Per SL: Brian Wright candidacy "gaining steam"

[MADHAT1]

If top money is going to be spent, I think better choices should be available.
But if the RU OC salary is the usual low end of the pay scale, Wright might be a good gamble .

Alabama has two offensive analyst on Saban's staff that are being thought of as possible replacements for Kiffin : Steve Sarkisian & Mike Locksley might be available if they don't get the Bama OC position.
I just don't know if they run the type of O Ash wants.
If not, their out for good reason.
But either would bring HC experience with them and possibly help Ash become a better HC by using their experience when Ash isn't sure what to do ( at times).

 

[rutgersguy1]

If top money is going to be spent, I think better choices should be available.
But if the RU OC salary is the usual low end of the pay scale, Wright might be a good gamble .

Alabama has two offensive analyst on Saban's staff that are being thought of as possible replacements for Kiffin : Steve Sarkisian & Mike Locksley might be available if they don't get the Bama OC position.
I just don't know if they run the type of O Ash wants.
If not, their out for good reason.
But either would bring HC experience with them and possibly help Ash become a better HC by using their experience when Ash isn't sure what to do ( at times).

Locksley is suppose to be joining Kiffin at FAU. i don't know how good an OC he'd be anyway. He's more of a recruiter isn't he?

As to Wright being from the MAC, I could give a darn where a coach comes from never have. I don't like narrowing options, good coaches can come from anywhere.

What I do like to look at is track record, consistency, before after effect, etc.. Wright's track record at FAU is eh. He had a very good year at Toledo but it's just 1 year and Toledo has put out solid offenses if you look at the years before him so would have liked to see more to judge better. I'm okay with him but like other names better.

I was just reading an article of how Mike Gundy hired his most recent OC Mike Yurcich a few years ago. He basically did what we do scouring stats and rankings of the NCAA. He saw the leading offense in division 2 at Shippenburg, investigated further and eventually hired the guy. Almost called the number 2 guy on the list Dan Curran who was the Merrimack OC at the time and is now their HC.


http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...a-states-prolific-offense-found-mike-yurcich/

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

What was level of his talent at MAC vs. what we have currently and what we face week in and week out? Kill at least has experience in dealing with non-upper tier talent and making it competitive. Non-P5 folks often are successful because their talent level is better than their peers. Not saying an non-P5 will not be successful here (or anywhere for that matter), but rather, there is some basis to be concerned about the risks that come with it.

Sam houston oc just got a mega deal from ole miss and penn states oc came from fordham, seemed to work out no?

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

And btw, nj.com came up with this article by reading my post on the round table this morning lol

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Sam houston oc just got a mega deal from ole miss and penn states oc came from fordham, seemed to work out no?

Exactly. People just don't get it. It's amazing!

 

[Knight Shift]

Exactly. People just don't get it. It's amazing!

This MEME sums up RU fans and their view of who we should and should not consider for OC.

 

[seels2662]

In general I don't want a g5 OC I want a major conference OC. I think this guy is the exception though. He has paid his dues and knows what he is doing.

 

[rucoe89]

Sam houston oc just got a mega deal from ole miss and penn states oc came from fordham, seemed to work out no?

Ol Miss and Penn St have way more talent to work with than we do right now.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Ol Miss and Penn St have way more talent to work with than we do right now.

Do they not have way more money than us to pay a more qualified candidate if they chose to do so? They got their man of choice and both were 1-aa, no other way to spin it

 

[rucoe89]

Do they not have way more money than us to pay a more qualified candidate if they chose to do so? They got their man of choice and both were 1-aa, no other way to spin it

Not saying they are not great coordinators. Trying to say we need coordinators that have experience with less than B1G level talent and get them to compete. The successful 1AA coordinators may not have that level of experience. JM was a successful 1AA coordinator and may become a great one at Texas, but given not as high talent levels he struggled.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Ol Miss and Penn St have way more talent to work with than we do right now.

lol so a guy can be successful with our talent if he's a current P5 OOC but not if he's a successful MAC OOC? Makes no sense.

 

[NotInRHouse]

RU has had more success with P5 coordinators (Schiano, Fridge, Cignetti) than AA (Ciarocca, Flood, the UDel guy Flood had first year, Mehringer)...I would prefer a P5 guy for that reason alone.

Also, someone that Ash can lean on rather someone who needs to lean on Ash.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

RU has had more success with P5 coordinators (Schiano, Fridge, Cignetti) than AA (Ciarocca, Flood, the UDel guy Flood had first year, Mehringer)...I would prefer a P5 guy for that reason alone.

Also, someone that Ash can lean on rather someone who needs to lean on Ash.

Well, there are good hires and, uhm, BAD hires.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Well, there are good hires and, uhm, BAD hires.

True. Obviously the Fordham guy is working out at Ped. Everyone has to start somewhere. But for once, I would like RU have some experience at OC. From what I've seen in my time following RU, the experienced OCs that had other P5 stops on the resume tended to produce the better offenses.

Our situation is a little different from a school with top recruiting classes at this point- after 4 years of Flood, we are WAY behind the 8 ball there.

I'm sure Ash chats with Urban. But, it would be nice to have someone who he can lean on for advice, instead of needing to provide direction to a young guy. Twitter is great and all but Kill won at Minny just fine.

 

[rucoe89]

lol so a guy can be successful with our talent if he's a current P5 OOC but not if he's a successful MAC OOC? Makes no sense.

Not saying that. First, would look to a P5 guy with experience with all different talent levels. next, playing the odd that they may have a better chance to be successful using the talent we have by leveraging that experience. It may be what made Fridge and Cignetti more successful than Kirk Ciarrocca and Drew Mehringer. In the end its just odds. That said, wouldn't mind Ryan Carty, another FCS coordinator.

 

[RU old timer]

Why should we have such loyalty and trust in Ash? Just because he works at Rutgers? He is not a Rutgers student. Ash gets a paycheck. If he does not perform his responsibilities well as Head Coach, he loses his position. Chris Ash is not Rutgers football. We should support the players. We don't have to support the moves our coaches--employees--make.

 

[SirScarlet]

Why should we have such loyalty and trust in Ash? Just because he works at Rutgers? He is not a Rutgers student. Ash gets a paycheck. If he does not perform his responsibilities well as Head Coach, he loses his position. Chris Ash is not Rutgers football. We should support the players. We don't have to support the moves our coaches--employees--make.

I think i am missing the context to understand the point if this post.

 

[mildone]

I think i am missing the context to understand the point if this post.

I greatly admire the diplomacy in your post. :)

 

[BlockR]

Ryan Carty is Merhingher and McDaniels with just another name change..same level. No Thanks..

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Ryan Carty is Merhingher and McDaniels with just another name change..same level. No Thanks..

Not exactly. He might not be the best guy out there but this comparison isn't correct as Carty would come in with OC experience.

 

[BlockR]

hes JMU level and below..no thanks

 

[SkilletHead2]

Ryan Carty is Merhingher and McDaniels with just another name change..same level. No Thanks..

Why do people say stuff like this? There are all sorts of differences here.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

hes JMU level and below..no thanks

Yeah because there have NEVER been FCS coaches who have come up a level and been successful. Okay.

 

[Goo]

Let see, Chip Kelly went from OC at New Hampshire to HC at Oregon. No, he wouldn't pass the test for some of you here.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Ryan Carty is Merhingher and McDaniels with just another name change..same level. No Thanks..

So everyone from that level cannot be successful? Kind of closed minded thinking when there are plenty of examples of guys who have made a splash, including the fordham coach. This is a stupid point.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Drew Mehringer Rutgers salary was $450,000 - and - Fridge was at $500,000

say it got pushed to $550,000 - - who does it attract? what other Major, experienced, proven - sure thing- P5 OC will jump at that?
- reality - Major, Experienced, Proven -sure thing- P5 OC's are in the on-deck circle for HC positions

so say they went nuts & pushed it up to $700,000 (so that the OC would be $250K per year over the DC) ... does it make some super star of OC's run to RU? ...nope

The finesse that has to be played for this job will be to find the wise, visionary, clever and skillful "right guy" - but who has not already become the 'bankable, unaffordable sure thing" and who has a fierce burning desire to prove to the world that he just needed the opportunity to show he has what it takes to mold & maintain a winner.

 

[vkj91]

Why do people say stuff like this? There are all sorts of differences here.

Because they don't watch or understand football.

 

[MikeR0102]

So everyone from that level cannot be successful? Kind of closed minded thinking when there are plenty of examples of guys who have made a splash, including the fordham coach. This is a stupid point.

To be fair, the Fordham coach did have FBS experience. He was OC for 3 years at Akron, and 2 years at UConn. He had varying success.

That out of the way, Rutgers doesn't need a hot shot young gun, they need someone who can just do the job.

 

[BlockR]

Drew Mehringer Rutgers salary was $450,000 - and - Fridge was at $500,000

say it got pushed to $550,000 - - who does it attract? what other Major, experienced, proven - sure thing- P5 OC will jump at that?
- reality - Major, Experienced, Proven -sure thing- P5 OC's are in the on-deck circle for HC positions

so say they went nuts & pushed it up to $700,000 (so that the OC would be $250K per year over the DC) ... does it make some super star of OC's run to RU? ...nope

The finesse that has to be played for this job will be to find the wise, visionary, clever and skillful "right guy" - but who has not already become the 'bankable, unaffordable sure thing" and who has a fierce burning desire to prove to the world that he just needed the opportunity to show he has what it takes to mold & maintain a winner.

so..take another chance on the "skillful right guy" who is not in demand..but cheap???

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

Ryan Carty is Merhingher and McDaniels with just another name change..same level. No Thanks..

Except for the fact that the offense he learned to run at UNH was installed by a certain genius coach ...

 

[greenknight]

RU has had more success with P5 coordinators (Schiano, Fridge, Cignetti) than AA (Ciarocca, Flood, the UDel guy Flood had first year, Mehringer)...I would prefer a P5 guy for that reason alone.

Also, someone that Ash can lean on rather someone who needs to lean on Ash.

You do realize Schiano had very little DC coordinator experience before he became HC

 

[BlockR]

article from yesterday afternoon on Kill possibly coming to RU http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/c...ch-jerry-kill-return-big-ten-coaching-rutgers.

LOVE when everyone in an argument trys to pull out Chip Kelly as the lone example,while just forgetting the countless others that failed in making the jump upwards to power 5 level from the Maines,Delaware's..of the football landscape.please see Mcdaniel(who was a cant miss because of his brother according to many) and Merhingher as examples.It would be fine to take another 'chance' on a Carty type if we were still in AAC,but this is B10 east.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

article from yesterday afternoon on Kill possibly coming to RU http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/c...ch-jerry-kill-return-big-ten-coaching-rutgers.

LOVE when everyone in an argument trys to pull out Chip Kelly as the lone example,while just forgetting the countless others that failed in making the jump upwards to power 5 level from the Maines,Delaware's..of the football landscape.please see Mcdaniel(who was a cant miss because of his brother according to many) and Merhingher as examples.It would be fine to take another 'chance' on a Carty type if we were still in AAC,but this is B10 east.

McDaniel and Mehringer weren't OC's prior to RU - well McDaniel was the QB-OC at Columbia only - and there are PLENTY of other examples.

 

[PaKnight]

He is

McDaniel and Mehringer weren't OC's prior to RU - well McDaniel was the QB-OC at Columbia only - and there are PLENTY of other examples.

And I think McDaniel was only there in the off season.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

He is


And I think McDaniel was only there in the off season.

I think you might be right; knew it was something weird.

 

[SkilletHead2]

article from yesterday afternoon on Kill possibly coming to RU http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/c...ch-jerry-kill-return-big-ten-coaching-rutgers.

LOVE when everyone in an argument trys to pull out Chip Kelly as the lone example,while just forgetting the countless others that failed in making the jump upwards to power 5 level from the Maines,Delaware's..of the football landscape.please see Mcdaniel(who was a cant miss because of his brother according to many) and Merhingher as examples.It would be fine to take another 'chance' on a Carty type if we were still in AAC,but this is B10 east.

Lots of folks have made the jump, lots haven't. Lots of P5 coaches fail when going to new places as well, especially on the money we have traditionally paid. I'd love to get a high-powered, highly successful P5 coach as our new OC. Then again, I'd like to be Derek Jeter.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Interesting....Saban has just gone from one OC with a questionable background to another OC with a questionable background. Can't he get a solid OC with a good rep to come to Bama?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Interesting....Saban has just gone from one OC with a questionable background to another OC with a questionable background. Can't he get a solid OC with a good rep to come to Bama?

You and I could be successful with 'Bama's talent and, so long as they win, nobody is going to complain about which of his buddies he has coaching under him.

 

[SkilletHead2]

You and I could be successful with 'Bama's talent and, so long as they win, nobody is going to complain about which of his buddies he has coaching under him.

I agree completely. My point is that even what is arguably the most desirable OC position in the nation doesn't attract the kind of candidates that some on this board are insisting we go for.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Well I posted an article the other day about how Mike Gundy plucked his latest OC Mike Yurcich by scanning NCAA stats and found that Shippensburg in D2 was killing it, investigated further and hired Yurcich.

Gus Malzahn was a high school football coach before Arkansas.

Chad Morris a high school coach too before the jump as Tulsa OC for a year and then quickly onto Clemson.

Art Briles too just a high school coach, then position coach for 1 year and then HC at Houston.

Philip Montgomery followed behind him also from high school and became his OC.

Zak Hill is a Boise State co-OC now and he's from EWU. I happen to know only know that because the EWU HC Beau Baldwin is one of my top choices as OC and I was doing a little reading up on Baldwin.

Mike Leach came from Valdosta State to be Kentucky's OC.

I'm sure there may be others but those were ones that I've known from looking up things in the past. I'm sure there are failures too, big surprise. There are also failures for guys taken from the P5, again big surprise.

So I'm not afraid of taking a coach from anywhere provided there's a track record you can look upon and say this guy may be good. You can get failures from the P5 on down and you can get successes from the lower levels on up.