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Pikell Just Sucks

Watching up close. We have an athletic team. A healthy Dylan and EO clogging up the lane, it's a tight game.....Biggest mistake was not playing Grant and Dortch early. ..He should have Let them learn on the fly.
agree on Harper and Ogbole,

Grant has made some nice strides since Vegas,

Dortch is not ready yet

Wright and Raf were complimenting Izzo on how he has both upperclassmen and 10 deep playing 14 minutes a game in this era

whether it was self inficted or not, Pike returned only JWill, JMike and Ogbole this year, if he can add Sommerville, Grant and Derkack to those 3 for next year, not whiff in the portal, and get some production from the incoming class RU may have an Izzo blueprint for 25/26
 
What makes you think that?
Because a coach like Kelvin Sampson, Dusty May, Fred Hoiberg, etc would not lose 3 quad 4 games in a row in 2021-2022 that ultimately caused Rutgers to become a last four in team.

The best a Pike-coached team is the bubble (besides the 2019-2020 season), and that was with better player evaluation and not having to worry about NIL.

We also make the tournament in 2022-2023 if he started Simpson instead of Mulcahy after upsetting Indiana at the RAC
 
We should be undefeated (sarcasm)

Train ride back to New Brunswick and the comments in here are just great.

There are tons of things to unpack, but I don't think complaints about talent or skill levels solve everything. Could the sub patterns been better?? Sure, but Derkack scoring 26 with 3s, wasn't on anyone's bingo card.

If Derkack can carry over some of his play today for the rest of the season, there's something there to build on.

This is a freshman led roster and it's the reality of the situation. Whining about the portal with a NIL deficient program in comparison to the top of the B1G, gets you nowhere fast.

Wish Grant and Dortch played a lot more minutes back in November and December, I'm fairly certain RU would be in better shape today if that occurred. 11 games left to keep pushing these freshman out there.
 
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Again.i just disagree. If you get players that want to be here..they won’t chase the money.
I agree. Money clearly important, but it’s not everything.

If you have players bought into the program and believe you’re developing them properly, they aren’t going to leave.

Of course, this assumes they’re getting quality minutes.
 
If you read my post above - I give my opinion.

Pike has had the most success with under recruited, blue collar guys. When that philosophy stops working for him - that’s when I’d consider it a coaching issue.

He certainly constructed this roster with transfers - and one and dones - and again, it’s not the roster that fits his style.

Get back to basics next year, and if that fails that’s when I’d say it’s a pikiell problem
Under recruited blue collar guys: that is literally the roster minus Dylan and Ace. We’re 10-10.
 
Ok ..we agree.

The solution - to me - is not relying on the portal as much and going back to what made him successful. This works / he’s beaten #1 teams with this approach in the past.

You want to adapt and stay new school with a different coach.

Two different approaches..both could work. But with pikes contract - I don’t think it’s wise to fire him
Greater emphasis on retention while being very strategic with your portal adds.
 
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Yeah, it's a lot his fault. As a coach he should be able to correct it. You play defense with your feet - teach it, and he won't commit dumb fouls. He doesn't teach sh7t, which is why we need to FIND THE MONEY.
Find the money. Find the money. Find the money. You idiot.
 
Under recruited blue collar guys: that is literally the roster minus Dylan and Ace. We’re 10-10.
True

I think Pike's formula just doesn't work in the portal era. He wants to have players on his system for years connected on defense but it's going to be major roster turnover year over year

The offensive philosophy needs to change too

Also Pike should tell Martini and Acuff to not go 1-11 from 3... players need to step up
 
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All of auburn’s top 5 scorers are either former transfers or freshmen lol
Exactly. Houston is the best example of a team that mainly has a core of developed players who were recruited by Kelvin Sampson with transfers to add more depth to the team. That is the type of team Pike has tried to build in the past, but he has not been able to maximize the talent on the roster, especially when it comes to game-day coaching.

In today's day in age, you definitely CAN still win with underrecruited players and transfers that aren't in the let's say, Top 30 transfers in the portal for a given season. It just puts more emphasis on knowing how to use your NIL wisely (retention with some transfers to supplement the roster) and building a great team vision/culture that will convince players to stay for multiple years. Otherwise, you need a coach that's ELITE in multiple crucial components of coaching (recruiting, talent evaluation, gameday coaching, etc.)

Looking at a team like Houston, LJ Cryer was a highly ranked transfer in the portal when he transferred from Baylor. However, Kelvin Sampson has recruited players like J'Wan Roberts (outside the Top 200 in his high school class), Emanuel Sharp (outside the top 100 in his class, ranked relatively closely to the likes of Sommerville, Grant, Dortch) have stayed at Houston for multiple years and have developed into very good players. He also got Milos Uzan from the portal (#45 transfer in this year's class from Oklahoma)

Long story short, Pike CAN win with underrecruited players and transfers that aren't necessarily top targets in the portal. The last few seasons, however, he hasn't done a good job maintaining his team's vision to retain the top talent on RU and MAXIMIZE IT --- it seems like since Geo, Ron, Caleb, etc. have left, the program has still been in transition and trying to find the team's old identity.
 
Exactly. Houston is the best example of a team that mainly has a core of developed players who were recruited by Kelvin Sampson with transfers to add more depth to the team. That is the type of team Pike has tried to build in the past, but he has not been able to maximize the talent on the roster, especially when it comes to game-day coaching.

In today's day in age, you definitely CAN still win with underrecruited players and transfers that aren't in the let's say, Top 30 transfers in the portal for a given season. It just puts more emphasis on knowing how to use your NIL wisely (retention with some transfers to supplement the roster) and building a great team vision/culture that will convince players to stay for multiple years. Otherwise, you need a coach that's ELITE in multiple crucial components of coaching (recruiting, talent evaluation, gameday coaching, etc.)

Looking at a team like Houston, LJ Cryer was a highly ranked transfer in the portal when he transferred from Baylor. However, Kelvin Sampson has recruited players like J'Wan Roberts (outside the Top 200 in his high school class), Emanuel Sharp (outside the top 100 in his class, ranked relatively closely to the likes of Sommerville, Grant, Dortch) have stayed at Houston for multiple years and have developed into very good players. He also got Milos Uzan from the portal (#45 transfer in this year's class from Oklahoma)

Long story short, Pike CAN win with underrecruited players and transfers that aren't necessarily top targets in the portal. The last few seasons, however, he hasn't done a good job maintaining his team's vision to retain the top talent on RU and MAXIMIZE IT --- it seems like since Geo, Ron, Caleb, etc. have left, the program has still been in transition and trying to find the team's old identity.
Pike is a genius! He has been playing for next year all along!
 
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The type of player that pikiell thrives on developing…

The not as good under recruited hard working type.
You can't develop players anymore. That player you described either bombs as expected and contributes nothing, or improves on your dime and then looks to parley that into a payday elsewhere. Either way, you don't gain that much, even if the player himself turns out to be good. It's now essentially an annual roster turnover. Find and develop the diamond in the rough player is a bygone era I think
 
If you read my post above - I give my opinion.

Pike has had the most success with under recruited, blue collar guys. When that philosophy stops working for him - that’s when I’d consider it a coaching issue.

He certainly constructed this roster with transfers - and one and dones - and again, it’s not the roster that fits his style.

Get back to basics next year, and if that fails that’s when I’d say it’s a pikiell problem
Didn’t this fail last couple years?
 
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Exactly. Houston is the best example of a team that mainly has a core of developed players who were recruited by Kelvin Sampson with transfers to add more depth to the team. That is the type of team Pike has tried to build in the past, but he has not been able to maximize the talent on the roster, especially when it comes to game-day coaching.

In today's day in age, you definitely CAN still win with underrecruited players and transfers that aren't in the let's say, Top 30 transfers in the portal for a given season. It just puts more emphasis on knowing how to use your NIL wisely (retention with some transfers to supplement the roster) and building a great team vision/culture that will convince players to stay for multiple years. Otherwise, you need a coach that's ELITE in multiple crucial components of coaching (recruiting, talent evaluation, gameday coaching, etc.)

Looking at a team like Houston, LJ Cryer was a highly ranked transfer in the portal when he transferred from Baylor. However, Kelvin Sampson has recruited players like J'Wan Roberts (outside the Top 200 in his high school class), Emanuel Sharp (outside the top 100 in his class, ranked relatively closely to the likes of Sommerville, Grant, Dortch) have stayed at Houston for multiple years and have developed into very good players. He also got Milos Uzan from the portal (#45 transfer in this year's class from Oklahoma)

Long story short, Pike CAN win with underrecruited players and transfers that aren't necessarily top targets in the portal. The last few seasons, however, he hasn't done a good job maintaining his team's vision to retain the top talent on RU and MAXIMIZE IT --- it seems like since Geo, Ron, Caleb, etc. have left, the program has still been in transition and trying to find the team's old identity.
I think the best example is probably Purdue, no? Full of non-elite recruits and I think Lance Jones is the only transfer in the last two years. You can do it, but it is objectively much harder and Pike is no Painter.

This is probably massive cope, but Myles Johnson’s comments about the difficultly of learning Pike’s ball screen coverages. I think Sommerville, Grant and Nwuli could form a decent group in a couple years, but it would take some retention and some higher-caliber guards in the program.
 
The offense is frustrating. Again you see MSU constantly swinging the ball, players cutting, moving and screening. Our offense, too often players standing around and the ball sits or moves but very little players cutting or screening. Just moving the ball around the perimeter and someone hoisting a contested shot.
 
I think the best example is probably Purdue, no? Full of non-elite recruits and I think Lance Jones is the only transfer in the last two years. You can do it, but it is objectively much harder and Pike is no Painter.

This is probably massive cope, but Myles Johnson’s comments about the difficultly of learning Pike’s ball screen coverages. I think Sommerville, Grant and Nwuli could form a decent group in a couple years, but it would take some retention and some higher-caliber guards in the program.
Agreed. Houston, Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. all kind of similar in team construction and placing more emphasis on player development over multiple years.

I listed Houston as the best example because of play style, but Purdue is a good one as well
 
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Pike is an old school coach trying to adapt to new school basketball. Some coaches couldn’t handle that - jay wright, Tony Bennett, Jim Laranaga…some coaches never changed.

Others - like pike - are trying to adapt but failed. So go back you your roots and see if the success comes back.
Uh..what was his record last year and did he make the tourny either of his last two? Where's all this success your talking about,? 1 NCAA win?
Now we're comparing him to those three coaches? Really?!
 
Uh..what was his record last year and did he make the tourny either of his last two? Where's all this success your talking about,? 1 NCAA win?
Now we're comparing him to those three coaches? Really?
He saying those guys quit. He’s not comparing them. If you were to compare them though bringing Rutgers from where they were relatively to what they became and the other schools from what they were to what they became pike actually compares quite well
 
Agreed. Houston, Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. all kind of similar in team construction and placing more emphasis on player development over multiple years.

I listed Houston as the best example because of play style, but Purdue is a good one as well
For sure, and I’d honestly exchange being a somewhat worse team (maybe 10-15 in KenPom vs. 25-30) for some real continuity. Was watching back some of the highlights from the 21-22 season yesterday and there’s a real enjoyment factor in having watched all those guys develop into Rutgers/Pikiell men
 
He saying those guys quit. He’s not comparing them. If you were to compare them though bringing Rutgers from where they were relatively to what they became and the other schools from what they were to what they became pike actually compares quite well.
How does what Pike has done here compare quite well to what Wright and Bennett did? Pike has done a good job at Rutgers. Wright and Bennett are elite. They built programs that won national championships and had multiple final four appearances. No slight to Pike. Very few coaches are in the class of Wright and Bennett.
 
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How does what Pike has done here compare quite well to what Wright and Bennett did? Pike has done a good job at Rutgers. Wright and Bennett are elite. They built programs that won national championships and had multiple final four appearances. No slight to Pike. Very few coaches are in the class of Wright and Bennett.
Obviously winning a National championship isn’t comparable but none of them took over a program as horrible as Rutgers. Not even the same stratosphere. Not to mention shittier facilities no history less money etc.
 
Obviously winning a National championship isn’t comparable but none of them took over a program as horrible as Rutgers. Not even the same stratosphere. Not to mention shittier facilities no history less money etc.
What they accomplished was elite! Even with tradition and facilities, they were the best. I think you are underestimating how difficult that level of success is to achieve. What Pike has done here is nowhere near that.
 
What they accomplished was elite! Even with tradition and facilities, they were the best. I think you are underestimating how difficult that level of success is to achieve. What Pike has done here is nowhere near that.
Eh regardless that wasn’t what he was talking about so it’s irrelevant. Rutgers will never win a National championship because they don’t have the history or support necessary so it’s a moot point. Neither of those guys could have the success they had there here full stop n
 
Uh..what was his record last year and did he make the tourny either of his last two? Where's all this success your talking about,? 1 NCAA win?
Now we're comparing him to those three coaches? Really?!

He’s the most successful head coach here in decades. If you don’t realize the success he’s had here I can’t continue this discussion.

Good night!
 
Fail is not making the NCAA tournament. Especially in a year with the two most talented players ever to wear an RU uniform.

This is a failed year. I agree.

But he’s had success here (making tournament) so again..he needs to get back to the roots of what brought that success. Hopefully he gets it next year
 
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He’s the most successful head coach here in decades. If you don’t realize the success he’s had here I can’t continue this discussion.

Good night!
He’s def the most successful coach past tense. He has failed the last 3 years and is now FAILING at a level that has never happened in collegiate basketball history.

He had a nice run with one core group of recruits (losing games costing us tournament wins or even regular season collapses costing us bids). The roster is bare with potentially 2 to Zero D1 players on next years roster. (Lathan Grant).

It’s over for him it’s just easier once you get past your denial phase.
 
all transfers have bombed. A good game here or there happens. Pike’s transfer hit rate is like our 3 pt shooting.

It’s so RU that we have a coach that would be more successful if this was 1995 or 2005.

He’s raised the floor but the ceiling is a high number seed in tourney.
 
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