Rutgers has the only coach that Schiano didn't want. But you don't want a coach that has a proven track record simply because he worked with Schiano. You've made your stupid opinion very clear. I get it.
PJ Fleck - He's Rolling Again! Is He Our Next Man?
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I think it is really funny that there are some people who are so down on themselves right now that they actually think we would have no chance at getting a coach that used to work for Rutgers and loved it so much that he borrowed nearly all of our game-day gimmicks. By funny, I don't mean ha ha funny.
I'm not a fan of him or his gimmicks and he still has more to prove IMO. I see a lot of flash/antics with him not sure how much substance is behind it all. I don't hold the OSU/MSU losses against him Georgia Southern looks like a pretty bad loss though.
His test will come at the end of the season similar to the B12 schedule and some in the AAC where the top teams in the conference will be playing each other. He finishes with Bowling Green/NIU/Toledo so let's see if he can win the conference. Even though I don't care for any of his antics it would be a step in the right direction to say hey there's something behind all the flash.
BTW should look at Gary Darnell/Bill Cubit, it's not as if they didn't have some similar years at WMU as well.
His test will come at the end of the season similar to the B12 schedule and some in the AAC where the top teams in the conference will be playing each other. He finishes with Bowling Green/NIU/Toledo so let's see if he can win the conference. Even though I don't care for any of his antics it would be a step in the right direction to say hey there's something behind all the flash.
BTW should look at Gary Darnell/Bill Cubit, it's not as if they didn't have some similar years at WMU as well.
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I dont think Fleck will end up at Rutgers. The media here would kill Rutgers for its lack of "vetting".
But its not that he has these "much better offers" lined up. Illinois is a good fit for him.
But its not that he has these "much better offers" lined up. Illinois is a good fit for him.
[roll] what a beech.. it's the internet.. she needs to grow some thicker skin..
You do realize that not a single school has hired anyone, nor will hire anyone for another month, right? All of the good coaches will be working until at least the MD game. Im guessing that people in Julie's office have a short list already prepared.
As for who to hire - how have MAC coaches done lately (left MAC school since 2001)
Urban Meyer to Utah
Terry Hoepner to Indiana (died)
Brian Kelly to Cincinnati
Brady Hoke to San Diego State
Turner Gill to Kansas
Butch Jones to Cincinnati
Michael Haywood to Pitt then arrested and fired
Jerry Kill to Minnesota
Al Golden to Miami
Tim Beckman to Illinois
Darrell Hazel to Purdue
Dave Doeren to NC State
Dave Clawson to Wake Forest
Obviously we cant really count Hoepner or Haywood. Beckman was turning Illinois around possibly, before he was fired.
Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, and Butch Jones had major success at the next level.
Hoke, Kill, and Golden have been mid-level successes
So far Clawson, Hazel, and Doeren havent gotten anything done.
So - well - its inconsluvive. The successes all seem to have been a while ago, and the latest hires havent been great.
Right there is where you said that Fleck was better. It doesn't matter anyway. My point is that Fleck would be a disaster, he is not a legitimate candidate, and people only mention him because he is a Schiano guy. He is totally unqualified, and unless his team wins out (and even then most likely), will not be considered for any P5 HC opportunity.
There is some merit in wanting to move another direction. If you can get Schiano himself, so be it. It wouldn't be what I wanted, but I can see the merit in the argument. Taking a Schiano disciple is just a short-sighted move, that I think would really only be considered by someone with a serious case of tunnel vision. There are legit candidates out there...they just need to be identified.
Also, I am not so sure we hired the only assistant Schiano didn't want. The HC position is the only position you cannot steal to be an assistant in the NFL, bevause it is more desirable to have a shot at being a head coach. So when Rutgers offered HCKF the job, he basically became unhireable to Greg. Remember, Greg promoted Flood to Co-OC just to keep him at RU.
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Now wait a minute!!! Way too much Campbell love and Fleck bashing, Fleck has gone from 1-11 to 8-5 to 5-3 this year.
On the other hand what did Campbell inherit? Prior to Campbell's tenure, Toldeo went, 5-7 to 8-5 to 9-4 under Tim Beckman.
The idea that Campbell is significantly period full stop better than Fleck simply does not hold water. Had it far easier as Toldeo is a much better and far more established program.
For someone "to come here" someone here has to "go".From what I read on these boards it doesn't look as though that is going to happen.
At this point I'm all for rolling the dice on Fleck. He'd instantly make recruiting at least respectable again, and he's done well enough at WMU where I think he: (a) is worth the gamble, and (b) fits our price range. If he has similar good results in 2016 at WMU I think he would be in that Rhule/Fuentes range a.k.a. out of our league.
Just shooting spitballs at the wall to see what sticks, but will the 15 minutes Rutgers spends with GEICO to save on car insurance for its entire vehicle fleet plus a GEICO sponsorship deal give us the money to bring in a good coach? Or does it give us enough money to bring in Europe to play Final Countdown at the end of the Maryland game/end of the season?
Almost everyone is off the Flood wagon now so the act is getting old. You defend Schiano and knock everything Flood so much that it has become much worse then anyone who defended Flood.
Schiano recommended Flood as his replacement and more than likely would have been one of the first guys he would have taken to TB. Flood may not have worked out and maybe Schiano gets a second run at it...if he does, I will support him and the team as well. But let some of us discuss him and others and also don't just make stuff up. It's almost psychotic at this point.
Well answer this question than.
Should Rutgers not consider any coach that has worked with Schiano, simply based on the fact they worked with Schiano??
Simple answer- they should be judged on their own merits. Anyone saying a coach should not be considered for a job based only on who they worked with, is an idiot.
In regard to Fleck- I really don't have an opinion of him but would prefer Campbell if I had to choose and both were in the same price range.
Recruiting at a high level by MAC standards. In fact, his classes looked similar to ours on paper, at least last year (FYI, I don't want Fleck).
Yes, he can recruit but he isn't going to out recruit the big 4. Our next hire better excel at one side of the football so we can throw money at a big name coordinator on the opposite side. fleck brings the same problem as Flood, you are always one bad hire away from being screwed.
Completely agree he has done very well recruiting while there. The real questions are, can he out recruit Md, PSU, Mich, OSU and get 4 of our top 10 and a good amount of NJ top 25?
Also, just how good of a coach is he? I just don't know. You may know better then I do and you just stated you don't want him. There is something about him I just can't put my finger on.
why would any up and coming coach come here for the peanuts he will be paid, only flood, so cut him some slack already, we are what we are, cheapskates, i've been donating close to 40 years i don't know why we have such a cheap fan base but it is what it is
The CEO HC thing only really works at a place like Clemson bc they spend 700k plus on coordinators and have the money to fire them if needed.
I really like Fleck. I think he would stay here and be our coach long term and help really build something here, you can tell with all his "row the boat" and third down air guitar that he misses it here and I think this is his dream job. He's not just some outsider that will bolt, he can really be a guy the fans and team can rally around. And he's young, fresh, a great recruiter, really does less with more, and look at his play calling - it's everything opposite of vanilla, what our fans are always calling for. He really changed the program over there. Give him this big stage to work with and it could be great.
We have a cheap administration. The school is more than happy to reap the benefits of B1G but not willing to re-invest. I understand being smart in spending but if we need to drop an additional 5-6 mil over a 3 year period, then do it.
This is where we need Julie to step up and not be a pawn.
I agree and even then it doesn't always work look at Michigan and Brady Hoke. His coordinators were paid a lot. That worries me about Golden, he was a DC technically but he's another CEO type in my mind and very dependent on his coordinators and his coordinator choice leaves a lot to be desired looking at Miami.
Flood was hired, with ZERO years head coaching experience.
Fleck will have had three years HC experience, and with the current trajectory of this year's team, 2 out of 3 very solid years.
There is a major difference.
At this point, has PJ Fleck proven to you that he can be a successful head coach in the MAC?
No, the reason he is being mentioned is because he has proven to be a top flight recruiter (Best in the MAC two straight years, and on his way to 3 years in a row) and has an impressive record from year two (8-5) and currently in year three (5-3 overall 4-0). He was more competitive against Ohio State on the road then we were at home.
If you don't see that he is a coach on the rise, young, and getting it'd done, then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. There is a reason he is being discussed as a candidate by Illinois as well. Because he has a very bright future in front of him, and right now, we can afford him. Once he blows up to Tom Hermann proportions, that won't be the case.
Well, that was my only point. I don't think he is there yet to where he would make sense as a hire. For me, there are much better candidates out there. But you are free to have your opinion. I would rather a better coach than recruiter, because we have talent on the squad now, and no matter who we hire it is going to take a little while to get recruiting going anyway. I would rather have a strong X and O coach, preferably from the offensive side of the ball. Would much rather someone with coordinator experience, so that we do not have to spend big money on 2 solid coordinators. Get an HC with a fair amount of OC experience, and then spend some $$ to get him a solid DC.
PJ Fleck was a far cry from Tom Herman when he was hired. Tom Herman had 9 years of OC experience (and a national title) when Houston hired him. PJ Fleck had 2 years as a WR coach in the Big East, and one in the NFL, that he probably never would have gotten but for Greg. He has played his career well so far, made good moves to parlay the opportunity Greg gave him into an HC job, but in no way is he anything more than speculation at this point. He has a long way to go before he "blows up to Tom Herman proportions."
Stupid comment, as it is widely known he didn't cheat, hence the reason for the lawsuit against the two people who defamed him.
What has he done well?
How about the fact that he is a killer recruiter, and currently has his team undefeated in conference (4-0) this year after going 8-5 in his second year?
How about the fact that he put up a bigger fight on the road against Ohio State then Flood did at home?
This is a guy that will be out of our reach in another year. Right now, he is not.
No he doesn't. Flood has been emptying the cupboard. At least if you have a guy who can recruit well but fails at Xs and Os, the cupboard is somewhat full (see Michigan, Florida). I don't want Fleck as he is another Schiano wannabe surrounded by Schiano re-treads. That being said, he can recruit at least. Flood cannot. Funny how you are now concerned about out recruiting the B1G schools with a new HC. 3 months ago it was a different tune.
Not at all. Where in my post did I say I was concerned about recruiting? I have said since day 1 we will never out recruit the big 4 and could only win with superior x and O's. Which I why I always spoke highly of a guy like Killl. I made no reference to Fleck the recruiter, I simply stated a complaint about Flood was he was never a successful coordinator and I pointed out the same can be said about Fleck. You guys also repeatedly ignore that I never said Flood was going to win big here, I always saw him as ad placeholder until we had full share and could afford a 4-5 million dollar a year guy. You guys also ignore that after the report came out I said he deserved to be fired and we would simply have to roll the dice that we don't end up with 7-8 more years of 6 or 7 win seasons.
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Lol. It's not widely known he didn't cheat. It's wildly known that he denies sleeping with a major boosters wife. That says nothing about the other stories......
