Pike Needs to Hire an Assistant to Install an Offense

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

tonight is nice and all but we got lucky that Geo just caught fire. There was no offense, it was stand around and watch geo. There was no offensive iq as pike somehow out of a timeout didnt advise our guys to go for a 2 for 1 which is inexplicable.

who are some options? I dont think it would happen but Eddie Jordan did run nice sets and thats literally all hed be asked to do. Its clear he has no ill will towards RU and pike as he was pictured with the team last summer at a team bbq. Again, dont think its gonna happen but should be looked into. Id love to see us poach an iowa assistant or illinois assistant. Both teams run nice sets and know the conference already. But this is something that must happen, we cant continue to not run an offense

 

[littlenis5]

Get lost

 

[brookdale-soda]

The offense will improve when we recruit shooters. Exponentially

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

The offense will improve when we recruit shooters. Exponentially

Will it? Serious question. Because we dont run an offense. If youre saying we’ll score more points? Sure. But itll be off tough shots and one on one efforts. Our coaching staff does nothing to help our guys on the offensive end. What are your thoughts on our half court offense?

 

[TODDB33]

Kyk listen to post game comments. He wants ball in Geos hand in crunch time. Team ran a ton of sets throughout the game he is our best player at that time. All teams isolate their go to guy in those situation.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Kyk listen to post game comments. He wants ball in Geos hand in crunch time. Team ran a ton of sets throughout the game he is our best player at that time. All teams isolate their go to guy in those situation.

I have no problem with iso at the end. Zero problem.

what I have a problem with is literally not running an offense for the other 39 minutes. What i have a problem with is not going for a 2 for 1 coming out of a timeout with 48 seconds left at half court. Those are big issues

 

[TODDB33]

Agree on 2 for 1 but they ran a ton of sets

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Agree on 2 for 1 but they ran a ton of sets

What sets did we run besides motion and horns? Which arent really sets.

 

[kcg88]

Yup. Our offense is clearly not being maximized. Northwestern was running stuff to get Miller Kopp open three-point looks. Rutgers should be doing that for Yeboah. Instead he seemingly only gets it when the defense breaks down or we grab an offensive board.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Yup. Our offense is clearly not being maximized. Northwestern was running stuff to get Miller Kopp open three-point looks. Rutgers should be doing that for Yeboah. Instead he seemingly only gets it when the defense breaks down or we grab an offensive board.

Yup. Some of the simpletons on this board dont get it. Im not calling myself a basketball expert by any stretch but ive played and anyone who has ever played the game can tell you we dont run an offense. The aau coaches i hoop with always tell me they think its amazing what pikes doing this year because hes doing it without even running an offense

 

[biazza38]

Go skip rocks. Seriously, our biggest problem early on was our D giving up open looks not our O

 

[brookdale-soda]

Will it? Serious question. Because we dont run an offense. If youre saying we’ll score more points? Sure. But itll be off tough shots and one on one efforts. Our coaching staff does nothing to help our guys on the offensive end. What are your thoughts on our half court offense?

There were many open shots tonight off of passing. Many open 3s. We dont have the players yet who will take the shot. And make them. Our foul shooting percentage is the sign that we dont have shooters. We play a scrappy offense because we dont make shots that we should. It's not the offense IMO. The offense is creating open shots. That's all you can ask for. The commentators even pointed it out that we were afraid to shoot wide open shots.

 

[BOCA93]

If we’re being objective, the half court weave offense is really poor. And it’s exponentially compounded when they’re not getting stops on D. When you rely entirely on transition offense, games like this will happen when teams knock down open looks. Props to Pike for getting them locked in on D down the stretch. I’ll take any ugly win over an ugly loss but they need a more efficient offense.

 

[kcg88]

Guys, John Beilein was regarded as one of the better coaches in the sport. But he accepted the fact that defense was his weakness and went and hired Luke Yaklich to run it, and the defense improved dramatically.

 

[ancienthooper]

Yup. Some of the simpletons on this board dont get it. Im not calling myself a basketball expert by any stretch but ive played and anyone who has ever played the game can tell you we dont run an offense. The aau coaches i hoop with always tell me they think its amazing what pikes doing this year because hes doing it without even running an offense

Is there time to fire Pikes and staff and get Kyk and his AAU guys on board?

 

[Night Man]

Guys, John Beilein was regarded as one of the better coaches in the sport. But he accepted the fact that defense was his weakness and went and hired Luke Yaklich to run it, and the defense improved dramatically.

Easier to fix a bad defense than a bad offense. But yeah something like that could be done in theory, it's not as hopeless as getting into a 5+-year rut of having one of the worst offenses in the NCAA (pans to football stadium)

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Is there time to fire Pikes and staff and get Kyk and his AAU guys on board?

No but theres time for pike to hire an assistant to run something that resembles an offense

 

[kcg88]

It's a chicken or egg thing but I've got to believe that part of the reason we can't recruit shooters is that we haven't shown we can get the most out of them. We can recruit ball-oriented combo guards, but not shooters. It's like how it's harder on football to get a QB when you don't have any tape of your offense you can show recruits and say "we want you in this role."

 

[RUJMM78]

Northwestern ran a very effective half court offense for most of the game with passing and dribble drives that resulted in wide open 3 point shots Rutgers had another slow start and was playing behind for most of the game by double digits.In the last five minutes Pikiell stayed with the same unit and got scoring contributions by Baker,Yeboah and McConnel and Johnson with some blocked shots.Baker was the star of the game scoring over 20 points in the second half.The last two home games against Nebraska and Northwestern were barn burners right down to the last shot.Rutgers continues to find a way to win at home which is outstanding .

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

It's a chicken or egg thing but I've got to believe that part of the reason we can't recruit shooters is that we haven't shown we can get the most out of them. We can recruit ball-oriented combo guards, but not shooters. It's like how it's harder on football to get a QB when you don't have any tape of your offense you can show recruits and say "we want you in this role."

If my kid was gifted offensively I couldnt send him to play for pike as much as I like the guy. He does nothing to help offensive players. Its as simple as us literally not running an offense

 

[BigRnj]

tonight is nice and all but we got lucky that Geo just caught fire. There was no offense, it was stand around and watch geo. There was no offensive iq as pike somehow out of a timeout didnt advise our guys to go for a 2 for 1 which is inexplicable.

who are some options? I dont think it would happen but Eddie Jordan did run nice sets and thats literally all hed be asked to do. Its clear he has no ill will towards RU and pike as he was pictured with the team last summer at a team bbq. Again, dont think its gonna happen but should be looked into. Id love to see us poach an iowa assistant or illinois assistant. Both teams run nice sets and know the conference already. But this is something that must happen, we cant continue to not run an offense

Go sit outside his office and tell him. I’m sure he will respect your esteemed opinion more than Barchi. Oh and tell us again where & when you played your HS ball?

 

[RUby RED]

I feel like people are disagreeing with this post solely because of the poster and not it’s message. It makes total sense to add an offensive specialist. Obviously this team wins on the back of its defense and hustle but to act like the half-court offense couldn’t be improved is just silly. We’ve stagnated lately and could def use an injection of fresh ideas

 

[S_Janowski]

Eddie Jordan?

This has to be a joke.

Northwestern caught fire early and our D was a little sloppy. We finally tightened up and Geo had the hot hand in the 2nd half so you obviously have to keep finding ways to get him the ball. When he got doubled he passed it up. There was no other way we were gonna win that 2nd half.

 

[Doctorzit]

KyK1827 is absolutely correct. Our offense doesn't run sets to get a particular player open. If Pike wants to run an offense like that of Conn's he needs to recruit players of the ability of Conn's past players.

 

[Pancho1939]

Guys, John Beilein was regarded as one of the better coaches in the sport. But he accepted the fact that defense was his weakness and went and hired Luke Yaklich to run it, and the defense improved dramatically.

who is Luke Yaklich? Never heard of him.

people keep saying hire and offensive assistant are the same guys who think knight and Hobbs can do no wrong. They have been here since day one and the offense still stinks. So who are you firing knight or Hobbs? Don’t tell me Hayn who has been an assistant for a year. This offense has been like this since day 1

 

[S_Janowski]

I feel like people are disagreeing with this post solely because of the poster and not it’s message. It makes total sense to add an offensive specialist. Obviously this team wins on the back of its defense and hustle but to act like the half-court offense couldn’t be improved is just silly. We’ve stagnated lately and could def use an injection of fresh ideas

I don’t disagree with the premise of the post but I don’t think that was the issue tonight against NW and to offer up Eddie Jordan is comical.

 

[kcg88]

who is Luke Yaklich? Never heard of him.

people keep saying hire and offensive assistant are the same guys who think knight and Hobbs can do no wrong. They have been here since day one and the offense still stinks. So who are you firing knight or Hobbs? Don’t tell me Hayn who has been an assistant for a year. This offense has been like this since day 1

I mean I'll just say I wasn't sad when Karl Hobbs was rumored to be taking the Howard job last off-season.

PS: Google Luke Yaklich, you'll find a ton of stories about him and Michigan's defensive turnaround a few years ago.

 

[Pancho1939]

If my kid was gifted offensively I couldnt send him to play for pike as much as I like the guy. He does nothing to help offensive players. Its as simple as us literally not running an offense

not you couldn’t. YOU WOULDNT! The only reason he would go to Rutgers is if it was his only offer. A guy like you would be in love with everything the other big 10a schools have to offer. Offense would be the last thing on your mind

 

[Pancho1939]

I mean I'll just say I wasn't sad when Karl Hobbs was rumored to be taking the Howard job last off-season.

PS: Google Luke Yaklich, you'll find a ton of stories about him and Michigan's defensive turnaround a few years ago.

Defense is effort. That is why our guys can do it. Offense takes skill. Hence why we are a little behind.

Not saying an offensive guru couldn’t help but eventually you have to make shots. If geo did this every game kyk would be kissing pikell’s feet.

the problem for us this late in the season is people scout us and they know what our guys are capable of. They then exploit us.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I dont get why people are so offended that im simply just pointing out the obvious. The only people who are getting mad are people who simply just dont know what theyre watching

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

I love these experts who don't think Pike knows how to install an offense, or that he screws up the rotations, or that this player should sit or that player. How was our offense against Seton Hall? It's about execution. We've struggled to execute the last few games, no doubt, but we're 8-5 for goodness sake. I wonder who should get credit for that.

 

[kcg88]

Check out this article on Brad Underwood and Illinois: https://247sports.com/college/illin...h-Brad-Underwood-defensive-changes-142261182/

iHs patented high-pressure defense learned under Bob Huggins and Frank Martin was allowing too many layups (bottom-50 among 350+ D-I teams the last two seasons in 2-point field goal percentage allowed) and too many free throws (bottom-15 in defensive free throw rate the last two seasons).

So Underwood invested a lot of time this offseason into self-analyzation. He even brought in an analytics whiz from the Boston Celtics to provide an outside assessment. The conclusion: Underwood risked insanity if he kept doing the same thing over and over and expected different results.

We did all sorts of studies on Sweet Sixteen teams, Big Ten teams, analyzing from free throws shot and attempted to rebounding and so on and so forth,” Underwood said. “I looked at where we were at in all those things and knew we had to make some changes. What we were doing, there were some positives for it. But at the end of the day, change needed to happen, and we had to do that.”

Point is, Pikiell needs to be similarly open minded and willing to change when something isn't working.

 

[kcg88]

I love these experts who don't think Pike knows how to install an offense, or that he screws up the rotations, or that this player should sit or that player. How was our offense against Seton Hall? It's about execution. We've struggled to execute the last few games, no doubt, but we're 8-5 for goodness sake. I wonder who should get credit for that.

Nobody is saying he's a bad coach!!! Andy Reid is FAMOUS for being horrific at clock management and he just won the Super Bowl, partially thanks to making some changes and doing a better job with the clock than the opposing coaches in the playoffs.

You can be a good coach and still have weaknesses.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Nobody is saying he's a bad coach!!! Andy Reid is FAMOUS for being horrific at clock management and he just won the Super Bowl, partially thanks to making some changes and doing a better job with the clock than the opposing coaches in the playoffs.

You can be a good coach and still have weaknesses.

This. As ive said, great defensive coach, master motivator, great guy, really really
Poor on the offensive end and end game/half situations aka 2 for 1’s

 

[fbc1866]

The offense is fine, the issue is we keep missing open shots and not making layups.

 

[ScottRU93]

One thing he said in press conference I don’t really like is They they don’t work on shooting doesn’t want them thinking about it. I think our team needs to work on shooting!! Thanks

 

[snowboarder]

I love Pike but totally agree. We run motion but rarely to find the hot shooter. Its motion to find the next open player.
He sees the game through defense and substitutes based on defense.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Kyk....please stop....your comments on 2 for 1 is literally the only valid comment I can keep up with.

The rest are speaking in general terms like a 1st time football fan watching a game and wondering why they don't score like Oklahoma or a Big 12 game.

The fact that you can't even mention that there are offenses you have to run against man to man, zone and different types of zones, just shows lack of basketball knowledge. Each defense that is presented requires a different type of offense to be run against the defense being played.

There's a 2-3 zone offense, 3-2 zone offense....1-3-1 zone offense with man to man principals or responsibilities.

And the more items you choose to "install", makes your players play "slower" because they have to digest what has to happen.

If you are asking "why does Pike just decide to run "1-4".....1 is the guard at or near half court, just dribbling and it appears it's just wasting time...that offensive set to designed to prevent a double team, to force Corey Sanders, or now Geo Baker, to give up the ball....

The 4 defenders have to stay with their man, which is why they're standing "4 across" along the baseline. If one of the 4 defensive players wants to leave his man to try and double team, you now have a pass to an open player and a easier chance to score, 4 on 3. Teams are content to try and guard Baker or Sanders one on one....if he makes it, fine....if he misses, crash the boards.....and it is also something that prevents turnovers.

I don't think your comments are valid and it's not attacking you personally, just not aware of the details.

Also, as an offensive player, every coach runs 1-4.....MSU runs it with Cassius Winston, MD with Anthony Cowen, Illinois with Dousomu, Penn State runs it on the wing, isolation to Lamar Steven's.

It also comes down to who do coaches want to make plays/shots in critical situations. We saw how that didn't end well at Maryland, where we didn't have Baker in the game, but also, MD has better athletes 1 thru 5 vs RU, so you dont have any "offense" you can dictate to a defense, unless you have a height advantage (Caleb guarded by Cowen vs Maryland in the post.

That's as far as I can go, but the primary issue is not offense. It is literally Mulcahy right now....he isn't getting through screens, doesn't recognize when he's being screened and his teammates are "helping off" their own responsibilities, because he cannot guard or handle his defensive assignments.

Teams that appear to run "good offense", usually exploit the weakest defender on the opponents teams. Coaching at every level will abandon everything on offense, if you have a weak link on defense that cannot guard 1 on 1.

Enjoy the win....and RUs offense is fine....they TURNED down more open shots than anything else.

 

[kcg88]

Kyk....please stop....your comments on 2 for 1 is literally the only valid comment I can keep up with.

The rest are speaking in general terms like a 1st time football fan watching a game and wondering why they don't score like Oklahoma or a Big 12 game.

The fact that you can't even mention that there are offenses you have to run against man to man, zone and different types of zones, just shows lack of basketball knowledge. Each defense that is presented requires a different type of offense to be run against the defense being played.

There's a 2-3 zone offense, 3-2 zone offense....1-3-1 zone offense with man to man principals or responsibilities.

And the more items you choose to "install", makes your players play "slower" because they have to digest what has to happen.

If you are asking "why does Pike just decide to run "1-4".....1 is the guard at or near half court, just dribbling and it appears it's just wasting time...that offensive set to designed to prevent a double team, to force Corey Sanders, or now Geo Baker, to give up the ball....

The 4 defenders have to stay with their man, which is why they're standing "4 across" along the baseline. If one of the 4 defensive players wants to leave his man to try and double team, you now have a pass to an open player and a easier chance to score, 4 on 3. Teams are content to try and guard Baker or Sanders one on one....if he makes it, fine....if he misses, crash the boards.....and it is also something that prevents turnovers.

I don't think your comments are valid and it's not attacking you personally, just not aware of the details.

Also, as an offensive player, every coach runs 1-4.....MSU runs it with Cassius Winston, MD with Anthony Cowen, Illinois with Dousomu, Penn State runs it on the wing, isolation to Lamar Steven's.

It also comes down to who do coaches want to make plays/shots in critical situations. We saw how that didn't end well at Maryland, where we didn't have Baker in the game, but also, MD has better athletes 1 thru 5 vs RU, so you dont have any "offense" you can dictate to a defense, unless you have a height advantage (Caleb guarded by Cowen vs Maryland in the post.

That's as far as I can go, but the primary issue is not offense. It is literally Mulcahy right now....he isn't getting through screens, doesn't recognize when he's being screened and his teammates are "helping off" their own responsibilities, because he cannot guard or handle his defensive assignments.

Teams that appear to run "good offense", usually exploit the weakest defender on the opponents teams. Coaching at every level will abandon everything on offense, if you have a week link on defense that cannot guard 1 on 1.

Enjoy the win....and RUs offense is fine....they TURNED down more open shots than anything else.

They turned down the shots because they are not being empowered to shoot them! Pikiell complains to the media that the team takes too many threes so I can only imagine what he says in practice.

Not to say I want Jacob Young jacking them up but Yeboah and McConnell need to shoot with confidence more often.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Kyk....please stop....your comments on 2 for 1 is literally the only valid comment I can keep up with.

The rest are speaking in general terms like a 1st time football fan watching a game and wondering why they don't score like Oklahoma or a Big 12 game.

The fact that you can't even mention that there are offenses you have to run against man to man, zone and different types of zones, just shows lack of basketball knowledge. Each defense that is presented requires a different type of offense to be run against the defense being played.

There's a 2-3 zone offense, 3-2 zone offense....1-3-1 zone offense with man to man principals or responsibilities.

And the more items you choose to "install", makes your players play "slower" because they have to digest what has to happen.

If you are asking "why does Pike just decide to run "1-4".....1 is the guard at or near half court, just dribbling and it appears it's just wasting time...that offensive set to designed to prevent a double team, to force Corey Sanders, or now Geo Baker, to give up the ball....

The 4 defenders have to stay with their man, which is why they're standing "4 across" along the baseline. If one of the 4 defensive players wants to leave his man to try and double team, you now have a pass to an open player and a easier chance to score, 4 on 3. Teams are content to try and guard Baker or Sanders one on one....if he makes it, fine....if he misses, crash the boards.....and it is also something that prevents turnovers.

I don't think your comments are valid and it's not attacking you personally, just not aware of the details.

Also, as an offensive player, every coach runs 1-4.....MSU runs it with Cassius Winston, MD with Anthony Cowen, Illinois with Dousomu, Penn State runs it on the wing, isolation to Lamar Steven's.

It also comes down to who do coaches want to make plays/shots in critical situations. We saw how that didn't end well at Maryland, where we didn't have Baker in the game, but also, MD has better athletes 1 thru 5 vs RU, so you dont have any "offense" you can dictate to a defense, unless you have a height advantage (Caleb guarded by Cowen vs Maryland in the post.

That's as far as I can go, but the primary issue is not offense. It is literally Mulcahy right now....he isn't getting through screens, doesn't recognize when he's being screened and his teammates are "helping off" their own responsibilities, because he cannot guard or handle his defensive assignments.

Teams that appear to run "good offense", usually exploit the weakest defender on the opponents teams. Coaching at every level will abandon everything on offense, if you have a weak link on defense that cannot guard 1 on 1.

Enjoy the win....and RUs offense is fine....they TURNED down more open shots than anything else.

This is just too long but i stopped at your elementary point of theres different offenses to run against different defenses. Well uh yeah, no shit. Youre not gonna run a floppy set against a 2-3 (if you know what that means). I think i know alot more about basketball than you because if you think what were running on offense is acceptable then i just dont know what to tell you