Pollock to Youngstown State-

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Have you or anyone who thinks he is not a D1 player actually see him play in a live game? I'm guessing no and most of you probably never even played the sport at any level. Stay classy RU.

Yes I have. I watched his entire all star game last year start to finish. And at that time private messaged many board members my opinion of him that he was a D2/D3 level player. Listen, he's a good kid, just as im a good kid and I wish him well but we're not all d1 football players.

 

[mikemarc1]

Yes I have. I watched his entire all star game last year start to finish. And at that time private messaged many board members my opinion of him that he was a D2/D3 level player. Listen, he's a good kid, just as im a good kid and I wish him well but we're not all d1 football players.

He's playing D1 football. He's obviously a D1 football player.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Yes I have. I watched his entire all star game last year start to finish. And at that time private messaged many board members my opinion of him that he was a D2/D3 level player. Listen, he's a good kid, just as im a good kid and I wish him well but we're not all d1 football players.

Do you think it is okay to paint a negative picture of a kid just so you can win an argument? Some of what you say may be somewhat accurate but I call BS on other things you are saying.

We don't know for sure what transpired nor should we really care. Let's focus on the kids who are here and be positive about them instead.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Do you think it is okay to paint a negative picture of a kid just so you can win an argument? Some of what you say may be somewhat accurate but I call BS on other things you are saying.

We don't know for sure what transpired nor should we really care. Let's focus on the kids who are here and be positive about them instead.

I dont think i was painting a negative picture of him. By all accounts he's a great kid and as I said I wish him well. But this is a football message board where we come to talk football and analyze the play of recruits and players. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of play.

 

[Yeah Baby]

I dont think i was painting a negative picture of him. By all accounts he's a great kid and as I said I wish him well. But this is a football message board where we come to talk football and analyze the play of recruits and players. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of play.

Fair enough. I have many opinions about people that I don't share on public so I am just wondering if this when thread is necessary. I am only calling you about because of the Michigan offer. That is your opinion and not a fact but either way unnecessary IMO.

 

[retired711]

I think we need some *evidence* before people start accusing the program of being at fault. The simplest explanation is that Flood recruited him and the new staff didn't see enough in him. So the kid left so that he could have playing time.

 

[MADHAT1]

For all I know Flood made Pollock feel he would probably be a main part of the LB corps in Flood's D, while Ash let him know what it would take to do that and what Jon was up against in the D RU would be running.
Result: change in D strategy made Pollock feel uncomfortable about sticking to his commit and decided it would be better to go to a program that he fit better with.

As for his talent I won't knock it because a few P-5 schools offered him and I won't claim to be a better judge of talent then the coaches that run those programs.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/140331

 

[Pritz99]

Just to veer off the subject a little: What's a commitable offer? Does that mean there is a "non-commitable offer?" Is it like "double secret probation?" I always figured an offer was an offer. So what's going on here?

 

[koleszar]

On November 12, 2015 - Jonathan Pollock officially signed his Big Ten financial aid paperwork and then he enrolled at Rutgers on January 15, 2016.
The signing of the Big Ten financial aid paperwork on November 12, 2015 then prevented him from attending any Big Ten school other than Rutgers without losing two years of eligibility.
The signing of this agreement on November 12, 2015 also ensured Pollock his Rutgers scholarship as he prepared for early enrollment.

He was essentially irrevocably signed sealed & delivered - in just about all ways possible - while Flood was still Head Coach - prior to Flood's final game - and weeks before Ash was announced as Head Coach.

So, precisely how did the new coaching staff - in any way - "screw" this recruit? Doubt that anybody made rash, irrational promises of immediate playing time - that would be next to impossible to believe & would have been totally unnecessary since there was already binding commitments in place before the new staff was in place.

Facts really suck. Didn't you know that. Please stop posting them you're making posters look silly.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Just to veer off the subject a little: What's a commitable offer? Does that mean there is a "non-commitable offer?" Is it like "double secret probation?" I always figured an offer was an offer. So what's going on here?

Some scholarship offers are unconditional. The player can accept at anytime, and a scholarship will be available for them. These are Plan A recruits.

Many scholarship offers are not unconditional. These are Plan B and C kids. They are recruited, and have an offer, but the staff may not actually accept the commitment if they are still waiting on other kids.

 

[jtung230]

Yes I have. I watched his entire all star game last year start to finish. And at that time private messaged many board members my opinion of him that he was a D2/D3 level player. Listen, he's a good kid, just as im a good kid and I wish him well but we're not all d1 football players.

I wouldn't judge a player based on an all star game, especially a defensive player. Best of luck to him.

 

[yesrutgers01]

can we be honest with ourselves for a second. If harbaugh called pollock it was nothing more than him trying to screw around with Rutgers. The convo probably went like harbaugh saying "hey we want to offer you a scholarship" while in his head thinking maybe he can get pollock to start talking about michigan after being 1000% all Rutgers just to make Floods life even harder than it already was.

His offer to UM was about as commitable as your and mine offer to UM

So, you are making an assumption as you don't even believe Harbaugh called him in the first place. This explains how and who you are.

I do back you up that you were one of the few from day one didn't see a D1 talent...your level of experience over professionals, notwithstanding...
But please do not try to explain Harbaugh's thinking when you do not even believe Harbaugh thought about him...smh lakers must have pissed you off too

 

[Extra Point]

Would a coach rather be short at the linebacker position instead of having a not to bad linebacker that will get better?

 

[JoeRU0304]

So, you are making an assumption as you don't even believe Harbaugh called him in the first place. This explains how and who you are.

I do back you up that you were one of the few from day one didn't see a D1 talent...your level of experience over professionals, notwithstanding...
But please do not try to explain Harbaugh's thinking when you do not even believe Harbaugh thought about him...smh lakers must have pissed you off too

This situation is strange because people whose info I tend to respect are at polar opposites. I sort of get it but also don't quite get the snideness towards kyk, especially since the transfer is to YSU (quality school/ program IMO) when it was insinuated it was going to be to a 1A program. For all I know the kid may end up being the next Sam Mills or Gary Brackett but for every Brackett there's 10 Rashidi Browns (still the best NJ HS RB I ever saw live and he couldn't crack the lineup at Clemson or a mid-90's Rutgers that was 4-7, 2-9, 0-11 from '95-'97.


Joe P.

 

[BKObserver]

So, you are making an assumption as you don't even believe Harbaugh called him in the first place. This explains how and who you are.

I do back you up that you were one of the few from day one didn't see a D1 talent...your level of experience over professionals, notwithstanding...
But please do not try to explain Harbaugh's thinking when you do not even believe Harbaugh thought about him...smh lakers must have pissed you off too

Maybe the same way he pissed off the Dr Phillips coaches about playing time

 

[sct1111]

For you people saying he's not a D1 player, get real. Pollock is higher rated than 2 of our starting linebackers this year coming out of high school. For you guys saying Rutgers is too good or too deep at linebacker for Pollock, you are delusional to say the least. Linebacker is by far our worst position group right now and is probably FCS level as it is.

 

[vkj91]

This post is so misleading and so sad.

Please explain how so.

 

[BKObserver]

Please explain how so.

For starters, he was never a D1 level athlete. Instead of appreciating the fact that pollock got the golden ticket by gaming the system and finding a chump in Flood, the father couldn't help himself and be his usual snowplow parent self. He wasn't used or anything remotely of that sort. He rode the train as far as it could go.

 

[vkj91]

For starters, he was never a D1 level athlete. Instead of appreciating the fact that pollock got the golden ticket by gaming the system and finding a chump in Flood, the father couldn't help himself and be his usual snowplow parent self. He wasn't used or anything remotely of that sort. He rode the train as far as it could go.

Feel better? If we assume he isn't a D1 athlete and I'm not saying he is, then fr what reason would Ash accept his commitment. Anybody with half a brain knows others were told to seek scholarships elsewhere because they didn't fit. Why wasn't he? What was different about him from the others?

 

[NickyNewark51]

Oh boy. Its so far deeper than that

Maybe its better i don't know??

 

[BKObserver]

Feel better? If we assume he isn't a D1 athlete and I'm not saying he is, then fr what reason would Ash accept his commitment. Anybody with half a brain knows others were told to seek scholarships elsewhere because they didn't fit. Why wasn't he? What was different about him from the others?

because everyone got the opportunity to keep their scholarship.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Have you or anyone who thinks he is not a D1 player actually see him play in a live game? I'm guessing no and most of you probably never even played the sport at any level. Stay classy RU.

Personally I'd have kept him under any circumstances if he wanted to stay.....otherwise i wish him nothing but bona fortuna!!!

 

[NickyNewark51]

Just to veer off the subject a little: What's a commitable offer? Does that mean there is a "non-commitable offer?" Is it like "double secret probation?" I always figured an offer was an offer. So what's going on here?

non commitables are generally "back up'' plans in case 1 or 2 don't commit!! I think? lol

 

[NickyNewark51]

This situation is strange because people whose info I tend to respect are at polar opposites. I sort of get it but also don't quite get the snideness towards kyk, especially since the transfer is to YSU (quality school/ program IMO) when it was insinuated it was going to be to a 1A program. For all I know the kid may end up being the next Sam Mills or Gary Brackett but for every Brackett there's 10 Rashidi Browns (still the best NJ HS RB I ever saw live and he couldn't crack the lineup at Clemson or a mid-90's Rutgers that was 4-7, 2-9, 0-11 from '95-'97.


Joe P.

I'm as confused as you JoeRu!!!

 

[JoeRU0304]

Personally I'd have kept him under any circumstances if he wanted to stay.....otherwise i wish him nothing but bona fortuna!!!

I hear you, though it seems like there's more below the surface (also sort of glad to be an 'outsider' with this stuff in situations like this). In a completely unrelated subject, this one's for you Nick:

Bonus:

Joe P.

 

[rutino]

Feel better? If we assume he isn't a D1 athlete and I'm not saying he is, then fr what reason would Ash accept his commitment. Anybody with half a brain knows others were told to seek scholarships elsewhere because they didn't fit. Why wasn't he? What was different about him from the others?

See RUMBKA-JK's post earlier in this thread where he posted excerpts from a Todderick Hunt article dated November 12 which announced Pollack signed his scholarship paperwork that day - prior to Flood being fired and Ash being hired. This made him a Rutgers commit which bore the same weight as signing a letter of intent (according to Todderick's article). This is what apparently made him different from the players who had not signed letters of intent or scholarship paperwork. Stinks, but it seems like Jonathan was stuck.

 

[koleszar]

For you people saying he's not a D1 player, get real. Pollock is higher rated than 2 of our starting linebackers this year coming out of high school. For you guys saying Rutgers is too good or too deep at linebacker for Pollock, you are delusional to say the least. Linebacker is by far our worst position group right now and is probably FCS level as it is.

Woah there Nelly!:eek: I know you're trying to be dramatic, but I wouldn't call our LB's FCS level talent. Young and inexperienced sure, but there is some talent there. Deonte Roberts, TJ Taylor(if he can stay healthy), Najee Clayton and Issiah Johnson are all well above FCS level recruits. There's a big drop in speed from the FBS level to FCS these guys would look like superstars in FCS. If you truly believe what you just wrote then your the delusional one.

 

[PaKnight]

See RUMBKA-JK's post earlier in this thread where he posted excerpts from a Todderick Hunt article dated November 12 which announced Pollack signed his scholarship paperwork that day - prior to Flood being fired and Ash being hired. This made him a Rutgers commit which bore the same weight as signing a letter of intent (according to Todderick's article). This is what apparently made him different from the players who had not signed letters of intent or scholarship paperwork. Stinks, but it seems like Jonathan was stuck.

He could have gone to any non-B1G team.

 

[rutino]

He could have gone to any non-B1G team.

I don't pretend to know the rules but maybe he didn't have many options open by the time the dust settled at RU or he felt he could make a go of it with Ash. Regardless, I wish him well.

From Todderick's article:
The Big Ten tender is similar to the National Letter of Intent prospective student-athletes sign on National Signing Day in that they bind the team and the recruit.
Similar agreements were put in place by all members of the "power five" conferences – the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Pac-12 and Big 12.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I hear you, though it seems like there's more below the surface (also sort of glad to be an 'outsider' with this stuff in situations like this). In a completely unrelated subject, this one's for you Nick:

Bonus:

Joe P.

As weird as the nickname Bellboys was...we made it "BAD" I'll always be a Bellboy and make them eat it!!....we had some rough teams....the Buc's though beat Ironhead Heywards Passaic when i was about 30 already but I'll take it!!! lol...

 

[RUMBA-JK]

See RUMBKA-JK's post earlier in this thread where he posted excerpts from a Todderick Hunt article dated November 12 which announced Pollack signed his scholarship paperwork that day - prior to Flood being fired and Ash being hired. This made him a Rutgers commit which bore the same weight as signing a letter of intent (according to Todderick's article). This is what apparently made him different from the players who had not signed letters of intent or scholarship paperwork. Stinks, but it seems like Jonathan was stuck.

Thanks for adding the the citation - original intent was just to simply & quickly pass along pertinent factors & associated dates - had I thought this was going to go on & on & on, would have gone into more detail & linked to the original article.

Mystified as to the reason for the agitation on the board over the move - by all public accounts the central parties ( the ones with real skin in the game) have parted ways on favorable terms and indicate that there are no hard feelings - and certainly Ash did not prevent Pollock from jumping to another B1G school - that options essentially went out the window while Flood was still here - - to have unwound his signed B1G financial agreement would have taken huge Red-Tape cutting shears & probably quite a bit of time ...

 

[NickyNewark51]

Thanks for adding the the citation - original intent was just to simply & quickly pass along pertinent factors & associated dates - had I thought this was going to go on & on & on, would have gone into more detail & linked to the original article.

Mystified as to the reason for the agitation on the board over the move - by all public accounts the central parties ( the ones with real skin in the game) have parted ways on favorable terms and indicate that there are no hard feelings - and certainly Ash did not prevent Pollock from jumping to another B1G school - that options essentially went out the window while Flood was still here - - to have unwound his signed B1G financial agreement would have taken huge Red-Tape cutting shears & probably quite a bit of time ...

Probably cause we accepted him as 1 of us....until i find out otherwise he still is.

 

[e5fdny]

Thanks for adding the the citation - original intent was just to simply & quickly pass along pertinent factors & associated dates - had I thought this was going to go on & on & on, would have gone into more detail & linked to the original article.

Mystified as to the reason for the agitation on the board over the move - by all public accounts the central parties ( the ones with real skin in the game) have parted ways on favorable terms and indicate that there are no hard feelings - and certainly Ash did not prevent Pollock from jumping to another B1G school - that options essentially went out the window while Flood was still here - - to have unwound his signed B1G financial agreement would have taken huge Red-Tape cutting shears & probably quite a bit of time ...

Do we know if anybody in the B1G was even interested at that point?

 

[MADHAT1]

For starters, he was never a D1 level athlete. Instead of appreciating the fact that pollock got the golden ticket by gaming the system and finding a chump in Flood, the father couldn't help himself and be his usual snowplow parent self. He wasn't used or anything remotely of that sort. He rode the train as far as it could go.

Seems like some P-5 conference schools ( Indiana,Mississippi St, North Carolina and Rutgers )
offered Pollock , so they might think he was D1 level talent or why offer.
Programs like Memphis, Temple & South Florida also offered, think Pollock might be better thought of than some here think his talent level is.
But I truthfully can't say if he is or not, just feel he might have some D1 level talent after looking at the offers he received.

 

[Yeah Baby]

For you people saying he's not a D1 player, get real. Pollock is higher rated than 2 of our starting linebackers this year coming out of high school. For you guys saying Rutgers is too good or too deep at linebacker for Pollock, you are delusional to say the least. Linebacker is by far our worst position group right now and is probably FCS level as it is.

You don't know if this is true or not. Your comments are just as bad as those saying Pollock is not good enough but worse if you are actually a Rutgers fan. He was highly rated. He had other offers. Maybe the system did not fit his skill set. Whatever the case may be, we do not need to take shots and him and for god sakes don't take shots at our current group of players. That is just silly.

 

[vkj91]

See RUMBKA-JK's post earlier in this thread where he posted excerpts from a Todderick Hunt article dated November 12 which announced Pollack signed his scholarship paperwork that day - prior to Flood being fired and Ash being hired. This made him a Rutgers commit which bore the same weight as signing a letter of intent (according to Todderick's article). This is what apparently made him different from the players who had not signed letters of intent or scholarship paperwork. Stinks, but it seems like Jonathan was stuck.

Not true. He signed his financial papers which only keep him from going to another B1G school. Nobody sane LOI until signing day.

 

[vkj91]

because everyone got the opportunity to keep their scholarship.

And Santa is real.
Funny, you guys all clamor to be like the big boys but when we act like them people don't want to believe it.

 

[miketd1]

Ash honored the scholarship. He owed Pollock nothing else.

If Pollock wants to leave, that's up to him.

I honestly think this is the best outcome for both parties.

 

[rutino]

Not true. He signed his financial papers which only keep him from going to another B1G school. Nobody sane LOI until signing day.

This Rivals article explains the significance of signed the financial aid papers differently than Todderick's article did:
https://n.rivals.com/news/new-aid-rule-benefits-players-programs
The signed financial aid agreement binds the school to the athlete, not the other way around. Athletes intending to enroll early can sign financial aid agreements with multiple schools, the schools that accept the papers must honor their scholarship offer.

 

[RU62]

And might I add does anyone really know what all may have been involved in his decision to transfer. In addition to perhaps football and an evaluation conversation with Ash maybe he use wasn't overly comfortable with the school or it didn't have the academic program he may have wanted given the demands of practice schedules and the like. There could be several other non related on the field reasons etc.

And for Kyk to give him a D2/D3 evaluation comment is ridiculous and especially from.an All Star game where certain rules are in play such as no blitzing or standard defenses only. I gues he must think he is more qualified than Bo Polini who has probably evaluated more players than most all of us combined. Sometimes it is better to keep your evaluation to yourself especially with a young man like Jon Pollock who has been a class act since his recruitment and now even his departure. D2/D3...you have to be kidding us.