Possible next coach name I was told

[RUcrazee]

I could be wrong but I don’t think Toliver or Harding have ever been a HC or a college coach in any capacity. If that is true, I don’t want them.

Understandable...........I just happen to think that Toliver, especially, will be a successful coach when given the opportunity. More HW needed on Harding.

Also made this list based on who may be available at this late stage of the coaching carousel. Most of the top up and coming coaches are already off the table.

We may have to take a chance on a promising 1st-time HC if we can't lure a top coach to leave their current school.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Admittedly I do not follow women’s hoops closely. Is there a reason FGCU’s Karl Smesko’s name has not been mentioned? Too old? A skeleton in his closet? You don’t get credit for sustained success at a lower level?

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

We have never challenged for a Big 10 title regular or post season..fact

This truth nugget hurts many…RU WBB has not been relevant for a while now…someone young, energetic and removed from CVS’s coaching tree would be nice…just like Grentz to Stringer was a complete change, so must this be.

Jody Conradt at Texas won a national title, several FFs had more parade all Americans than I can recall, was a staple in the NCAAs and when she retired, the program moved on without undue overemotionality. Hope we can do likewise!

 

[MADHAT1]

This truth nugget hurts many…RU WBB has not been relevant for a while now…someone young, energetic and removed from CVS’s coaching tree would be nice…just like Grentz to Stringer was a complete change, so must this be.

Jody Conradt at Texas won a national title, several FFs had more parade all Americans than I can recall, was a staple in the NCAAs and when she retired, the program moved on without undue overemotionality. Hope we can do likewise!

Easy to move on when you hire Goestenkor as a replacement who went 396-99 at Duke.
Gail might not have had the type of success at Texas that was expected, but I'd love to see Stringer's replacement have a resume like Conradt's replacement did.

 

[RUcrazee]

My list in order of preference:
1) C. Berube- along w) some of her #19 ranked recruiting class
2) K. Toliver or Lindsay Harding
3) Banghart
4) Shereka Wright
5) Chelsea Newton
6) worth looking into??- Berube's Assistant Coaches, Dalila Esche or Lauren Batista

Almost forgot Tammi Reiss. She may be a good fit. After taking another look at her background, I place her high on this list, right up there with Berube. Forgot, she's done what Kristi and Lindsay are currently doing.

Also, not to be taken lightly, may have some extra clout with recruits from her acting days. Youngsters love the movie "Love and Basketball" and may have seen "Juwanna Mann", and the sitcom "Sister, Sister".

The acting, on top of her wealth of bball success as a player and now coach, .............I think i just talked myself into her being my 1st choice.

 

[MADHAT1]

Almost forgot Tammi Reiss. She may be a good fit. After taking another look at her background, I place her high on this list, right up there with Berube. Forgot, she's done what Kristi and Lindsay are currently doing.

Also, not to be taken lightly, may have some extra clout with recruits from her acting days. Youngsters love the movie "Love and Basketball" and may have seen "Juwanna Mann", and the sitcom "Sister, Sister".

The acting, on top of her wealth of bball success as a player and now coach, .............I think i just talked myself into her being my 1st choice.

She seems like a quality hire turning URI into a winner after having a 46-102 record the previous 5 years 8-21 the year before she took over.

But Carla Berube is my #1

 

[Knight Time Fan]

Admittedly I do not follow women’s hoops closely. Is there a reason FGCU’s Karl Smesko’s name has not been mentioned? Too old? A skeleton in his closet? You don’t get credit for sustained success at a lower level?

No skeletons that I've heard. FGCU is very successful, but their conference isn't particularly good. Not sure if his style - even if it can win games against better competition - is the right fit for a power conference. I'm not claiming it isn't, I have no idea, but it could be a factor.

More generally, from what I've read, he hasn't seemed to have an interest in leaving FGCU.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Admittedly I do not follow women’s hoops closely. Is there a reason FGCU’s Karl Smesko’s name has not been mentioned? Too old? A skeleton in his closet? You don’t get credit for sustained success at a lower level?

Unlike when Coach Pike was brought in, this program has had a good amount of success for decades with Grentz and Stringer,including a National Championship. We are the State University of New Jersey, a member of the Big Ten, and have a fantastic brand new practice facility. We can’t afford to take someone from a rinky dink school like Florida Gulf Coast, Kennesaw State, Stetson, Tarleton State, etc. unless the whole world was saying this is the next Kim Mulkey, Dawn Staley, etc. We need to get someone from a major school.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Unlike when Coach Pike was brought in, this program has had a good amount of success for decades with Grentz and Stringer,including a National Championship. We are the State University of New Jersey, a member of the Big Ten, and have a fantastic brand new practice facility. We can’t afford to take someone from a rinky dink school like Florida Gulf Coast, Kennesaw State, Stetson, Tarleton State, etc. unless the whole world was saying this is the next Kim Mulkey, Dawn Staley, etc. We need to get someone from a major school.

FGCU would kick the bejeebers out of Rutgers.

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[Knight Time Fan]

Unlike when Coach Pike was brought in, this program has had a good amount of success for decades with Grentz and Stringer,including a National Championship. We are the State University of New Jersey, a member of the Big Ten, and have a fantastic brand new practice facility. We can’t afford to take someone from a rinky dink school like Florida Gulf Coast, Kennesaw State, Stetson, Tarleton State, etc. unless the whole world was saying this is the next Kim Mulkey, Dawn Staley, etc. We need to get someone from a major school.

Um, the FGCU coach has been mentioned for numerous Power 5 openings, as I said above it appears he just isn't interested.

He is considered an innovative and excellent coach. If folks don't think he is the 2nd coming of Mulkey, a lot think he is every bit as good or better than many current Power 5 coaches.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

The coaching search for Rutgers women’s basketball is complicated

A full review of potential candidates, profiles and past connections as AD Pat Hobbs looks to replace a legend.

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[HeavenUniv.]

Some day you will have to tell us your connection and love affair for a rinky dink school that has been around for 20 minutes, doesn’t even have a football team, and is NUMBER 8 in their state college athletic programs. Is their a chance the coach could succeed at a major level? Yes. But we are 2022 Rutgers Athletics now on the verge of $75 million a year in TV money alone. We don’t need to look at lower level schools anymore.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Some day you will have to tell us your connection and love affair for a rinky dink school that has been around for 20 minutes, doesn’t even have a football team, and is NUMBER 8 in their state college athletic programs. Is their a chance the coach could succeed at a major level? Yes. But we are 2022 Rutgers Athletics now on the verge of $75 million a year in TV money alone. We don’t need to look at lower level schools anymore.

Get the best possible hire. Your snarky remarks about FGCU … I’m not sure where that is coming from. FGCU is the state of Florida’s newest member of its university system. I’m guessing it’s less than 30 years old. Smesko’s results are amazing. There is no doubt he recognizes talent, recruits well, and plays a style that players like. To blow off Smesko as a candidate is unfathomable. I believe two issues exist — he’s not young, and how can you hate living and working and succeeding in southwest Florida. He may have made it clear to everyone in women’s hoops that FGCU is his last job.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

fgcu - LOL…if that’s who we are going after, mediocrity shall follow. Period. Regardless, he’s not going to be it. If we go the newton route, it is nostalgic, but a very risky move. Is she the nest Dawn Staley? Maybe…but unlikely.

RU put itself behind the 8 ball by being forced into the hiring process late. Here’s hoping someone out there loves a challenge…

 

[Mr_Twister]

fgcu - LOL…if that’s who we are going after, mediocrity shall follow. Period. Regardless, he’s not going to be it. If we go the newton route, it is nostalgic, but a very risky move. Is she the nest Dawn Staley? Maybe…but unlikely.

RU put itself behind the 8 ball by being forced into the hiring process late. Here’s hoping someone out there loves a challenge…

According to this article, this comment about Smesko …
“He’s been offered numerous jobs at Power Five institutions, and has turned them all down.”

Six Candidates for UCF’s Women’s Basketball Head Coaching Job

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[Knight Time Fan]

fgcu - LOL…if that’s who we are going after, mediocrity shall follow. Period. Regardless, he’s not going to be it. If we go the newton route, it is nostalgic, but a very risky move. Is she the nest Dawn Staley? Maybe…but unlikely.

RU put itself behind the 8 ball by being forced into the hiring process late. Here’s hoping someone out there loves a challenge…

I do not understand the ongoing disrespect for Karl Smesko (who is in his early 50's, not ancient). As noted above, he has been offered other Power 5 jobs. He doesn't seem to want them, which is why I haven't suggested any support for him.

Everybody starts somewhere - Dawn was at Temple, I don't suppose you would want a Temple level coach. Vic Schaeffer coached Sam Houston State.

So, to repeat - I'm not suggesting that Smesko should be a choice - but the constant disrespect of someone that is constantly touted - on every broadcast I watch where it is relevant - as a top coach is mind-boggling. It leads me to believe that most of you have never heard of him.

 

[Mr_Twister]

This minor note ... the former FGCU men’s hoops coach is the current USC head coach. Succeeding well enough at USC that he told Maryland, where he was their top choice to replace Mark Turgeon, that he wasn’t interested in their opening.
So much for FGCU coaches being unable to succeed on a bigger stage.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Normally I wouldn’t waste my time, but just for the heck of it I went back to 2016. That school hasn’t had one kid from New Jersey. ZERO ! Very little representation from the North at all. We have to get someone, either a head coach or assistant at a major school, who has proven they can recruit good players from our state.

 

[MADHAT1]

Normally I wouldn’t waste my time, but just for the heck of it I went back to 2016. That school hasn’t had one kid from New Jersey. ZERO ! Very little representation from the North at all. We have to get someone, either a head coach or assistant at a major school, who has proven they can recruit good players from our state.

looking at the 2021-22 FGCU WBB roster ( quickly not really checking bios) it looks like
the MidWest part of the country has a high percentage of players on the roster , showing Smeskocan recruit outside of where the program is and I feel he would suceed if he became the RU WBB HC when it came to recruiting in the tri-state area to add to RU's roster along with the out of state talent he brought in.
His style of play might be a big factor in doing that.
Success is Validation for Smesko Style: Shoot Threes, Drive Hard - Nothing But Nylon
>If you watch Karl Smesko’s women’s team at Florida Gulf Coast play a game, you won’t see mid-range jumpers. You’ll see five guards on the floor plenty of times. You won’t see much post play. What you will see is a lot of quick shots, plenty of hard-nosed drives and an assortment of threes.<

https://nothingbutnylon.com/karl-smesko-four/
also in that article: >That’s not to say things can’t change. The offensive opportunities Smesko saw in the game 20 years ago could change as teams adapt to the updated style. He isn’t married to anything in his system and always willing to switch something up.<

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

fgcu - LOL…if that’s who we are going after, mediocrity shall follow. Period. Regardless, he’s not going to be it. If we go the newton route, it is nostalgic, but a very risky move. Is she the nest Dawn Staley? Maybe…but unlikely.

RU put itself behind the 8 ball by being forced into the hiring process late. Here’s hoping someone out there loves a challenge…

Probably the same guys who said.......

Stony Brook- LOL…if that’s who we are going after, mediocrity shall follow. Period

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Easy to move on when you hire Goestenkor as a replacement who went 396-99 at Duke.
Gail might not have had the type of success at Texas that was expected, but I'd love to see Stringer's replacement have a resume like Conradt's replacement did.

Maybe if we weren’t doing the search in May we might better off…perhaps CVS could have made her decision like when most coaches make said decision. Bottom line, choices are few and we are going from a hall of famer who mostly cratered (per her own standards towards the end) to probably some no name coach. How very ****ing RU!

 

[RUBOB72]

Without doubt CVS delaying the announcement of her official retirement was not a good thing . It will not be helpful in acquiring a PROVEN younger coach to lead what should be a top WBB program. Now perhaps we may luck out and I hope we do but the failure to see this is a big problem is baffling. It’s not Hobbs’ fault … it was not Rutgers lack of vision for the future.It was the fault of someone over extending and not realizing it was time to call it a career as WBB coach.

 

[MADHAT1]

Without doubt CVS delaying the announcement of her official retirement was not a good thing . It will not be helpful in acquiring a PROVEN younger coach to lead what should be a top WBB program. Now perhaps we may luck out and I hope we do but the failure to see this is a big problem is baffling. It’s not Hobbs’ fault … it was not Rutgers lack of vision for the future.It was the fault of someone over extending and not realizing it was time to call it a career as WBB coach.

This I can agree with and I feel Stringer was too stubborn because she still had the desire, but didn't allow for the reason she took her LOA wasn't going away just because she hoped it would.
When the time came that her second LOA extension ended CVS should have given up the ghost and retired allowing Hobbs to begin the search for the next RUWBB HC.

We can complain about the result and be right doing so, but we also should be a little understanding of why Vivian went past her expiration date by looking at all the retirement age people still holding on to their jobs. far past their retirement eligibility date
Many of them still have the drive to succeed in their profession and been doing their jobs for so long it feels like it's part of their life and happiness , they want to hold on to what makes them feel complete and also think they are helping their employer with the skill and experience they have..
I'll say C.Vivian Stringer didn't retire when she should have, but also can understand why she didn't the way I'm looking at the issue..

 

[djrc89]

I know this has been rehashed a thousand ways and that Hobbs having a short list mayve been affected by the timing. However, we all knew this was a distinct possibility. Certainly Pat knew it too. So wouldn’t there be back channels going on the whole time? On one hand it looks ridiculous that we’re caught with our pants down

 

[MADHAT1]

I know this has been rehashed a thousand ways and that Hobbs having a short list mayve been affected by the timing. However, we all knew this was a distinct possibility. Certainly Pat knew it too. So wouldn’t there be back channels going on the whole time? On one hand it looks ridiculous that we’re caught with our pants down

I would guess back channels were in play.
But think the time it took for CVS to finnaly decide made for intreasted parties to make other plans and now they feel obliged to keep that plan in place. and let Hobbs ( through a third party) know they would be sticking with that plan
As another poster implied, the lack of candidates willing to accept the position has made Hobbs hire a search firm

 

[rubaseball78]

I would guess back channels were in play.
But think the time it took for CVS to finnaly decide made for intreasted parties to make other plans and now they feel obliged to keep that plan in place. and let Hobbs ( through a third party) know they would be sticking with that plan
As another poster implied, the lack of candidates willing to accept the position has made Hobbs hire a search firm

Just curious how you know there is a lack of candidates?

 

[MADHAT1]

Just curious how you know there is a lack of candidates?

Just a guess, I feel if there were interested candidates Hobbs wouldn't need to hire a search firm.
Getting a HC on board needs to be done quickly and with the uncertainty surrounding CVS' return because of the extensions Stringer asked for and received I would guess Hobbs put out feelers through third parties to people close to who Hobbs thought might be interested and found those that were considering the job at first decided to keep their other plans in place because they were committed to them fully after getting tired of waiting to see if Rutgers would need a new HC..

 

[rubaseball78]

Just a guess, I feel if there were interested candidates Hobbs wouldn't need to hire a search firm.
Getting a HC on board needs to be done quickly and with the uncertainty surrounding CVS' return because of the extensions Stringer asked for and received I would guess Hobbs put out feelers through third parties to people close to who Hobbs thought might be interested and found those that were considering the job at first decided to keep their other plans in place because they were committed to them fully after getting tired of waiting to see if Rutgers would need a new HC..

There are legal issues if Hobbs is caught searching for a ne coach while she is out on loa.

 

[RU72]

There are legal issues if Hobbs is caught searching for a ne coach while she is out on loa.
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There are legal issues if Hobbs is caught searching for a ne coach while she is out on loa.

No back channels before the announcement

Plenty of good candidates,2 of whom to my knowledge who would take it tomorrow

Search firm is a due diligence mechanism

 

[ouchmyknee]

Just a guess, I feel if there were interested candidates Hobbs wouldn't need to hire a search firm.
Getting a HC on board needs to be done quickly and with the uncertainty surrounding CVS' return because of the extensions Stringer asked for and received I would guess Hobbs put out feelers through third parties to people close to who Hobbs thought might be interested and found those that were considering the job at first decided to keep their other plans in place because they were committed to them fully after getting tired of waiting to see if Rutgers would need a new HC..

Was there news we hired a search firm? Regardless, that is the standard practice nowadays to cover your ass and perform all necessary background checks.

 

[RULoyal]

Was there news we hired a search firm? Regardless, that is the standard practice nowadays to cover your ass and perform all necessary background checks.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

When Jay Wright retired, I think it was 48 hours until the new coach was announced.

 

[RUcrazee]

When Jay Wright retired, I think it was 48 hours until the new coach was announced.

It was quick because the replacement was a longtime member of Jay Wright's staff. About the equivalent of choosing one of CVS' longtime assts.

Don't think most here want RU to go that same route unless maybe it's Chelsea.

 

[RUBOB72]

Correct again… as the song says, “Go Your Own Way”.

 

[MADHAT1]

There are legal issues if Hobbs is caught searching for a ne coach while she is out on loa.

legal issues are sidestepped when working through 3rd parties.
Someone close to the Athletic Department but not part of the Rutgers Administration with a nod and a wink to find out about interest in the HC position talks to someone close to the HC being targeted as a possible candidate ,but not officially connected to that HC;s school, to gauge if that coach would be interested in the job if offered.
Then based on the reply, Hobbs would officially ask for permission to contact that person , or scratch that potential candidate off his list.
Since Hobbs never contacted anyone personally, no one from his department or RU officially contacted that coach there is plausible deniability and any finger pointing would be at someone described as an overzealous supporter doing it on their own.
Who they talked to could deny being involved and put it as just BSing with a friend about possibilities of who RU might go after .

 

[rubaseball78]

When Jay Wright retired, I think it was 48 hours until the new coach was announced.

Completely different situation. Wright wanted to retire. Replacement discussions happened before announcement. With CVS, she did not want to retire.

 

[SkilletHead2]

We don't need a complete change from Stringer, nor do we need someone from Stringer's tree. We don't need someone with Jersey ties, nor do we need X, Y, or Z.

We need to hire the best coach we can get. The Grentz era is over. The Stringer era is over. My hope is that we open up the bank a bit and get a high quality coach, whatever her or his background.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

This pretty much says it won’t be Chelsea. You DONT hire one of these firms to hire some assistant with no actual coaching experience.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Thus pretty much says it won’t be Chelsea. You DONT hire one of these firms to hire some assistant with no actual coaching experience.

That makes very little sense. So, you are saying a search firm never recommends an up and coming assistant coach that could be a good fit? Minnesota MBB, PSU MBB both hired assistants with a search firm.

Finding and recommending good coaches is exactly what search firms do.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Do we know of previous hires done at other programs by Collegiate Sports Solutions?
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