Of course, that's not true either. That's why Tom Jurich is no longer AD at Louisville.Winning isn’t everything - it’s the ONLY thing.
I think someone said that
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Of course, that's not true either. That's why Tom Jurich is no longer AD at Louisville.Winning isn’t everything - it’s the ONLY thing.
I think someone said that
Personally I usually try to refrain from commenting on Fast Freddie but when your talking past AD's he has to be in the conversation.Let's be honest. How football and basketball do under his tenure will be the primary metrics on which Hobbs is judged. Sure, there will be other measures, but all of them combined would not be enough to overcome FB and BB performance.
Fred Gruninger moved Rutgers from D1AA to D1A, got the football stadium expanded, built the Hale Center, and built the RAC. Although he failed to recognize that Rutgers should have joined the BB-only Big East (and later had Rutgers join the FB+BB Big East), that is only a failure because our basketball program languished. Gruninger is considered a failure because football and basketball declined and were unsuccessful in the later part of his tenure.
On the other hand, Mulcahy pretty much accomplished nothing other than hire Schiano to lead resurgence of the football program. Any other good stuff that occurred in Mulcahy's tenure is directly linked to Schiano elevating the football program. And because of Mulcahy's hire of Schiano, this thread is putting him in contention as "best AD ever".
Of course, that's not true either. That's why Tom Jurich is no longer AD at Louisville.
Ummm.... Gruninger isn't "my boy"; I said he was a failure. And I'm not knocking Mulcahy; I said he was a success.Personally I usually try to refrain from commenting on Fast Freddie but when your talking past AD's he has to be in the conversation.
Let's put it this way, if you reworded this poll
and asked who the worst AD in Rutgers history is/was? Your boy would win hands down. Don't want to be to harsh the guy is retired, but in his tenure that whole athletic department was the laughing stock of college sports.The only thing that you could possibly say in his defense is that some of the decisions concerning athletics were made by higher ups.
I find it comical you want to knock Bob Mulcahy, but if you recall when he took the job ,We had to self report NCAA violations (from the previous regime) and put ourselves on probation.
Julie Hermann came from Louisville. What a classy school that is.Yeah because the AD’s we fired were way better than anything jurich ever did !
Julie Hermann came from Louisville. What a classy school that is.
I never knew that.We can disagree about who was the best and who was the worst.
But I think we all can agree the person who wanted the AD position when Mulcahy was hired would have been a disaster and failing to get the position did his best to obstruct Mulcahy from reaching the goals he set for RU's FB Program.
George Zoffinger made Mulcahy's vision for how to make RU into a name brand so much harder to do and many of us forget the obsticles Zoffinger put in front of Mulcahy in an effort to see him fail.
Upstream totally misread your post. Time for a new eyeglass prescription.Ummm.... Gruninger isn't "my boy"; I said he was a failure. And I'm not knocking Mulcahy; I said he was a success.
Here’s a hatchet job on Rutgers Athletics when Mulcahy was forced out.I never knew that.
I remember the person that wrote this blog, at one time she used an anonymous source to show prove stadium expansion wasn't needed.
The problem with that source was the source was a poster on NJO.com's Rutgers football board that went by the name anonymous. I'm not joking because I posted that info in comment section of her blog and was promptly banned for posting it in comment section .
Pernetti definitely deserves consideration though I did not vote for him. His critics say he hired 2 coaches that embarrassed the University but from my viewpoint 1) Flood's problems were under Herman's tenure. He was pretty much squeaky clean while he worked under Pernetti, and 2) Pernetti handled the Mike Rice situation the way an executive should - he started an investigation and hired an outside firm to run it, he acted on their recommendations and dealt out what should have been sufficient penalties - namely an in season suspension without pay, counselling and monitoring. While no one knew what the suspension was for, it was stated in several places that Rice's behavior on the sideline did improve after the penalties were doled out. Then ESPN got the tape and Barchi had to find a scapegoat for the fact that he did not get involved at the beginning. The fact that Tim was in charge when we got the conference invite definitely outweighs the negatives from Rice and certainly from Flood, who had his best season under Tim.
I voted for Mulcahy as he had the least to work with and the deepest hole to get out of. He put us in position for the Big Ten invite.
I would probably place Pernetti and Hobbs even but expect that a year from now, Hobbs will be challenging Mulcahy for the top spot.
Floods pattern of activity began under Pernetti..thats not on her..I liked Mike Rice but his handling of it was atrocious and incompetant, that alone should keep him anywhere from receiving any credit for anything.
I know you are a big fan and I respect that, bit Tim's hands were tied every step of the way on the Mike Rice situation. He is ON THE RECORD as saying he wanted to fire him immediately but when Barchi and the BOG found out that they could not fire him for cause, TP was forced to do the next best thing.
The record is from the independent investigator.Of course the lawyers "never told him" or the administrators "never overturned" his decision - do you really think those entities would put anything like that on record? Geeze!
this is correct, he was told that he could fire rice but money was an issueThat really sounds like revisionist history. I'd be interested in the record that you say indicates your version of events.
Meanwhile, here is a link to the Skadden Report ( https://middlestates.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Skadden Report 7-22-2013 (00009072xDE114).PDF ). This is the record that shows that shows that the lawyers never told Pernetti that he couldn't fire Rice, and that contrary to what you claim neither Barchi nor the BOG overturned what you claim was Pernetti's decision to fire Rice. The record shows that Pernetti was concerned that if Rice were fired that he would need to be paid the value of his contract, and that the only recommendation that Pernetti developed and proposed to Barchi and the BOG was to discipline Rice.
The Pernetti sycophants on this board act like Pernetti was a low-level clerk whose only responsibility was to execute the directions of his manager. In fact, Pernetti was a high-level executive whose responsibility was to assess the situation and develop a well thought-out plan. That is what Pernetti did, but unfortunately it was the wrong plan. (And the fact that Barchi and the BOG did not overturn Pernetti's recommendation does not clear Pernetti of responsibility for his plan. The fact that they did not overturn him is just representative of their trust at the time that Pernetti was a competent executive who had formulated the appropriate plan.)
While I am in the 99% who love Pat Hobbs as both the face and future of RU athletics and truly hope that 5 years from now he is a clear cut top choice, he has yet to have any type of on field success in our over matched B10 but has made great progress fund raising and kept us relatively scandal free
The best thing that has happened to RU in the last 30 years was getting our invite into the B10 and I believe that credit can almost be equally split between Mulcahy ( who set the table) and Pernetti (who served the food)
Our best success in major sports occurred with Mulcahy and/or Pernetti both of whom got majorly screwed by NJ media and politics but also had success with much weaker competition. I truly believe that we will never have an AD who loves Rutgers more than Tim Pernetti but as a Villanova grad, Mulcagy had a lot of Jersey in him as well
Mulcahy navigated the NJ political field quite well and did more in his 11 years than the progress we made 30 years prior and really set the stage for us to go big time
In the end, both Mulcahy and Pernetti were fired due to an over zealous NJ media that loves to devour it's own, but history will show how lucky we were to not be stuck like UConn or even BC/Syracuse who are both shadows of their former selves
So, please stray away from the Out of Sight - Out of Mind and give your objective reasons on who is the best AT THIS POINT IN TIME
That really sounds like revisionist history. I'd be interested in the record that you say indicates your version of events.
Meanwhile, here is a link to the Skadden Report ( https://middlestates.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Skadden Report 7-22-2013 (00009072xDE114).PDF ). This is the record that shows that shows that the lawyers never told Pernetti that he couldn't fire Rice, and that contrary to what you claim neither Barchi nor the BOG overturned what you claim was Pernetti's decision to fire Rice. The record shows that Pernetti was concerned that if Rice were fired that he would need to be paid the value of his contract, and that the only recommendation that Pernetti developed and proposed to Barchi and the BOG was to discipline Rice.
The Pernetti sycophants on this board act like Pernetti was a low-level clerk whose only responsibility was to execute the directions of his manager. In fact, Pernetti was a high-level executive whose responsibility was to assess the situation and develop a well thought-out plan. That is what Pernetti did, but unfortunately it was the wrong plan. (And the fact that Barchi and the BOG did not overturn Pernetti's recommendation does not clear Pernetti of responsibility for his plan. The fact that they did not overturn him is just representative of their trust at the time that Pernetti was a competent executive who had formulated the appropriate plan.)
That really sounds like revisionist history. I'd be interested in the record that you say indicates your version of events.
Meanwhile, here is a link to the Skadden Report ( https://middlestates.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Skadden Report 7-22-2013 (00009072xDE114).PDF ). This is the record that shows that shows that the lawyers never told Pernetti that he couldn't fire Rice, and that contrary to what you claim neither Barchi nor the BOG overturned what you claim was Pernetti's decision to fire Rice. The record shows that Pernetti was concerned that if Rice were fired that he would need to be paid the value of his contract, and that the only recommendation that Pernetti developed and proposed to Barchi and the BOG was to discipline Rice.
The Pernetti sycophants on this board act like Pernetti was a low-level clerk whose only responsibility was to execute the directions of his manager. In fact, Pernetti was a high-level executive whose responsibility was to assess the situation and develop a well thought-out plan. That is what Pernetti did, but unfortunately it was the wrong plan. (And the fact that Barchi and the BOG did not overturn Pernetti's recommendation does not clear Pernetti of responsibility for his plan. The fact that they did not overturn him is just representative of their trust at the time that Pernetti was a competent executive who had formulated the appropriate plan.)
Let's be honest: Tim was nominated for AD of the year because Rutgers got the Big Ten invite. Whoever was AD at the time of our invite would have received the same honor as Delany was the driving force behind the invite. While Tim didn't screw up our invite, he did screw up football and basketball with terrible hires. I don't necessarily agree he was "the worst AD that Rutgers ever had" but he's far from the best. And it pains me to say that because I know how much he bleeds Scarlet and I really wanted him to succeed.And if you get nominated for AD of the year but you are " the worst AD that Rutgers ever had" our other AD's must be on a level with Barry Alvarez or even better
Pesky facts are not allowed in discussions like this!If you are curious to know what On the Record means, perhaps you should look at his letter of resignation . Keep in mind, that no one loved Rutgers more than Tim and his . resignation letter was a public document, so he was being VERY kind to Barchi who either railroaddr him to save his own job or outright lied about never seeing the tape that TP gave him. And if you get nominated for AD of the year but you are " the worst AD that Rutgers ever had" our other AD's must be on a level with Barry Alvarez or even better
https://articles.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2013/04/tim_pernetti_i_wanted_to_fire.amp
Those guys were followed by Eddie Jordan and Chris Ash. Yeah, they were hired by different ADs, but you can make the argument that they were worse.Thankfully Tim was gone by then too. Pernett’s two hires were mike rice and Kyle flood. How does that get any worse?
Why isn't Grunninger in the list? And Hermann?