Pick and Roll
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we are flat out not a good pick and roll team; Either getting it in to the big, having him catch it or finishing; So we probably don't even look for it; One thing I have noticed that even when the big man does roll they are just very slow to the rim so by the time they cut to the rim they are usually not open
First you have to ask who's the roller? You have to know your personnel. Do you want Shaq, Sa, or Duke catching the ball on the move, putting the ball on the floor, then having to make a move around a help side defender? No. Very rarely are you going to get a pick and roll which leads to an immediate up and in.
Freeman and Eugene can probably handle the duties, but the above 3 are there to free up the gaurds for a driving lane or draw help, then a kick out.
Freeman and Eugene can probably handle the duties, but the above 3 are there to free up the gaurds for a driving lane or draw help, then a kick out.
This is essentially what I've been mentioning when people talk about "lack of shooters"....
A) Everything above is correct....the "Screener" has to have the ability to catch a pass cleanly, shoot, dribble or pass without fear of a turnover....keeping the ball with the guard eliminates that turnover and at least a shot attempt, where you can get an offensive rebound vs no shot attempt at all.
B) With better players that are more skilled, the big man may be able to score on his own (have better hands, ability to score, pass etc.)....The concept of a stretch 4 (Warren Washington was a key potential recruit that was 6'7 to 6'9" and can screen, catch and shoot. A player like a Shaq Carter isn't a 20 foot pick and pop player, but the hopes are he'll finish better on putbacks and traditional rolls to the basket.
C) if you are a defensive team and Sa, Freeman, Shaq are screeners, you have to double the guard with the ball. Ironically, I feel that the screen and roll or pick and roll makes it tougher for the offense, where if you isolate Sanders and Baker and let them play "streetball", they would probably generate a better shot attempt, without traffic.
Fans would then grumble that the offense looks inept if you just spread the court and let Baker/Sanders go one on one, jacking up a long 2 or 3 pointer, but when it works at the end of the shot clock, it looks like magic.
They were trapping Sanders and Baker hard because they knew the roll man was a non factor. It seemed like we never adjusted to this. Why not have Eugene or Freeman be the screener so at least the roll man is a viable option. They could then draw a defender and get the ball moving. We were just playing into their hands with Sanders and Baker back pedaling on the trap. Very frustrating...
To add to this
Actually, . Doucoure will eventually be this type of guy. Not quite as much range as you would hope (17 feet as opposed to the three point line) but he has very good hands and balance. Needs to obviously learn to screen without Making an offensive foul
You beat me to this point. It actually drives me crazy that we constantly run screen and roll, but I don't think the guard has passed back to the screener/roller ONCE the entire season. Not once.
I guess with the "bigs" being 15-18 feet from the basket at the point of the screen, I see Hawk's point that it could be a turnover waiting to happen if the guard bounce passes to Duke, Sa or Doorson. But I have to think this type of play could work with Freeman or Omoruyi. And what about having Thiam set screens?
FWIW,
Through 21 games, the team is shooting 38.9 percent when Rutgers uses a ball screen and the ball handler attempts to. Which is good actually.
The team is shooting 21.6 percent when the roll man attempts to score. In fact, when the Rutgers roll man attempts to score the result of the play is a turnover 17 percent of the time.
Through 21 games, the team is shooting 38.9 percent when Rutgers uses a ball screen and the ball handler attempts to. Which is good actually.
The team is shooting 21.6 percent when the roll man attempts to score. In fact, when the Rutgers roll man attempts to score the result of the play is a turnover 17 percent of the time.
A team without shooters, passers, or finishers isn't going be effective running the pick and roll.
Well that highlights the point the astute poster above made. But more importantly, how the hell did you have those stats at the ready? Do you have a web site that tracks it for various teams? Do you do the work yourself? And are there other stats you have you can share? o_O
I prefer the pork and roll. Poppy-seed, toasted, with YELLOW American Cheese, SPK (unless with egg, then no "k")!
Don't Tell Greene Rice FIG about it....his head is already wrapped around kenpom. Give him more data, his head could explode....
Michigan’s defense was too suffocating and we are not quick enough passing the ball to open up the court. Everything clogs up the middle.
Russ...that is tremendous feedback and not surprising as well...it supports what things get looked at and what your likelihood of success is like with the pieces or players you have.
My question is (if it's something you can track with other programs in the B1G).....what are the splits for a program where the success rate is closer to the same amount....38% for the guard and 38% or so with the screener as an example with the other percentages etc
Actually ....I would love to get that info source Russ. What is it and idea of cost?
Good post.. I would love to see Freeman immediately go in once getting the ball ON THE MOVE instead of looking around like he wants to pass and then doing a one one one (that becomes one on two) move.
And someone has to talk to the young big man Bullock about shooting while moving. He has good lateral movement but he seems to allow the bigger-man covering him to just play him straight up to the hoop. Get him going up to block and move laterally.. and plan to do that as soon as you decide you will shoot... too easily blocked. Rashod Kent had that problem to a lesser degree his first year.. then became a monster with lateral motion. Omoruyi gets it.
