
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You may have a minor point when a coaching change has been made, but a head coach should not offer a spot, have it accepted, then pull it back.... He obviously thought the player was good enough in the first place...

I also think a new coach should not pull offers, just have that sit down and tell him his chances of seeing the field are slim... If the kid wants to stay, he can..... It just seems like the right thing to do.
 
What a suck business. Find a nice D2/3 school and go there. 99 % never play again afte college anyway. Worry about getting your degree first.
 
Here is my take but I am bias on the subject. It does happen when there is a coaching change and this is WHY- many of us say earlier in the year that it DOES matter to recruits when all the talk is about a coach being on the hot seat. Many of you now saying it is ok for a coach to do this are the same guys who said a recruit should commit to the school and NOT the coach.. And now you know why that is just a stupid statement.
But as VKJ said, it happens with a coaching change and while it sucks, that is something you always need to consider.
For Ash, it has been said he would honor all of the commits...I believe he has but has been brutally honest with some kids on where they would stand on the depth chart if they stayed committed. This is the professional and human way to go about it.
JH on the other hand is doing it as is standard way of operating. He is complete dirtbag and hopefully it catches up to him. I believe his ways were turning off the Standford Boosters and the school before they parted ways.

Anyway- many kids are out there playing the same games but not all of them and I would say it is a small %. It is a part of the game that is starting to turn me off. And the fact that many fans are now forgetting that these are kids and very young men out there playing this game and each one is just starting their path in life and fans have completely dehumanized them. F-ing with a kid's life and future is not worth the price of admission.
 
Actually heard on friday that Holloway is a decommit. He hasnt publically annouced it. I expect him to commit to Rutgers.He is slim right now for a DE. I like his upside. Very athletic. Can potentially be another Turay
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
Here is my take but I am bias on the subject. It does happen when there is a coaching change and this is WHY- many of us say earlier in the year that it DOES matter to recruits when all the talk is about a coach being on the hot seat. Many of you now saying it is ok for a coach to do this are the same guys who said a recruit should commit to the school and NOT the coach.. And now you know why that is just a stupid statement.
But as VKJ said, it happens with a coaching change and while it sucks, that is something you always need to consider.
For Ash, it has been said he would honor all of the commits...I believe he has but has been brutally honest with some kids on where they would stand on the depth chart if they stayed committed. This is the professional and human way to go about it.
JH on the other hand is doing it as is standard way of operating. He is complete dirtbag and hopefully it catches up to him. I believe his ways were turning off the Standford Boosters and the school before they parted ways.

Anyway- many kids are out there playing the same games but not all of them and I would say it is a small %. It is a part of the game that is starting to turn me off. And the fact that many fans are now forgetting that these are kids and very young men out there playing this game and each one is just starting their path in life and fans have completely dehumanized them. F-ing with a kid's life and future is not worth the price of admission.
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Agree. The kids are neophytes at this, so I can be more forgiving of them changing their minds as they learn more about the process.

Unfortunately there are also more than a few high school prospects with questionable ethics, and there are more than a few coaches in the same boat.

Coach Harbaugh seems to be in that group, but who can know for certain.
 
Anyone that argues that kids decommit all the time so it is fair game for all of them, is using a method of "profiling" to lump all recruits into the same bucket and not be judged on their own.
If he was a kid visiting elsewhere, playing the recruiting game, not keeping up with studies or training, then he deserves anything that may happen. Or if there was a coaching change. This kid did none of those. His life is not grouped with the kids playing games, he is an individual who should be treated as such.
I did have a HC try to F with my step son's life and if you have never been through it, you wouldn't understand it. The other side of this, they could have let the kid know much earlier.
 
OriginalKnight said:
It's a weak thread, but here you are participating. You really couldn't be more stupid. Wait..you probably could.
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I must have done something right. You gave me two jerk off responses to the same post. FAIL.

Guess you forgot your post at 1am on Friday. Nice to see you double down. Jerk off.
 
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Look at the anger from a man over 55. How sad.
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Hah. Wrong again. To be honest, all the "FAIL" posts, I assumed you were the one over 55.

You have regularly responded to people's threads here with one word responses - "FAIL" and "LAME." Pretty funny you got all upset and defensive about somewhat calling your thread "weak." Guess you feel okay about dishing it out, but don't really like to be on the receiving end. You may have also noticed that along with my criticism that the thread was a weak attempt, which it was, I also made a legitimate point, about how its not helping the kids for a coach to honor the offer if he doesn't want them on the team. So at least I added something of substance.

You responded by saying I "contributed nothing as usual." I ignored that post. Then you came back a day later to respond a second time to the same post that I "couldn't be more stupid." Haha -- pretty sure you are the one who is mad. You responded with nothing, forgot you responded, then responded with nothing again. So you've shown what you're all about.
 
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Ole Cabbagehead said:
Hah. Wrong again. To be honest, all the "FAIL" posts, I assumed you were the one over 55.

You have regularly responded to people's threads here with one word responses - "FAIL" and "LAME." Pretty funny you got all upset and defensive about somewhat calling your thread "weak." Guess you feel okay about dishing it out, but don't really like to be on the receiving end. You may have also noticed that along with my criticism that the thread was a weak attempt, which it was, I also made a legitimate point, about how its not helping the kids for a coach to honor the offer if he doesn't want them on the team. So at least I added something of substance.

You responded by saying I "contributed nothing as usual." I ignored that post. Then you came back a day later to respond a second time to the same post that I "couldn't be more stupid." Haha -- pretty sure you are the one who is mad. You responded with nothing, forgot you responded, then responded with nothing again. So you've shown what you're all about.
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the bitterness in you is quite entertaining.
 
money3189 said:
Actually heard on friday that Holloway is a decommit. He hasnt publically annouced it. I expect him to commit to Rutgers.He is slim right now for a DE. I like his upside. Very athletic. Can potentially be another Turay
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Decent guy to take a shot on though not on my A list...Camden HS gives me academic red flag concerns..
 
OriginalKnight said:
go tell that to George Hegamin.
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Not sure but the CHS record in state is not good ..not trying to offend anyone from Camden cause neither is my old HS Belleville but some rise above it...refresh me on Hegamins academic standing..i know he was rather rangy and and a big boned 1st team all stater in FB..
 
NickyNewark51 said:
Not sure but the CHS record in state is not good ..not trying to offend anyone from Camden cause neither is my old HS Belleville but some rise above it...refresh me on Hegamins academic standing..i know he was rather rangy and and a big boned 1st team all stater in FB..
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He was just a top notch student who used to tutor other Camden kids. Before my time, but my father used to talk about him a lot.

I'm actually not disagreeing with you on Camden. Don't know their track record. Just brought him up because he was always described to me as the ideal student athlete and went to Camden High. Played for the Eagles too.
 
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OriginalKnight said:
He was just a top notch student who used to tutor other Camden kids. Before my time, but my father used to talk about him a lot.

I'm actually not disagreeing with you on Camden. Don't know their track record. Just brought him up because he was always described to me as the ideal student athlete and went to Camden High. Played for the Eagles too.
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Oh....good students can come from anywhere...genius don't know where there born but overachieve where ever they go to school...
 
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