Poll: IF we miss the tournament, is it time to fire Pike?
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The answer to such a question depends heavily on what the strategy for replacing him would be.
Are we paying up for an already proven winner? Or are we hiring another solid coach from a Stony Brook level program? Because the latter is just rolling the dice and I don’t see any reason to do that.
Are we paying up for an already proven winner? Or are we hiring another solid coach from a Stony Brook level program? Because the latter is just rolling the dice and I don’t see any reason to do that.
we should be able to outbid any school outside the power 4 and a couple in the big east, so at the very least we could get an accomplished coach from the A-10 or AAC. we can also probably pay more than most Big 12 and ACC programs if we chose to do so. but I agree there’s no reason to hire another low major coach who took his program to the tournament one time.
I could understand choosing option 2 here, but it’s disheartening to see that many of you would be willing to put up with this indefinitely
Holloway, I am sure you are referring to Shaheen. That would be a real kick in the ass to Brandin Knight who is first cousins with Sha.
This, exactly. If RU is not willing or able to commit to raising the level of this program from where Pikes has brought it, you might as well let him stay on. Don't fire the man just to hire a different coach of a similar profile, or worse.
The problem is that you didn’t have another option between 1 more year and finish out his contract.
If we have to choose between those 2 then obviously Pike has built up enough credibility to go beyond 1 more year.
How about run the numbers factoring in Pike's buyout as well as replacing the entire staff. Then factor in what might be an entire roster turnover including incoming recruits and the NIL that would be necessary to attract a respectable and competitive new roster. Also factor in first having to replace the President and AD. The real question is are we the type of fanbase that will quickly and readily fund all of this to build an immediate contender and avoid a 3 year rebuild to get back to current state and build from there?
Replace Pike with a coach who is dead last in the Big East? Seriously?
No. Esp not Holloway who is doing worse than Pike and is already at a power conference school.
I don’t know that much about the Princeton coach… I know he’s done well there but it’s a gamble whether than translates up to the Big Ten.
this is not my job, but if we’re gonna be a B1G athletic program you can’t worry too much about the cost of hiring and firing staff, barring extremely high buyouts, which pike does not have anymore with Hobbs out
He’s clueless. Sha is dead last in the Big East and hasn’t made a tournament at SHU.
Pike sucks because he doesn’t run an offense. Let’s hire the guy with.. the #298 offense.
Chow is not a person to be taken seriously.
This team was 1.25 minutes, 4 points away from being 9-2, with 2 wins over top 20 teams! What the hell is the matter with some people?
A case to keep Pike should not rely on arguing that this current team is good. Anything can still happen but all signs point to this being a mediocre team.
And Mitch Henderson coached a hell of one game. Let’s give him the keys to the program over the guy who dragged this program out of a flaming dumpster and put together 4 tournament worthy seasons. Not a serious poster at all.
we are losing games (Kennesaw, Princeton) and barely holding in games (ND, Seton Hall) that we should be winning by double digits. pike has made a mess out of a team that has two nba lottery picks for the first time in program history
Henderson seems like a reasonable candidate if we found ourselves without a coach but not the kind of splash hire that would make me interested in pulling the plug now.
I’ll give you 3 tourney worthy seasons with the Covid year but I’m not giving Pike credit for failing to be selected
Next years roster should also be capable of competing for bid, so ya know, let’s fire Pike and start all over.
what makes you think that? we’re barely even competing for a bid right now
After 14 seasons at Princeton, you’ve also gotta wonder why he hasn’t been plucked by a bigger program. Or if he’s just happy with the stability and reasonable expectations of the fan base.
Next year we will have continuity and experience. And 3 4*s. The doom and gloom really doesn’t match reality.
We have 3 players with 1 year of experience and 2 of those guys were out. The other 9 guys are new. It’s not easy to get 12 guys on the same page right away.
we have gotten worse in each of the last three seasons so why is next year going to turn things around?
I don't agree with the premise.
Quite frankly the 2022-23 team was better than the 2021-22 team but I expect you will hard disagree on that.
But even leaving that aside this years' team is better than last years'.
I’ll admit, I really don’t pay much attention, or give much weight to anything you say.
and it’s that sort of willful ignorance that will allow Pike’s mediocrity to continue
Regardless...
I'm not necessarily predicting we are better next year. In this day and age of the transfer portal it's hard to predict much of anything before seeing the roster. But if we manage to hold more of the roster together than we have the past couple years I expect a huge improvement on defense. Most of Pike's teams AT STONY BROOK were better defensively than our current team.
Not really, unless to you the "result" is literally just what the tournament committee says.
Kenpom
21-22 #77
22-23 #39
T-Rank
21-22 #75
22-23 #39
Massey
21-22 #60
22-23 #53
TeamRankings
21-22 #66
22-23 #34
NET
21-22 #80
22-23 #40
It’s no. He gets 2 more seasons no matter what . Unless he quits
yes, the only results I generally care about are whether we make/miss the tournament and how we perform in it. of course, I’d also like to compete for B1G championships but I’m more concerned with getting to the big dance on a near-annual basis
Okay. But when you insist that a team that was rated significantly better by every single rating system I can find was in fact worse, you lose your credibility in the conversation.
The kind of person who forms their complete opinion of a team based on its performance in one single elimination tournament instead of evaluating it holistically is not well equipped to make decisions on these things.
I’ll accept your well proven point that 2022-2023 was statistically a better team than the prior year, but then why couldn’t Pikiell manage it well enough to make the tournament? Whether his team is 40th or 80th in KenPom, Pike will find a way to achieve mediocre results. Our best regular seasons have still had us squarely on the bubble.
But the whole sport and industry is based on what happens in that single elimination tournament and getting into that tournament
Pike was very good at stony Brook. But never made the tournament . Until he did ….and then got a big promotion that week
First, Pikes isn't going anywhere after this season. But, second, if your ideas to replace him are Holloway or Henderson, I'm pretty sure you don't watch much college hoops beyond Rutgers. First off, I highly doubt either come here--particularly Holloway who turned down a couple of bigger names last year to stay at SHU. Secondly, there are so many coaches out there--but if we fire the one guy who has done it here in the last 30 years, I wonder who would even be interested.
