The only ones saying Franklin is on the hot seat are other teams fans that don't like how well he recruits and want to see turmoil in the program or start rumors...as well as those delusional fans on our home board that think he should have a minimum 8 win team this year based on no logical thinking at all.
Penn State is our bowl game
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Actually some of those don't know fans ado know Franklin is a great recruiter and that's why some fans of other schools put him non the hot seat.
Also could be reading some so called media experts saying he is makes fans of other schools think the Nit HC's seat is getting hot.
No one is trying to cause termoil be stating what could be happening, especially when you look at Franklin's record agains winning P-5 programs.
I heard it isn't that good.
Maybe you can prove that wrong and I'll be glad to retract that Franklin's record against winning P-5 programs isn't that good.
Until you do stop the whining about everyone is against Penn St and starts rumors.
If PSU goes 7-5 and somehow loses to us, I don't think it matters, he's OK. They might be mad because they could've been in a better bowl and they'll still get good recruits. Maybe we'll be more competitive by game time. Still a month away.
Are you drunk madhat? That wasn't even coherent...I think what you are asking is to justify franklins record against P-5 programs which i don't feel is necessary to do, he spent 3 years and Vandy and won, I could careless who he beat because the talent he had inherited was on par with what Rutgers has now, the team he took over went 2-10 the two prior years...they then went to three straight bowl games with Franklin. Again I could care less who he beat, he wasn't exactly coaching a top SEC program...he then took over a PSU team still on sanctions and had kept us in a bowl game every year...who did he beat? Who cares? He has met my expectations and represented our program well, and recruited well to set us up for future success...again who really cares what winning P-5 programs he has beaten...we don't have to play 12 games vs "winning programs" every year...
I think Franklin will be at PSU for awhile... He is a good recruiter that needs to start showing he can bring back PSU to a level playing field with OSU and Michigan.. The question with him is if he gets level talent with those two will he be able to coach on a level of Urban and Harbaugh?.. That is the question... Don't forget PSU is an easy school to recruit too and most coaches at Happy Valley will recruit well.. Next year is the year to judge.. If they go 7-5 and lose to Pitt again he will be gone. Third place as the best possible scenario won't sit well with that fanbase
We have a ridiculous amount of returning starters next year. The Franklin classes are just starting to make their way up the depth chart.
If we go 8-4 with a last minute loss to Pitt this year (after graduating 3 NFL defensive linemen, breaking in a new offensive scheme/QB, and losing all 3 LB starters to injury...), there's no way 7-5 is happening next year.
Well time will tell but you must be pretty young or naive to think returning starters from an average football team guarantees anything.. It helps with Akron and Georgia state on the schedule... 8-4 would be a best case scenario.. I think both Nebraska and MSU will be better next year.. well coached teams improve...Pitt wont be easy even though its at home.. and two losses two UM and OSU... get used to playing for third in your division...
What makes you think our team has "average" talent? It's fun watching you all try and push Franklin out before his guys get a year or two under them. Think Saquon gave you trouble last year? Wait until he and Sanders are trading off for carries behind a line stacked with all American recruits. We may have a tough hill to climb behind 2 teams. But you need to compete with 6 others who are clearly superior.
Sad you reply with what bacily is an insult because you don't have anything to counter what I said becides the old I don't care, I'm happy. To that I say :thumbsdown:
This is what I'm talking about >James Franklin is 0-18 as a head coach vs teams which finished ranked and has never beaten an FBS team which had more than 8 wins.
— Chris Fallica (@chrisfallica) September 24, 2016<
This year He lost to Pitt and suffered downbeat ( though a mild if you want to bring up the massacre of Rutgers ) by Michigan, but most Nit fans will explain that away with :the sanctions caused those loses and it might be fairly accurate.
You're acting like I'm just putting your Nit HC down with his record against the better programs , but I'm just supplying facts to counter the claim that other school's fans are starting rumors or see turmoil in Penn St's football program.
I might not like PSU FB , but I'm trying to have a conversation based on facts ,
not unfounded rumors or because I wouldn't mind seeing Penn St fail.
It won't be long before the Nit faithful start looking at him as someone who was needed because of his recruiting ability, but needs to be replaced by a better game-day coach in order to win and utilize the talent on roster better.
If he does start competing with the better programs, of course his job won't be in jeopardy.
But if he keeps losing to the better teams and doesn't put Penn St in the B1G title hunt , you will have to be drunk not to see Nit fans wanting him replaced.
I have said he has an easy road after OSU to keep Nit fans happy, but next year will
be when he must start producing or start seeing his loyal supporters stop being loyal.
I think you must be drunk..."basically", "besides"...or your spelling is bad...either way...again no one cares apparently besides Rutgers fans who Franklin has beaten in his career, why would we care as long as he keeps our team competitive and building towards the future...if he isn't the guy, then we'll spend the money to hire someone else..:but I personally like the charisma and energy that Franklin and his staff bring and I'm content staying above .500 while we rebuild...certainly wouldn't be happy with the 2-10 record you guys are staring at, just goes to show you the "flood" sanctions were worse than any penalties the NCAA could hand down, maybe the NCAA should force Flood upon UNC?
If you read this board enough you'd know that experience equals improvement...and that guys that play this year will be studs next year
You would think that wouldn't you? Here's the issue. Two years ago we said all those returning OL would make a difference last year and they were still awful. I'm not sure how this year is going to pan out but the OL is definitely not stellar. That being said, there is definitely some talent along the OL. Two questions. 1) Will all of the DEs and LBs we recruited be able to add additional weight to have an impact and 2) Will some of the guys with undeniable talent (Givens) figure it out by next year. I'm hopeful but being continually burnt by our OL the last few years gives me pause.
Our LBs have the potential to actually be worse and with less depth next season. Secondary will be stout. Anyhow, I'm hopeful but I'm not going to simply buy into our defense being above average next season. Hopefully I'm wrong.
On the offensive, side it will once again come down to the OL because everyone else will be back. Lots of stars going to be across the front but lots of inexperience as well.
I don't think 7-5 is going to happen either but can they get to 9-3? That's where they need to be next year.
A couple other things. I couldn't care less what Franklin did at Vandy any longer - one way or the other. That's pretty much ancient history at this point. He has a fair task in front of him over the next several weeks that will start to tell us who we have as our Head Coach. After OSU he's going to have the opportunity to really take some of the pressure off.
Also, the guy is an above average recruiter. He's not great and he's certainly not elite. Again, he's going to have several weeks here to hopefully give his recruiting a shot in the arm but I've said for months that the ship on the 2017 class has sailed and he is working on 2018 now. Originally I said this was probably a T30 class at best and I'm hoping that stays true.
Also, the guy is an above average recruiter. He's not great and he's certainly not elite. Again, he's going to have several weeks here to hopefully give his recruiting a shot in the arm but I've said for months that the ship on the 2017 class has sailed and he is working on 2018 now. Originally I said this was probably a T30 class at best and I'm hoping that stays true.
Sorry about my spelling, no excuse for that and I won't try to give one.
As for the rest of your reply, sounds like you're trying to change the issue into a Rutgers problem while making excuses for Franklin not being able to beat fairly good ( 8 win ) programs.
Yes Flood hurt RU because of his poor recruiting but I don't place all the blame on him, I believe Ash and his staff need to be held partially responsible for how this season is going.
Franklin is the issue here and no matter how much you deny it he will need to improve against the better programs or he will be out .
Glad you admitted that by saying: ".if he isn't the guy, then we'll spend the money to hire someone else."
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Lol. Your team is average AT BEST! You needed over time to beat a VERY average Minny team. Maryland stinks!
You Penn st fans are comical. You barley beat Temple, Minny and a horrible Maryland team and your talking smack........funny stuff
Oh by the way! Did you get the memmo?
Tom Bradley admitted he heard about Sandusky a looooong time ago. So that throws out your narrative Joe didn't know LOL
Jesus are you dumb. I'm not talking smack and I didn't say anything regarding my opinion on our team.
Why would I ever say Joe didn't know when he testified to a Grand Jury that he did?
Anywho, always comical when I have a stalker.
The very average Minnesota team that's a 20-point favorite with a backup QB vs. RU?
Tom Bradley, the guy who allegedly discussed Sandusky with Schiano, the "architect" of RU football?
Misery loves company, huh?
Guess you're admitting Pen St covered up for Sandusky since the 70s
and Paterno was involved in it.
Nits like to turn everything into a spin against another program once they see Penn St can't be defended
As for the point spread, just shows how bad Rutgers is thought of and to change that, Rutgers much play much better.
Won't try to spin how bad RU looks this year.
Are you following the McQueary whistleblower lawsuit? Still, everyone telling a different story than McQueary's, though it was refreshing to see his email stating that the OAG twisted his words when it wrote the Grand Jury presentment. We already knew that, of course, but nice to see in writing.
I believe that PSU definitely goes 8-4 and has a real shot at 9-3. I also believe they are going to give OSU a real game. At 9-3 or 8-4 Franklin is going no where. I really wish our fans would stop with this idiotic non-sense that the Penn State vs Rutgers game will be our bowl game because I honestly believe they are going to beat us badly.
Frankly, I'm done litigating that case. That's for the lawyers now. I'm going to focus on my job as a fan - watching us throttle the bottom feeders of the big ten and improve as we rebuild to the level we expect to reach.
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