Yeah, I refused to watch any replay of that game, so I only have the one time, live memory of it
There were inbounding problems and lost dribbles
Props to Myles Johnson
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There were inbounding problems and lost dribbles
What most on this thread will never understand is that Miles valued his education over everything else including basketball. Miles used basketball to go to school for free and to play at a high level. Something most of the morons on this site will never understand. He was successful in that he played D1 basketball and got a top notch education too boot. Something I believe very few on this board can claim.
So you have nothing against Myles in a post you said was "spot on" claiming that Myles was 40 lbs overweight, in the coaches doghouse and "quit". Lulz.
I was disappointed when Myles left but understood it was a educational career move more than anything
I have said before that my one criticism of Myles is that it appeared he did not want to be " the man" in crunch time. Try to remember a close game where he took the big shot and I think you have a hard time Coming up with it
I came to realize it when he passed up a short shot against Penn state when we really needed it, preferring to kick it out back outside, in a game we lost on final possession at home during a late rally
In contrast, Cliff has taken that shot at times, despite his often misfiring, he understands the moment
I'm so tired of all this crap about Myles costing us the Houston game... That loss was a joint effort. The bunny that Myles is accused of missing on the put back of the Geo miss had Marcus Sasser contacting his elbow just before he released the ball, which would have altered the trajectory slightly... True, Myles wasn't able to handle the alley oop from Geo, and he did miss the Houston player when trying to throw the ball off of him on the out of bounds play, but overall Myles' play wasn't that bad, and other players and possibly coaches made multiple mistakes as well. For anyone who's brave enough or masochistic enough to want to watch the last 5 minutes of that game, vid of the last 5 min is below.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the belief of a few of his detractors who've posted in this thread.
Why do you continue to unnecessarily berate one of the best representatives of Rutgers basketball of all time? STFU already
Not berating. Not criticizing him in any way off the court. Thoroughly admire his academic prowess. None of that.
Only continue to rebut any opinion that he was a good basketball player. No offensive utility whatsoever. I didn’t bring up Houston game, but that did accurately epitomize his career. Was glad he left, and one year later Cronin was also in favor of same. If you paid attention to Cronin’s commentary and his changing role at UCLA as the season progressed, it’s undeniable that MJ wouldn’t have much of a role going forward. If you think that had no bearing on his decision to hang up his kicks, I can’t help you….
So you're suggesting that Myles couldn't have been a good basketball player because his strong points were defense and rebounding rather than offense?... That's an interesting point of view... In his final year here he averaged 8 pts per game shooting 63% FG, and was voted first team Big Ten Conference All Defensive Team by the coaches, and also an honorable mention all B1G conference player in the media voting,
And to get to play Houston we beat Clemson 60-56. Although Myles only scored 2 points in that game (1-3 FG), he had 10 rebounds, 3 steals, and 3 blocks. Do you really think we even get past Clemson if Myles (the bad basketball player in your opinion) doesn't play? C'mon man..
As well as being a gentleman and a scholar. Love Myles and what he accomplished. He used the system to his advantage to further his education and himself. And to boot, he is using his platform to foster more diversity in a field that is sorely lacking diversity. If anybody has a problem with any of that, then that's their problem. Myles is a legend, and RU fans should be proud of what he has accomplished.
AZ…we will have to agree to disagree on whether he was a good player.
But what about my view above, that his certain completely diminished role going forward was a factor in his decision to stop playing ? Why bother suiting up to watch from the bench when he could focus 100% on school/career ? Heck, I applaud that decision too. But at the same time I am sure that he would have stayed if he were to get meaningful PT. But he obviously would not have.
Knight … I mostly agree with your points but “using his platform
to foster more diversity” seems like
a stretch unless I missed something notable outside of earning his
degree, which by itself doesn’t foster anything.
But what about my view above, that his certain completely diminished role going forward was a factor in his decision to stop playing ? Why bother suiting up to watch from the bench when he could focus 100% on school/career ? Heck, I applaud that decision too. But at the same time I am sure that he would have stayed if he were to get meaningful PT. But he obviously would not have.
Knight … I mostly agree with your points but “using his platform
to foster more diversity” seems like
a stretch unless I missed something notable outside of earning his
degree, which by itself doesn’t foster anything.
Just a few links that hopefully help explain Myles a little better.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla...es-johnson-wants-legacy-beyond-basketball-nba
https://www.blkdev.org
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla...es-johnson-wants-legacy-beyond-basketball-nba
https://www.blkdev.org
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Your posts suck.
For Rutgers, Myles Johnson would take over the final 5 minutes of games with his shot blocking, rebounding and defense.
Your posts suck.
I am not sure of where his future lied with UCLA basketball but Myles was a very good player here. His improvement was particularly impressive given his academic workload in engineering. Myles is a SPECIAL person and your remarks about his ability are disgraceful and not accurate
And your post doesn’t address what I said, which was about offense
I did like Myles as a RU player, just pointing out a fatal flaw late in a game
Your Point taken on defense is valid
Can you counter my point on offense? I don’t think he was a complete player, sometimes you are down one late, there he was a liability
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no excuses on the blown point blank put back with 1:25 left when you are 6'10" and at the rim
I will remind you that you're insane if you think cliff is gonna thrive in the NBA with his current skill set. He has a lot to work on.
You're exaggerating the situation to try and make a negative point.
Myles was in the rotation at UCLA - played all 35 games and started 15 and averaged ~18mpg. His Game logs suggest that his minutes distribution was varied up and down throughout the season. His minutes in the tourney dipped down to ~12 mpg in his last 2 games, but this hardly suggests he would be out of the rotation "watching from the bench" if he chose to play this season.
Also - not sure how you cannot acknowledge Myles as at least a "Good" player unless you are the type that totally does not understand the value of defensive basketball. If you could not recognize Myles value on the court while at RU, not sure really why anyone would even engage with you in any type of pure basketball discussion. Myles was a very good rebounder (both offensive and defensive) and rim protector. That alone makes him a good level player at the very least. He had very good defensive footwork, a strong lower body and maintained effectiveness against superior offensive opponents. While his range was limited, he shot with a fairly high efficiency around the basket and was a willing passer. He averaged 8pts per game his last 2 seasons at RU. All of which makes him a good player at the very least.
This is coming from someone (you) who clearly just doesn’t value defense very much. You made similar comments about Caleb throughout last year even implying that Pike only played him out of loyalty. Come on man - you must realize how wrong you were on those takes at least. NBA scouts, voters of defensive player of the year and Pike are not all wrong. There’s a reason Caleb averaged 2+ minutes more than every other starter despite factoring in coming off the bench several games while working his way back from injuries. He was hugely important just as Myles played a huge role in helping us climb out of the BIG basement. Defense is half the game.
My comments about Caleb were not that he sucked. My issue was that he took too many threes (not his strength) and as a steadfast player’s coach Pike wouldn’t shut that down. He was letting Caleb audition for the NBA even though his perimeter shooting was among the worst on the team and certainly detrimental.
Re Myles - you don’t understand stats and accolades. Of course Myles led in rebounds. Most of his career here he was the tallest guy we had and only defended around the basket. Byron Joynes was our leading rebounder, as was Kareem Wright. Probably led in blocks too. Does that mean they were good players?
Myles had no offensive game at RU or UCLA. None. At UCLA he had a Manute Bol role of just staying out of the way. He had bad hands and couldn’t shoot better than half of us. He only contributed on D. He had a reputation as a D specialist. Yet all the other bigs in both conferences had far superior offensive ability too. That’s how accolades work. It’s the only thing he was known for so got that reputation…it sure as hell doesn’t mean he was a good player.
Re Myles - you don’t understand stats and accolades. Of course Myles led in rebounds. Most of his career here he was the tallest guy we had and only defended around the basket. Byron Joynes was our leading rebounder, as was Kareem Wright. Probably led in blocks too. Does that mean they were good players?
Myles had no offensive game at RU or UCLA. None. At UCLA he had a Manute Bol role of just staying out of the way. He had bad hands and couldn’t shoot better than half of us. He only contributed on D. He had a reputation as a D specialist. Yet all the other bigs in both conferences had far superior offensive ability too. That’s how accolades work. It’s the only thing he was known for so got that reputation…it sure as hell doesn’t mean he was a good player.
Letting him audition for the NBA😂😂😂
It’s comical the shit you make up in your head and post them as the absolute truth
You’re embarrassing yourself. Of course Pike and every coach in America gives headliner players the opportunity to showcase their skills to impress. Same reason he continues to allow Cliff to make moves we all know he can’t convert. It’s the game. It’s part of recruiting and it keeps your key players with NBA aspirations happy.
You are a regular poster. Am stunned you don’t recognize that’s a big part of the game.
You are a regular poster. Am stunned you don’t recognize that’s a big part of the game.
I’m embarrassing myself😂😂😂😂
You post narratives that you create in your own mind as fact
Assumptions aren’t facts….they are assumptions
You have ZERO knowledge of Pike’s thought process as it pertains to Caleb…
Just another message board BS artist who who posts opinions as facts
We get it, you're a super-Schiano troll from the football forum and this is a down-time there. So you come over here to continue to hone your trolling skills a bit more. Not sure what or how much RU Basketball you actually watched while Myles played, but he did not only defend near the rim. Pike calls on his players to rotate out on D - if you payed attention or actually watched, you would know this. The team suffered in being able to secure rebounds the year that Myles left. As good as Cliff is - strong hands have not been his forte.
PS - Kareem Wright was never even close to being the team's top rebounder in his years at RU.
Sorry Wheezer, I was replying to another poster and I think your post inadvertently got responded to also.
But I absolutely will respond directly. Your point is absolutely correct. There are very few complete players, and I really like Myles Johnson as a person, fellow alum and hoops player. But yes, Myles’ strength in hoops was defense. Other R players should have, and were relied upon for late baskets. He was injured but sucked it up to play the game vs Houston, and it hurt us down the stretch.
Sorry Wheezer, I was replying to another poster and I think your post inadvertently got responded to also.
But I absolutely will respond directly. Your point is absolutely correct. There are very few complete players, and I really like Myles Johnson as a person, fellow alum and hoops player. But yes, Myles’ strength in hoops was defense. Other R players should have, and were relied upon for late baskets. He was injured but sucked it up to play the game vs Houston, and it hurt us down the stretch.
Thanks for clarifying
We seem to agree
I wish Myles would have stuck around but totally understand his transfer
Since this is about MJ and not Caleb, I’m not going to pull up those old threads but that’s not the way I remember it. I believe You started a string about how Caleb should go to the bench for Hyatt. I don’t remember the specific context - I’m sure it was after one of Hyatt’s handful of lights out shooting days.
Regardless, Caleb attempted a total of only 64 threes on the whole season. For a guy who played +33 mpg that’s not a lot at all.
i do have a much higher regard for Hyatt than pretty much everyone here. defensive lapses occasionally but compared to Paul who couldnt defend anyone i am happy he’s coming back and Paul isnt.
my dissatisfaction with caleb was the excessive 3 pointers. 64 is too many if you only make 20%....IIRC. if that stat isnt correct now, it was during the season when i looked.
my dissatisfaction with caleb was the excessive 3 pointers. 64 is too many if you only make 20%....IIRC. if that stat isnt correct now, it was during the season when i looked.
No - it’s not a lot for a guard playing those minutes and assisting with ball handling. Especially with Paul having hot potato mentality (seemed he never took the shot with time expiring on shot clock). Derek is just as bad from 3. He took 60 threes in a lot less action than Caleb. If we couldn’t find Cam someone had to shoot.
Hyatt, by the way, only made 30% of his threes. He took 147 of them in a lot less time on the court, virtually all of which were catch and shoot. Many of Caleb and Derek’s shots were taken because we needed to get a shot off. Hyatt never handles the ball so that wasn’t the case with him.
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