Penn State is our bowl game
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If Rutgers manages to upset PSU, and is then 3-7 at the time, do the Rutgers students rush the field?
Agree 100%. The UM win in 2014 was historic as it was our first B1G win. Other than pride and bragging rights this game has no significance like that. If PSU was ranked #1 I might feel differently but the rushing the field stuff should be saved for a game of historical significance.
Unless the students bring inner tubes they won't get close to the field because it will be flooded with the tears of Nit fans in attendance and filled with nits trying to drown themselves. [roll]
I think it would be funnier for all the PSU fans in attendance to rush the field and tear down your goal posts after a Lions victory...since by then there might be more PSU fans than students at the game
Are you sure about that Mason Gross story? The Big 10/Pac Rose Bowl rivalry was in place in 1961.
Anything can happen on Saturdays in autumn, but Penn State is going to run through us like a wood chipper if for no other reason than to try and desperately keep pace with the class of the Big Ten's eastern division, who are rapidly and irrevocably running away from them.
Penn State's condescending contempt for us has been totally deserved over the years -- which is what will make turning the tables on them so satisfying when it finally and inevitably happens.
Penn State's condescending contempt for us has been totally deserved over the years -- which is what will make turning the tables on them so satisfying when it finally and inevitably happens.
I expect Franklin to be fired if RU wins because he's already on the hot seat
10. James Franklin, Penn State
https://campusinsiders.com/news/college-football-coaches-hot-seat-week-8-rankings-10-16-2016/
Also expect to see those goalposts be sagging after RU wins because Nit fans ( no matter how many or few) are using them for their own version of :
The best proof I can supply is from a source many find unreliable, but that rumor has been out there for years.
>In 1961, Rutgers was considered a contender for the Rose Bowl, but was not selected because university president Mason Welch Gross did not express interest with the Rose Bowl's organizers<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutgers_Scarlet_Knights_football
Also ( same source)
>While the Big Ten supplied the "East" representative and the PCC, AAWU, or Pac-8/10 supplied the "West" representative from the 1947 Rose Bowl to the BCS era, statements about an "exclusive" Rose Bowl agreement existing during this period are not entirely accurate: the Big Ten was not part of any agreement for the 1961 and 1962 games and the status of the agreement for 1960 is questionable, at best. The fact that the 1961 Big Ten champion, Ohio State, declined the invitation to play in the 1962 Rose Bowl (without penalty) is the clearest evidence that this "exclusive agreement" did not exist in these years.<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bowl_Game
Thanks. I should have read this source more carefully. But doesn't it seem to you odd to suggest Rutgers (which hardly was playing a tough schedule) against a Pac-8 team that played major teams, including themselves?
For what it's worth, Fred Gruninger told me a very similar story many years ago. The way he told it, the Rose Bowl committee wanted RU but the school administration felt that the travel and game prep would interfere with the players' studies around the crucial final exam period, so they asked to be withdrawn from consideration.
The really funny part is that someone actually wanted us. Only other bowl was the Bluegrass in the 50's and that didn't happen. Only took 17 more years to get into our own bowl game.
Rutgers beating Michigan State and Penn State in 1988 are Rutgers biggest wins. Louisville is more famous but nothing compares to 1988.
Does seem odd, but remember it was being considerate for not guaranteed invite.
Over the years it went from being considered to would have went if only Gross let the Rose Bowl organizers he would be glad to accept an invitation.
Rutgers finished being ranked at #15 in 1961.
Minnesota who went to the Rose was 7-2 at the time after losing to Wisconsin their final regular season game , finishing 8-2 and a #6 ranking after beating UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
So it might not have been so far fetched for Rutgers to get an invite being undefeated
that season.
Have u seen their schedule they could win 5 of their last 6 games.
I expect Franklin to be fired if RU wins because he's already on the hot seat
10. James Franklin, Penn State
https://campusinsiders.com/news/college-football-coaches-hot-seat-week-8-rankings-10-16-2016/
Also expect to see those goalposts be sagging after RU wins because Nit fans ( no matter how many or few) are using them for their own version of :
I see you put more faith in Campus Insiders than repeated statements from the Penn State athletic director. Bold strategy.
Going to the Rose Bowl would certainly have been memorable. My alma mater, Cal, has not been to the Rose Bowl since 1959. On Cal's fan webboard, there is a poster calling himself "WantaRoseBowlbe4Idie.
I think Tenn was just as big. Ranked 17th, 97,000 HC fans in Knoxville and a big opponent. This was a big deal and became famous for the Rutgers question.
@MADHAT1 I am far from a Kool Aid drinker but the chances of Franklin being fired after 2016 are almost non-existent. I think he would have to lose out in order for that to even be a possibility. Unless you pay a lot of attention to Penn State and watch their games and follow them religiously, you simply don't know enough about their situation or where they are at as a team.
What's interesting is that, other than OSU, every game left on the schedule will most likely be pretty much a pick 'em or better for PSU. Will be a really good opportunity to see what's what.
Personally I think you're right kjb, but seen that article that put Franklin on a hot seat list and I do think if he doesn't win 7 games there will be a lot of Nits calling for his head.
He'll use the sanctions as the reason for not doing better than 7 and that will be accepted by most Penn St fans. If he gets 8, Nit fans will praise him, whether he deserves that praise or not.
PSU is 4-2 now and the games they have against Rutgers, Purdue and Indiana, Penn St is and should be expected to win those games.
Beating OSU can't be expected but Iowa and Michigan St are doable especially the way MSU looks this season. Also both those games are at Beaver Stadium and that should give the Nittany Lions the edge against the Hawkeyes and Spartans .
Next year will be the one he goes if he doesn't show he can bring the Nits to the top and with his ability to recruit that should be the case.
So 8 wins should be the minimum to keep Nit fans happy while 6 might cost him his job and 7 should put him on next season's hot seat
Rutgers fans speak out both side of their mouth on this topic...they want PSU to lose and say Franklin sucks and is going to destroy the program and get fired...but they also want him to stay...which doesn't make much sense because he recruits well and has a fighters chance of taking a team that most realistic fans think is a 6-7 win team this year, without injuries, to possibly being a 9 win team, which with all the injuries would be an amazing coaching job...but they'll still find a way to say he sucks and is destroying the program...I don't get it...
I was responding to your statement of State Penn not finising strong, not what we will do. They have a good chance of winning 9 or 8 games, that happens JF will still be there.
LIon, I will say this I move to PA over 25 yeas ago, it took me a long time to understand how people from PA felt about PS football. I can't say I fully understaND it now but I damn sure wish people from the great state of NJ felt the same way about Rutgers. I hate to admit it but PA fans love waiting in traffiic driving up 322 and up that mountain to get to a game. I knew it was real when I saw that on every Saturday home game the traffic in Harrisburg, 90 miles away is congested on Friday at 3pm with fans going to the game. I also think JF will be there for awhile, now dont get me wrong I can respect your fan base but nothing would please me more then to kick ur ass on the field :)
Indiana will be a tough game.
As I said, lots of pick-ems or better on the schedule. He needs to win those 50/50 games or at least the majority of them. So far, he is 2-1 (although I think MD stinks). Let's say there are three more pick 'ems. Would like to see two wins or better and beat Rutgers and Purdue. Eight wins would be a very good season IMO.
I agree that 2017 is when he will be judged.
If Penn State doesn't win at least eight games in 2017, then yes, Franklin will feel some heat, and deservedly so, because I think a 9-3/10-2 type finish could be in play.
But as far as this season goes, the chances of Franklin being fired are the same as PSU choosing me as his would-be replacement. Zero, zip, zilch, nada.
I'll be one of those fans driving from north jersey across I-80 over three hours for Saturday's white out...just one of many 10s of thousands of fans who drive multiple hours multiple weekends every fall...giving up our whole weekend for a 3 hour football game...and lots and lots of tailgating and bar hopping...it is a different fan base that's for sure...we travel further because we have to...but rain or shine we get at a minimum 75k to every game...Rutgers will get there slowly, they just need to build up a mature fan base...ours has grown over the past 50 years of big time college football
Although we were trying to figure out our offense early on, I don't think it would've really mattered in the end. Yes the Iowa game was winnable, but the Penn St game, I think not. Still better than us.
Thank you RU4Real!! The mindset of Gruninger was that of a small time program, and honestly very little has changed. We get invited in the B10 so we hire Flood. Then Flood leaves and we hire a Co-DC with not coaching experience. We had one AD that truly wanted to take us over the top Bob Mulcahy and they found a way to fire him. The school is not serious about BIG TIME SPORTS. If they were they would have opened the wallet and hired Richard Rodriguez. If people are moist around the edges over this recruiting class a RR recruiting class would have sent a Sicilian message to Michigan and OSU. We cheap out because we are not serious about winning on the big stage. So I beg the question what's the point?? Seriously what's the point?
The undefeated 1976 Scarlet Knights were invited to the Independence bowl but turned it down and wound up staying home that bowl season.
Two years later Rutgers played in it's first bowl game, the 1978 Garden State Bowl loss to Arizona State University.
IU is the toughest game left on the schedule IMO. They actually play a little defense this year and PSU has them on the road. MSU unless they have some miracle turn around simply are not a good team this year. They have beaten Furman and ND thus far. I think PSU can beat PU, RU, and MSU at home. Funnier things have happened, but I feel comfortable saying they can win those 3 games as it stands today. You then have IU on the road and Iowa at home. They need to at least split there and they could be looking at 8 wins heading into a bowl game possibly with an outside shot at 9. Franklin is then returning about 16-17 starters next year and a TON of guys in the two deep who have seen a lot of time this year due to injuries and the way they shuffle DL in and out.
Those saying he is on the hot seat really aren't paying attention to be honest. Nobody knows the ins and outs of every roster for the most part. If he falls on his face and drops 3-4 more games this year....it will be hot, but I'm not so sure that will occur. The LB unit was returning 3 starters and hasn't had all 3 since week 2 while PSU is breaking in a new DL for the most part minus Sickels at DE. True frosh, True soph, RS frosh, and walk ons have been playing LB for the most part. He had a starting DE going down for 2-3 games during that time as well as a starting CB. Basically he was down 5 starters on what is already a young team. He has recruited well the last 2 years in particular and those kids will be here for the next 2-3 years. He isn't a perfect HC, but fans of a team tend to see the negatives a bit more than the rest IMO. He's doing ok and the offense is actually starting to put up some points. They will have trouble this weekend for sure, but that really isn't a surprise as OSU is so damn fast and deep all over the field. The 2 games I watched OSU play this year I was in awe of how fast the DL, LB's, and secondary were. I mean they can all flat out fly around the field.
True. It was so different in the 50's and 60' s because if you weren't a big name school it was difficult to be invited unless you somehow made the top 20 list. Weren't as many bowls, but lower tiers didn't have affiliations and could choose almost any teams. Had to hope a big name school wouldn't want a lesser bowl.
The irony of our bowl invites is that the First 2 bowl games are against ASU. They were invited the first time like we were the second in a we need a local team to assure ticket sales.
The Insight Bowl was a nice reward for the team and fans and played in a warm environment. It was the start of good things to come except we didn't keep up pace for a better bowl. Now we'd be happy to be going somewhere.
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