I hope none of the scheduletards who say we need to upgrade our schedule are saying no to this idea.
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I hope none of the scheduletards who say we need to upgrade our schedule are saying no to this idea.
Depends what it's replacingHow is this upgrading our schedule? Adding Princeton is like adding Temple, or UMass-Lowell (and a touch behind Wake Forest and Seton Hall) - at the end of the year, another Q3 game will not in any way be considered an upgrade.
34 years old here and solidly in category 2.Some guys who went to Rutgers college when only boys went there , sadly , had "class envy" about Princeton and some kind of inferiority complex. Others loved RU and just wanted to beat Princeton's ass because we considered them douche bags..Unless you're still in category 1 why would you want to advocate playing them?
Depends what it's replacing
Playing Central Connecticut and the endless parade of sub 300s NET teams that get marched into the RAC every November and December also does nothing for RU but you and I both know those aren't stopping, Brian.Love Brett Mac…but hard pass on playing Princeton. A relic rivalry that does nothing for RU in today’s environment
That's one way to frame it.Replacing a Q4 guaranteed-win with a Q3 should-win isn't "upgrading the schedule".
There is more to this than what is probably over 33 games a statistically insignificant metric. There is playing an iconic program. There is playing a program in which 153 D-1 schools emulate wrinkles of their offense. Princeton basketball is a serious national brand. There is prude. There is no team which I have derived more satisfaction from defeating in all sports. The 75-62 win at Jadwin in 1976 sits with the Louisville football win and the Purdue basketball wins. I am neither right nor wrong. I have an opinion which is probably shared by 50% of alumni. But the key issue is who are you replacing? Don't play it as an add on. Replace a Coppin State,Bucknell or Columbia. Rutgers will be above sweating on Selection Sunday. And I am good with either or both a 2-1, or always playing at the RAC. Princeton would not play Rutgers in football in New Brunswick for 68 straight years. So ok just play at the RAC. Rice,Bannon and Tom all recognized the value of the game. Gary was into it. Bill Foster was a huge zealot of it. Argue as much as you want,but if would never be the NCAA decider. But, unfortunately it is never happening under Steve and he is the boss. Not me.Replacing a Q4 guaranteed-win with a Q3 should-win isn't "upgrading the schedule".
John Battle had a 10 yr career in the NBA. Let's wait and see if Dingle is truly a 'better' version of one of the 10 best ever to play at RULet's start with Tosan. Mitch told me he will go pro. Read the NYT article about him today. He is one of a very few players which every NBA team has looked at in practice. He is a unique player. On many obvious levels, including his great defense.
The Ivy is a haven for many really skilled players. Kids chose Yale,Harvard and Princeton over Northwestern,Illinois and Michigan because it is a 40 and not a 4 year decision.Just asking. If the 2 played 10 times at the RAC this year,what do you think the w and l would look like?
Rutgers should walk to Philly next year if Dingle is interested. Best comparison. A better John Battle.
Play freaking Princeton at the RAC or 2-1. They are the only sports rival and might always be the only sports rival in Rutgers basketball history. It was a great rivalry. My favorite of all-time and most alumni over 50 would agree. Princeton leads the series 75-45. Rutgers has won something like 8 out of the last 9. Mitch did not refuse to play Steve when he was at Stony Brook. Check it out. Would you rather play an A-10 or a low ACC over them. Not me. They are not a laughable Cinderella. They are a storied national program. I get how fans or alumni under 35 don't get it or don't want it. They didn't live it. And it is not a bad loss for goodness sake. Sorry to rant. I know first hand that many of you agree with this sentiment. We covet our academic connection to Michigan and Northwestern.They aren't Princeton academically on any metric.Sorry to rant on. It's important to me.I would hope it is to others. Pete called it his second greatest rivalry after Penn.
That's one way to frame it.
I'd argue replacing Colombia (341 Net) with Princeton (111 Net) is upgrading our non-con schedule, which the Committee says is very important to them, right or wrong.
There is more to this than what is probably over 33 games a statistically insignificant metric. There is playing an iconic program. There is playing a program in which 153 D-1 schools emulate wrinkles of their offense. Princeton basketball is a serious national brand. There is prude. There is no team which I have derived more satisfaction from defeating in all sports. The 75-62 win at Jadwin in 1976 sits with the Louisville football win and the Purdue basketball wins. I am neither right nor wrong. I have an opinion which is probably shared by 50% of alumni. But the key issue is who are you replacing? Don't play it as an add on. Replace a Coppin State,Bucknell or Columbia. Rutgers will be above sweating on Selection Sunday. And I am good with either or both a 2-1, or always playing at the RAC. Princeton would not play Rutgers in football in New Brunswick for 68 straight years. So ok just play at the RAC. Rice,Bannon and Tom all recognized the value of the game. Gary was into it. Bill Foster was a huge zealot of it. Argue as much as you want,but if would never be the NCAA decider. But, unfortunately it is never happening under Steve and he is the boss. Not me.
It’s a joke dude . RU72 is a connected insider and I love his posts . But he’s a wine and cheese New England guy . It’s not a bad thing ! He’s a super successful guy , but we don’t need to play PrincetonWhat does that have to do with anything?
By the logic offered here by some, Rutgers should avoid playing any teams with a high risk/low reward profile, yet Rutgers has scheduled Yale, Columbia, Lafayette, Bucknell and others in recent years even though they fit such a profile. What is different about Princeton is that Princeton consistently has a highly competitive program and so they are avoided for fear of a loss. Maybe Rutgers should also avoid playing Northwestern because they might lose to a school with a low NET rating.
And on the level of pure entertainment, there is no local rivalry that has had more juice than the Princeton/Rutgers rivalry. It has always been a wonderful fan experience to play such a hated rival, regardless of the Q2 or Q3 or Q4 implications..
These games hate em or not allow the team to get young players exposed and figure things out a little early in the season. Hobbs alluded to it. May hate it as a fan and may not agree with the reason but there is a reason.Playing Central Connecticut and the endless parade of sub 300s NET teams that get marched into the RAC every November and December also does nothing for RU but you and I both know those aren't stopping, Brian.
Yeah I'm with you. I just want us to upgrade one way or another. This time next year I don't wanna read Bac's thread where he has us on the bubble in part because of our non-con SOS "wart".We beat Wake Forest at 90 and UMass-Lowell at 119 this year, and the committee said they weren't able to find a good OOC win to justify giving us a bid..... Princeton was 111 this year. A win over Princeton is no different than those. And we got knocked hard for losing to 78 Seton Hall and 92 Nebraska.
Why on earth would we want to add a dangerous 100+ team to the schedule when 19 of 20 B1G schools are ranked better than them?
If we're going to "upgrade" the schedule, we need to drop schools in that 80-120 range and replace them with a couple of schools in the Top 50. They don't even have to be elite schools... grab some "top half" MWC schools like Utah State (19), Boise St (29), or Nevada (37).
Still really sad to me that the committee is saying multiple good in conference wins are practically meaningless.We beat Wake Forest at 90 and UMass-Lowell at 119 this year, and the committee said they weren't able to find a good OOC win to justify giving us a bid..... Princeton was 111 this year. A win over Princeton is no different than those. And we got knocked hard for losing to 78 Seton Hall and 92 Nebraska.
Why on earth would we want to add a dangerous 100+ team to the schedule when 19 of 20 B1G schools are ranked better than them?
If we're going to "upgrade" the schedule, we need to drop schools in that 80-120 range and replace them with a couple of schools in the Top 50. They don't even have to be elite schools... grab some "top half" MWC schools like Utah State (19), Boise St (29), or Nevada (37).
I understand everyone schedules punching bags with NET rankings in the 300s. But no other Big Ten does it as much as us AND also refuses to play in a decent neutral site tournament in November and December. I think the committee are clowns that wronged Rutgers too but they determine our fate and it seem to be important to them.These games hate em or not allow the team to get young players exposed and figure things out a little early in the season. Hobbs alluded to it. May hate it as a fan and may not agree with the reason but there is a reason.
I wouldn’t mind seeing us play some heavyweights early. Not too many but a couple for sure.I understand everyone schedules punching bags with NET rankings in the 300. But no other Big Ten does it as much as us and refuses to play in a decent neutral site tournament in November and December. I think the committee are clowns that wronged Rutgers too but they have the power and it seem to be important to them.
Yep . We need to play in a tournament or some marquee event . That game on the the ship is cool .I understand everyone schedules punching bags with NET rankings in the 300. But no other Big Ten does it as much as us and refuses to play in a decent neutral site tournament in November and December. I think the committee are clowns that wronged Rutgers too but they have the power and it seem to be important to them.
No tournament is happening. I agree that would be optimal. Let's all at least hope for Princeton and FDU wins as it is good for NJ!And Tosan will somehow end up in the NBA.A Pistons scout just told me that.Yep . We need to play in a tournament or some marquee event . That game on the the ship is cool .
Maybe get a boat and put a court on it, and play Gonzaga on the raritan near Johnson park
12-8 isn’t just tough. What have we done it, once? Barely.I mean is there a way to manipulate the OOC SOS in a way to bring up the ranking without keeping out wins about the same?
8-3
+
12-8 (tough to do)
Gets you 20 wins.
We need 8 wins minimum from OOC.
If played 6 cupcakes to tune the team up and play 5 legit teams. Thats 40/60 split which should put us about middle of the pack for OOC SOS slightly worse than average.
Beat the 6 cup cakes and go 2-3 / 3-2 against the good teams and there you go.
2-3 signature OOC wins + decent metrics.
Doesn’t that solve the problem.
Now the question is how do we find 5 quad 1 / 2 - Name Brand teams to play us.
I hope none of the scheduletards who say we need to upgrade our schedule are saying no to this idea.
If that's all Pike cared about a third of the players wouldn't be on the bench and would have been told to leave and be replaced.With all due respect, Pike ended practices with “Dance” from the day he got here. We’re in the Big Ten. The goal is championships, it’s not beating Princeton or setting up a weak tournament with Monmouth, NJIT and FDU.
If we’re not going out there with the primary on-court goal being making and succeeding in the tournament, we should just shut it down.
It does tho. I mean its not an opinion, its an actual factReplacing a Q4 guaranteed-win with a Q3 should-win isn't "upgrading the schedule".
This, this, thisOut of Conference NET rankings for B1G teams. Bolded games are those with NET of 76-160.
In tournament:
Purdue: 6, 12, 16, 25, 86, 145, 210, 221, 325, 340, 359
Indiana: 9, 10, 22, 46, 115, 228, 286, 305, 322, 335, 348
Maryland: 3, 4, 25, 35, 99, 229, 240, 246, 300, 306, 315, 328
MSU: 2, 6, 26, 47, 75, 164, 186, 183, 193, 231, 272
Illinois: 3, 7, 21, 27, 42, 126, 309, 319, 338, 344, 348, 351
Iowa: 16, 20, 28, 32, 60, 77, 179, 242, 317, 318, 344, 348
NW: 29, 32, 44, 67, 163, 183, 237, 243, 252, 278, 285, 299
PSU: 19, 60, 76, 88, 110, 131, 174, 254, 262, 271, 321, 355
Not in tournament:
Rutgers: 35, 77, 86, 90, 119, 125, 217, 295, 326, 328, 341, 343
OSU: 14, 16, 46, 63, 70, 247, 275, 304, 319, 336, 344
Michigan: 26, 27, 46, 66, 67, 82, 133, 148, 237, 305, 320, 329
Wisconsin: 9, 12, 50, 72, 78, 90, 97, 274, 298, 323, 361
Nebraska: 17, 23, 24, 68, 98, 168, 204, 221, 275, 317, 332
Minnesota: 49, 76, 91, 163, 169, 244, 299, 323, 329, 332, 336
Rutgers is the only team in the B1G that had 5 OOC teams with NET rankings of 76-160 on their schedule. PSU had 4, but 3 of them were in a neutral tournament. Rutgers, PSU, and Minnesota are the only three teams to have just 1 team in the NET Top 50 on their schedule.
Throwing Princeton in there at 111 doesn't help us. We need to drop 3 of those bolded games and replace with 2 Top 50 teams and 1 more Q4.
You’re totally right, a Q3 game against Princeton is what’s been missing from our tournament resume, thanks for your wisdom. Good teams never lose to inferior teams in one-off gamesPeople being afraid to play princeton just shows the loser mindset of this fan base and confirmed what ive long thought, youre all fine with sneaking into the tourney and being mediocre as long as we have a nice coach. If you worry about MAYBE losing to Princeton and causing you to miss the tourney then you have low expectation of this program to begin with
People being afraid to play princeton just shows the loser mindset of this fan base and confirmed what ive long thought, youre all fine with sneaking into the tourney and being mediocre as long as we have a nice coach. If you worry about MAYBE losing to Princeton and causing you to miss the tourney then you have low expectation of this program to begin with
People being afraid to play princeton just shows the loser mindset of this fan base and confirmed what ive long thought, youre all fine with sneaking into the tourney and being mediocre as long as we have a nice coach. If you worry about MAYBE losing to Princeton and causing you to miss the tourney then you have low expectation of this program to begin with