Don't get a shot to compete? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Ash & Co. have been saying the past 8 months?
Pollock Transferring Out
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Yes because coach speak is always 100% honest.
I was really looking forward to watching him play for Rutgers. That said, I trust the coaches and everybody will move on and be fine.
Not saying it isn't, but your statement seems a little extreme. You're saying even if he were the best LB on the team, Ash would push him out because he didn't measure well.
I'm saying that coaches know what they want in a player and they have certain tangibles they are looking for. Maybe the mods can chime in as too how many reps he got in the spring? Look, I'm not saying the kid ever would have played here if given the chance, I'm simply saying he was never going to be given the chance.
The notion that he wasn't given a chance is simply not true. That doesn't make sense. He was most definitely given a chance to show what he has and what he can do. He just did not have what the coaches are looking for. That's all.
Here's the bottom line - this coaching staff is about winning. W I N N I N G. Did you notice how very dissatisfied they are with the QB play AND they are trying to do something about it? The old coaching staff would have just worked with what they have. Not this one. The level is raised. Expectation is raised. Get used to it.
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Are you really just going to run with everything those guys are telling you? We are DYING. DYING for LBers thanks to Floods marvelous recruiting, but Ash didn't give this kid a shot to compete at LB? Great kid but He's way too small for this level. That was the problem. He's closer to 5-9 than 5-11. You're better than this.
I am 5'11", maybe 11.5. I talked to Jonathan face to face and was surprised in looking eye to eye, to the point I double checked.
He's solidly 5'10.5 to 6'.
Side note: of course he was given a chance as I'm sure every kid is given a chance. However, anyone who is smaller or slower obviously needs to really shine when given those shots.
After being here only 6 months my total guess with no inside info, just reading tea leaves, is that he realized he wasn't quite as good as others in his class and figured he was unlikely to see the field at the MLB spot he coveted.
He's solidly 5'10.5 to 6'.
Side note: of course he was given a chance as I'm sure every kid is given a chance. However, anyone who is smaller or slower obviously needs to really shine when given those shots.
After being here only 6 months my total guess with no inside info, just reading tea leaves, is that he realized he wasn't quite as good as others in his class and figured he was unlikely to see the field at the MLB spot he coveted.
No, I'm not going to go with everything they are telling me but there is no denying he got zero reps during spring. Conversations were had even before spring ball started about his ability to see the field. Again, I'm not saying he could be a B1G level LB or not. I'm just saying the decision was made before anyone even put a helmet on. We all know Ash said he'd honor all the commitments yet some kids were pursued more than others. If John wasn't so popular with recruits you think he would have been pursued? You know as well as anyone how this works.
He registered three tackles during the spring game, what do you mean he didn't get any reps?
Trust me, I have no desire to argue it either. I didn't watch any practices and I know you did so you obviously saw more than me. I was simply relaying a message....end of the day, I have do dog in the fight. I wish the kid well and have zero doubt he will be successful.
Does it really matter why he is leaving?
Probably better to just let it happen and move on.
No need to dig up dirt (real or imaginary).
Wish Pollock well. Seems like a great young man.
Probably better to just let it happen and move on.
No need to dig up dirt (real or imaginary).
Wish Pollock well. Seems like a great young man.
Our transfer rate for Florida recruits is not good.
Yes because we need a 5'10 lb who is probably slower than some of our DE's vs the extra scholarship for our top 25 recruiting class
Wish him the best but the move is for the best..both in his case and in our case.
Unless you know he's slower, don't imply he is just because you want someone to look bad after they decide Rutgers might not be the place for them.
I don't know the reason he's leaving and it could be because of the playing time he feels he won't get if he stats at Rutgers or a family issue that is causing him to leave.
All I know is he's not knocking Rutgers and saying he likes the program , because of that I'll wish him the best and not try to put him down because he's leaving.
Pollock 40 time is supposedly 4.66
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/178458/jonathan-pollock
Here’s an article giving LB 40 times at the 2015 NFL combine
NFL Combine results 2015: 40-yard dash times for linebackers - SBNation.com
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/22/8085379/2015-nfl-combine-results-40-yard-dash-linebackers
There are booms and busts all over the place in college football....our NJ track record (Brodie, Shuler to a lesser extent, Issaka, and countless others over the year that were highly touted and never did anything....)
The difference is that we have a staff that is literally packing on muscle and size to kids and Pollock was pretty much jacked or as much as you can be for someone at 6' tall.....the notion that FLA kids or NJ kids is ridiculous, but it sells subscriptions and moves the needle for some needing to feel confident about themselves.
Ronnie James is notion number 1 about not getting too amped up....he's another kid with limited offers, undersized/skinny in HS and looks completely transformed with an intense weight training regimen. He's at least 6'-6'1", so his potential and body type has the ability to pack on more muscle, so much so that he might be an actual safety vs a corner.....some kids are just genetically bigger, stronger than others and is has nothing to do with star rankings, etc.
Pollock is a tremendous kid and is going to succeed regardless of whether he plays one down of football here, elsewhere or not. I think there are still so many fans butt-hurt because they are under this cloud of thinking there is no talent or has been no talent recruited at RU over the last few years. We are not Ohio State or Michigan in recruiting, but this new staff has added an element and done the job to increase our success going forward....our weakness was with strength and conditioning and game day coaching, not talent, skill.
I really hope we do a "where are they now" in 3-5 years, because we all think we have it figured out and none of us do....We are 7 weeks from visiting Washington and realistically, we're going to find out all we need to know about our staff and program at that point.
I hope we are preparing for a long line of excuses about what did or didn't happen this year, if we don't go bowling.....it will be lack of QB play (Flood and system change, even though we have landed Oden and Allen to compete at QB), lack of Linebackers (Flood and lack of development/recruiting), but the strengths of the team (Martin, Sneed who are both out of state studs BTW) will be leading the rushing attack, along with Janarion Grant, a player who will play on Sundays.
But the FLA bust rate/transfer rate is too high or we really need to only focus in on NJ????......at least be flexible with recruiting and visit some other team sites and expand your knowledge (this is meant for a few posters not necessarily on this particular post). At least take the time to back up your stats on FLA talent, it's really not even a debate on what state produces more consistently, a player that is ready to compete.....FLA leads by a wide margin and our best player this year (Grant), is a player no one else wanted in the state of FLA and is still woefully undersized in compared to our competition at FLA, FSU, Miami.....
Pollock was an AA All Star game candidate and participant. Not sure how that is anyone's fault. Can't wait for the games to start....and we can move past the nonsense.....
The difference is that we have a staff that is literally packing on muscle and size to kids and Pollock was pretty much jacked or as much as you can be for someone at 6' tall.....the notion that FLA kids or NJ kids is ridiculous, but it sells subscriptions and moves the needle for some needing to feel confident about themselves.
Ronnie James is notion number 1 about not getting too amped up....he's another kid with limited offers, undersized/skinny in HS and looks completely transformed with an intense weight training regimen. He's at least 6'-6'1", so his potential and body type has the ability to pack on more muscle, so much so that he might be an actual safety vs a corner.....some kids are just genetically bigger, stronger than others and is has nothing to do with star rankings, etc.
Pollock is a tremendous kid and is going to succeed regardless of whether he plays one down of football here, elsewhere or not. I think there are still so many fans butt-hurt because they are under this cloud of thinking there is no talent or has been no talent recruited at RU over the last few years. We are not Ohio State or Michigan in recruiting, but this new staff has added an element and done the job to increase our success going forward....our weakness was with strength and conditioning and game day coaching, not talent, skill.
I really hope we do a "where are they now" in 3-5 years, because we all think we have it figured out and none of us do....We are 7 weeks from visiting Washington and realistically, we're going to find out all we need to know about our staff and program at that point.
I hope we are preparing for a long line of excuses about what did or didn't happen this year, if we don't go bowling.....it will be lack of QB play (Flood and system change, even though we have landed Oden and Allen to compete at QB), lack of Linebackers (Flood and lack of development/recruiting), but the strengths of the team (Martin, Sneed who are both out of state studs BTW) will be leading the rushing attack, along with Janarion Grant, a player who will play on Sundays.
But the FLA bust rate/transfer rate is too high or we really need to only focus in on NJ????......at least be flexible with recruiting and visit some other team sites and expand your knowledge (this is meant for a few posters not necessarily on this particular post). At least take the time to back up your stats on FLA talent, it's really not even a debate on what state produces more consistently, a player that is ready to compete.....FLA leads by a wide margin and our best player this year (Grant), is a player no one else wanted in the state of FLA and is still woefully undersized in compared to our competition at FLA, FSU, Miami.....
Pollock was an AA All Star game candidate and participant. Not sure how that is anyone's fault. Can't wait for the games to start....and we can move past the nonsense.....
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Everyone had at least some concerns about size (though, he had been carrying around 220) but it is not speed.
I am sure there is also a little bit of what both VKJ and Skoolie are talking about too. So, between the two of them, I would have to believe he got some early looks, coaches didn't think he is what they want and then greatly diminished his role to almost non existent. Both have knowledge close to the source. I'm not sure what your grudge with the kid is...
I didn't make the original statement, but I was interested so I did some work for you because you're too lazy. Here's our out-of-state retention numbers:
Since the 2013 class, just 9 of our 17 Florida recruits that made it to campus are still here.
Meanwhile, all 10 of our PA commits are still here from that span.
10 of our 11 NY commits are still here.
Then there's the other category - places not named NJ, Florida, PA, or NY. 13 of those 19 are still here.
Take from those numbers what you will.
You have no idea what you're talking about. He was obviously undersized but speed was never an issue for Pollock. Have you even seen his tape?
Whatever the reason he's leaving, just let it be. Stop being sour about it. He's a good player and I'm sure he'll be successful wherever he ends up.
Best of luck to Jon and his Dad, Al. Good people and certain it will all work out fine for them.
I delivered mail in Orlando the summer after my freshman year in college, and my routes were covered either by bicycle or foot. You don't have to tell me about Orlando weather!
He was touted as the savior of this program on this forum and now he is gone. Can't trust this forum.
So why did Ash fly down to Florida himself to secure his commitment if he didn't feel he had the measurables? He certainly knew them prior to going down and then go to see him up close as well.
That's a good question. Perhaps because Jonathan was the pied piper for recruits?
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...pollock_planning_a_tr.html#incart_river_index
"Coach Ash has definitely called me up on many occasions and said, 'Hey, we really want this guy, we really want this guy, we really want this guy: Go get 'em.' '' Pollock told NJ Advance Media prior to enrolling last January. "And that's what I'm doing."
Could be a variety of reasons - most likely Ash simply wanted to visit our commits and start building relationships and Pollock was very popular among our commits,
Posted the question during work. Some of us actually have to work. If someone is going to make a statement like this one as fact it would be good to provide some background. Otherwise it is merely unsubstantiated opinion. Go stick your lazy comment.
Good luck to Mr. Pollock .
Actually shows our LB quality is not as bad as people make it out to be.
Our Defense will be much better this year.
Actually shows our LB quality is not as bad as people make it out to be.
Our Defense will be much better this year.
Lol cry me a river, everyone works. You clearly had the time to peruse the thread and post your question. Simply don't like when people asked questions that can be answered with a couple minutes of research.
Honestly, you sounded like an idiot when you asked him to prove it. If you have any clue on RU football you would know it has not been great of late in Fl. There have been articles on it in the paper, it has been discussed widely.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ack_jacob_kraut_to_transfer_from_rutgers.html
It is sort of like saying we had a bad year last year, and you say prove it. That said, who gives a rats arse what you think about his eagerness to answer your stupid question. You really sound like an idiot when he comes back and says he was at work. Find something else do do on the board than to start an argument where you end up priving you are fool. By the way the earth is round.
Singleton? Acceus? Let us pray...I think we are young at LB but also talented.We need a few more front 7 guys to compliment what has been done on the offensive side of the equation.
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