OT: Tiger walks off course
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It was several years ago and it has nothing to do with his performance now.
As I stated - could be PR. I believe that the article was tied to speculation that he may not return to golf.
I was responding to a question regarding his relationship with his children. The point I was trying to make was that I recalled an article stating he was very involved with his kids. I was not trying to comment on his current level of golf - or his physical condition.
And while I used to root for Tiger, I am far from a 'Tigerbot'. I hardly follow golf anymore, but was a big Arnie fan growing up.
Tiger saved golf ? Sorry, but no.
He expanded golf to include people who had never played before. And he increased the payouts for PGA tour events, Yes.
But would the PGA Tour have not succeeded without Tiger ?
Sorry, but No.
o_O Where the hell did you get that total BS about Jack's generation?
In this thread
1. Tiger fans who are blinded by his play and think golf started in 1990
2. Crazy people (jtung)
3. Long time golfers who suggest the first two don't know everything.
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Agree. Part of the game. Pick it up if you can't keep pace but hit 200 times if you do keep pace.
And shit I was a 9 last year and I'll call me a hack.
Read Jack's crazy book My Golden Lesson. Control swings were taught for a long time by the top teaching pros. Because most golfers in that generation were not athletes. I'll get off your lawn now.
If you think guys weren't trying to hit it far in the early days you're nuts. The difference in distance is due to equipment improvements and a little bit of athletic improvement. Mostly equipment. That's why courses were lengthened due to equipment improvements. If it was even a little bit more than a little bit of athletic improvement Charles Barkley would be able to hit a golf ball. Go look up his swing.
Stay of my golf course too. ; )
Would not agree that anyone with a HCP of 10 or higher is a hack. Guess it also depends on the meaning we want to give Hack.
To me a Hack is someone who plays the game relatively poorly compared to other golfers.
I'm thinking that's someone who can't or rarely breaks 100 on a course from the white tees.
To me a Hack is someone who plays the game relatively poorly compared to other golfers.
I'm thinking that's someone who can't or rarely breaks 100 on a course from the white tees.
Yeah and us guys who don't take this golf thing all that seriously.
Basically I keep pace and drink a lot of beer and enjoy the day.
Exactly, what meaning do you want to give it....I'm a bit confused with my own definition so let me sort it out...
I'm always quite impressed with my brother in law who plays five times a year but hits solid shots and is usually in around 90. So, I wouldn't call him a hack. He's got talent, he just doesn't play.
But if I see guy playing all the time and I'm giving him four or more a side, then to me, he's a hack...meaning no matter how much he plays, he just isn't ever going to be a good player or even a decent one.
I would call a great player a 0-3 handicap. A good player is a 3-7. 8-10 is a decent player and anyone over that, who plays a lot, is a hack. Anyone who plays once in a while and gets around in four hours is fine in my book.
It's those guys I have to give strokes to and act like they beat me when they collect money at the end of match who I deride and insult....because they deserve it!
Duval, Zinger, Davis Love, Adam Scott, Sergio Garcia...are nah's? You're a tough grader. All of those guys on that list had a lot of game in their primes, won a lot of tournaments and made a lot of money All would have won in any era.
Thought this was interesting, Jack never won the Vardon award for lowest scoring average across a season. Here's a list of people who won it more than once:
- 9 wins
- Tiger Woods: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2013
- 5 wins
- Billy Casper: 1960, 1963, 1965, 1966, 1968
- Lee Trevino: 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1980
- 4 wins
- Arnold Palmer: 1961, 1962, 1964, 1967
- Sam Snead: 1938, 1949, 1950, 1955
- 3 wins
- Ben Hogan: 1940, 1941, 1948
- Greg Norman: 1989, 1990, 1994
- Tom Watson: 1977, 1978, 1979
- 2 wins
- Fred Couples: 1991, 1992
- Bruce Crampton: 1973, 1975
- Tom Kite: 1981, 1982
- Lloyd Mangrum: 1951, 1953
- Nick Price: 1993, 1997
- Rory McIlroy: 2012, 2014
Byron Nelson won 11 in a row, one of the great records in sports.
Tiger won seven in a row in 2006-2007, six in a row in 1999-2000, five in a row in 2007-2008. Ben Hogan was the only other golfer to win five in a row, which he did in 1948.
Tiger had three in a row in 2000 and in 2001. Jack only won three in a row once in his career, 1975.
Jack had the best career but hard to argue he reached a higher peak with his game than the domination that was TW.
You do know there are qualifications for the World Golf Hall of Fame? Right? Half the people you listed don't make it. A minimum 15 wins and a minimum 2 major wins including the TPC. Duval, Azinger, Garcia... dont even qualify. Than once qualified you need 75% of the votes to get in. Davis Love is barely qualified with 1 major and TPC.
And your Vardon Trophy arguement supports Jack in that he played among much better competitors than Tiger.
Hall of Fame or not, they are all supremely talented players who, imo, would have more in the "thinner" fields of Jack's era. And when you have one guy winning 7-10 tournaments in a year, that sort of cuts down on your chances by 20-30%...
Jack had Arnold, Gary Player and Billy Casper in the 60's and Trevino, Miller and Watson in the 70's. Tiger never had that second chapter so we missed him against Rory, DJ, Spieth and Day. He had Mickelson, Els and Singh who collectively won 13 majors to the Palmer,Player, Casper total of 18. But hard to imagine 5'5" 140 pound Gary Player winning nine majors during Tiger's era...
If that era was so great, it isn't reflected at all in the scoring averages. Between the time Snead and Hogan averaged under 70 in 1948-1950, only Palmer and Billy Casper (twice) averaged under 70 for a season until Trevino did it in 1980. Tiger is the only player to average under 68 for a season (twice), unthinkably good golf. Were the courses set up harder for that chapter? Never heard anyone suggest they were....And frankly, the argument for Jack, without ever averaging under 70 for a season, as being the greatest to ever play, is a tough one to make.
If you dont understand the dramtic changes in equipment and conditions I can't help your narrow viewpoint. You keep bringing it up and ignore the facts. I was an Assitant Pro in my early 20s. I am now 55 and hit the ball much farther than back in my youth. I used to hit an 7 iron from 150. I now use a 9 iron or wedge. I play just a few times a year as opposed to everyday. Your scoring average between generations means absolutely nothing.
The equipment changed very title between the 50's and the arrival of the Burner in the mid 80's. Hogan and Snead were shooting lower scores with the same equipment on the same courses as the whole of the Nicklaus era. And Tiger was averaging lower scores 15 years ago than the players today who would seem to be benefitting from further tech advances.
So what. The players surronding Nicklaus's last major to win the Vardon Trophy were Dan Pohl, Scott Hoch and Calvin Peete. Its was not a stat that was equals to success. And Nicklaus didnt qualify many years as he didnt meet the minimum rounds requirement of 80 back than. It been lowered to 60 rounds in 1987 making it easier for guys like Tiger to win it. Before 87 most of the guys that won were great golfers that played nearly every week but far from the best.
The Vardon Trophy back than was for people playing in 25/30 tournaments not the best golfer.
I dont know why you keep harping on such a meaningless stat!
Fair enough, wasn't aware of the minimum round requirement back in the day. Turns out that Nicklaus twice averaged under 70 for a season, never getting below 69.81.
I would hardly call a season scoring average and insignificant stat, especially in the context of a discussion of who was the best to ever play the game. It;s one of the most prestigious awards in golf...who shot the lowest, on average, all year. It's a way to measure dominance and in Jack's case, it just isn't there.
I would hardly call a season scoring average and insignificant stat, especially in the context of a discussion of who was the best to ever play the game. It;s one of the most prestigious awards in golf...who shot the lowest, on average, all year. It's a way to measure dominance and in Jack's case, it just isn't there.
Yes it is insignificant because it not an apples to orange comparison.
What is a better score. Shooting -22 in Hawaii and finishing third or shooting +2 72.5 average and and winning by 3 strokes in the U.S. Open. What is more impressive??
Jack never played in these bombs away tournaments. He alwayed played a limited schedule on the toughest courses. Jack held scoring records in all 4 majors, some lasting decades.
Tiger drove off course.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/b...d-dui-charges-jupiter/dzfgoQEhvFkNxXlMXFPl3M/
BREAKING: Tiger Woods arrested on DUI charges in Jupiter
Chelsea Todaro-Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Jupiter-Professional golfer Tiger Woods was arrested Monday morning on charges of a DUI in Jupiter, according to Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office arrest records.
Woods, a Jupiter Island resident, was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail around 7 a.m. and released from custody around 11 a.m.
Our news partners at WPTV Channel 5 reports that Woods got pulled over around 3 a.m. on Military Trail South of Indian Creek Parkway.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/b...d-dui-charges-jupiter/dzfgoQEhvFkNxXlMXFPl3M/
BREAKING: Tiger Woods arrested on DUI charges in Jupiter
Chelsea Todaro-Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Jupiter-Professional golfer Tiger Woods was arrested Monday morning on charges of a DUI in Jupiter, according to Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office arrest records.
Woods, a Jupiter Island resident, was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail around 7 a.m. and released from custody around 11 a.m.
Our news partners at WPTV Channel 5 reports that Woods got pulled over around 3 a.m. on Military Trail South of Indian Creek Parkway.
For my money, Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer to ever be arrested on DUI charges in Jupiter.
He looks horrible... he looks more than just drunk. What a sad turn for someone who had everything that anyone could ask for. I guess when he lost golf and his family (the latter was his own fault), he didn't know how to pick himself back up. I wonder where his real friends are... those that can tell him to get sober or at least don't drive after partying.
Agreed, he was the best over an entire career. But Tiger's peak 9-10 years was better than Jack's.
Don't understand why Tiger could not call a cab, uber or get a driver (not a golf one) if he was drinking.
People are not known to make the best decisions when they have been drinking.
You can say the same thing about most who get DUIs.
I would think at this point there is a pretty strong shot that he could possibly be addicted to pain killers
Jack was the best, plus his nephew played lacrosse for RU.
Apparently Tiger didnt worry about DUI as recently as last nite.
Interesting that when Tiger was stopped by the police at 3AM this morning he was driving in the opposite direction from where he lives on Jupiter Island.
Looking for hookers & blow ?
If he lived in Connecticut, he technically could've gotten a DUI and arrested in Mianus.
Tiger made very serious mistakes outside of golf. His fame and notoriety led him to believe that following the rules only applied to the middle class. Tiger, like most of the ultra rich think they can indulge in extramarital affairs with women from all walks of life and if caught money will make everything ok. Fate has always humbled men throughout history and Tiger was no exception. Here was a man who had everything going for him and today he finds himself arrested for driving under the influence. Truly sad.
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