Isn’t the point that everyone else is inept though?
We have two viable Big Ten starters at the moment. One was hurt. The other did what he had to do tonight, which was score
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We have two viable Big Ten starters at the moment. One was hurt. The other did what he had to do tonight, which was score
With all due respect, are you insane? Ace “went off” in the FIRST half when we were still in the game. He had 19 of our 34 points in the first half. You make it seem like he scored 39 points in garbage time after we went down by 20 points or something, as if they were all meaningless stat-stuffer empty points.
Of all the things to complain about tonight, complaining about the guy who scored half of our points is, yeah, downright insane.
All due respect…
Seriously think about that. He started a kid who has hardly played in the last three weeks.
The staff didnt turn in to a disgrace in 1 year. Maybe the DNA of the program doesnt work when you have 2 one and dones
The one and dones aren’t the problem. They’re doing more than their part — way more.
They didn't have the chance to show their ineptness off passes from him is the point. There was one they butchered after he was triple teamed, he moved it, another quick pass and JWill bypassed an open three to drive and turn it over I think. I don't recall another instance of someone blowing an assist from him. His asst % has been low all year. The team only had like 7 assists tonight. That's pathetic.
the last 12 or so points were after tge game was over. At the point where we were down 18 i thiught he was a net negative. He forced us to play zone and he was so bad on defense.
So to be clear, the game is closer if Ace doesn't play?
I think he is trying to make a point that by taking these 2, Pike wasnt going to be able to use defense as his cornerstone and that was set in motion pretty early because there was no way these 2 would have to be held accountable at all for anything this year
Pike has allowed them to become what they are. Almost all of the blame is on him.
They did turn into a disgrace. Literally. In front of our eyes.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
We stand and watch when an opponent shoots. We run fast breaks with more errors than a middle school team. And we can't draw up an effective play ... not even by mistake.
If that's not a disgrace, what do you call it???????
You cannot possible be serious . We got killed by Myles Rice a guard who ACE did not guard and had 21 points , and by Ballo who AcE didn’t guard but blocked his shot numerous times. What did the guy ACE guard in the man to man defense score ?
On a night where most fans except you witnessed an absolutely jaw dropping 39 points in NBA like shot making from ACE and every commentator and observer are giving the greatest compliments , you have the nerve to shit on him but not for his missed foul shots but his defense. What didn’t you like his 8 rebounds , his 4 blocks , or did you expect him to block that last shot at the half then retrieve it and make sure the Indiana guy doesn’t shoot it , not placing blame on the rest of the 4 other guys and especially JMike for not securing the rebound.
This game was lost because of Indiana getting 18 offensive rebounds and 34 second chance points and the consistent lack of team defensive rebounding. Plus allowing them to hit 12 threes , when they have sucked in their first 12 games , was a horrendous effort and staying in the zone too long and not switching defenses often was the cause of a lot of them and that is on Pike. The supporting cast caused the loss. PJ missing 4 wide open 3’s and Martini air balling a 3 are things you should never see your so called shooters do.
Pike has been flamoxed by these supporting cast but he did have a good night either. One key part of the game was after ACE hit a ridiculous 3 from the corner off an inbounds play and Derdack gets pushed. ACE cut it to 58-52. They gift us a 2 shot dead ball technical. He has PJ and Somerville on the floor and have shown they are much better foul shooters than ACE , who already has a 1-7 from the line earlier this year. Ace misses 2 foul shots. Critical momentum swing in the game. Another bad decision from Pike.
Lastly , the lack of basketball IQ from this supporting cast , Jeremiah , Jordan , JMike Martini , Ogbole , was so difficult to watch.
We did all these lousy things without Dylan so it is obvious we need him back as soon as possible.
Yes it’s been happening over the last 3 seasons through recruiting, program discipline and not adapting and evolving and improving every year.
Not moving forward therefore moving backwards
Ace is a great scorer and not a great player. Great players make others around them better. Being constantly double teamed and having 0 assists sounds almost impossible. And Sommerville is selfish?
Dylan and Ace ‘s defense these last 5-6 games has been good to adequate and I would argue Dylan is our best defender. AcE is coming on and blocking more from the weak side and a force and his rebounding has been better as well.
You 2 might be missing the problem , the supporting cast has sucked and sucked on defense. Jeremiah , JMike and Jordan supposedly good defenders have been close to terrible and cannot keep anyone in front of them. The rest of PJ and Nartini and Acuff cannot play a lick of defense either. Plus they are not team rebounding causing us to lose games because of the amount of second chance points and points in the paint are at historically the worst of all time. Heads-up it is not Dylan and ACE and not the one and done since they have been pretty much living up to the hype and even exceeded it . The other guys have failed Pike and this team. As bad as this game was , it is a 10 point game and PJ misses 4 wide open 3’s and Martini airballs one. If 2 of 5 go down at the time of the game they were taken , Rutgers regains momentum. But they shut the bed.
Ace was 16-29 on mostly outside jumpers. That is stupendous. Who fvcking cares if he didn’t pass the ball?!
Should he have passed the ball to 0-10 PJ Martincack?
Ace is here to score, period. Dylan, JWill, and JMike can distribute. Ace has actually shown to be a good passer, but on a night when he is lighting up the scoreboard, keep shooting young man.
Should he have passed the ball to 0-10 PJ Martincack?
Ace is here to score, period. Dylan, JWill, and JMike can distribute. Ace has actually shown to be a good passer, but on a night when he is lighting up the scoreboard, keep shooting young man.
Well, no, but that is not solely on Ace and Dylan. Frankly, Dylan has been good on defense, and Ace has been getting better and certainly he is one player who actually got the rebounding memo and took it to heart.
Which is more than we can say for most everyone else.
I know that’s what he’s saying. But it’s not Ace’s and Dylan’s fault that the REST of the supporting cast can’t defend or rebound. It’s PIKE’S fault for going “all in” on offense without giving a thought about bringing in any two way players.
If PJ is on the floor he has to take those shots. Looks like Pike is playing favorite to his superstar recruit, a recipe for losing the respect of others on the team. My guess is we may see another mass exodus at year end.
It didn't work last year either without one and dones
I am not saying he shouldn’t take those shots , he should . I am saying PJ missing 4 wide open ones and Martini missing was the shitting the bed. Difference between a close game to the wire and the final.
By the way, Hayes, Martini and Derkack were 2-12 (1-8) against Columbia, on top of tonight’s 0-10 (0-7).
So that’s 2-22 (1-15) from three of our primary rotation players in the last two games.
That is a REVOLTING statistic.
So that’s 2-22 (1-15) from three of our primary rotation players in the last two games.
That is a REVOLTING statistic.
He was getting crushed on the boards. How many rebounds did EO have? Clearly didn’t add anything on offense either. I would rather him out there than martini at any time but wasn’t like he added much. I saw Ballo push him like a ragdoll at one point and EO is massive.
Bad coaching and player management. All momentum went out this window on the first half when Ace was on fire and pike pulled him. From that moment on Indiana clobbered us.
Pike is too loyal to players (look at Mulcahy during his dark games 2yrs ago)
Martini should be benched for the year. Rather see what we have in Grant and Dortch before this entire roster gets turned over next year.
Clearly PJ, Martini, and even Dercack are limited. YMCA Acuff should be better but plays as if he is in an over 40 league. JWill was a disaster yesterday and shoukd have been benched but he has been good/decent in other games.
JMike has been quite the pleasant surprise and playing better. Still thinks his name is Ace and he can hit any shot. Sad to watch him get a steal(positive) but then attempt any type of layup(net negative)
We need some other blood off the bench.
I’m more pissed off at our coaches. They are FAILING everyone.
Pretty sure Ogbole averaged more rebounds per minute than anyone on the team last night, w 3 in 10 minutes. I'm not sure he even touched the ball on offense within 22 feet of the basket, hard tobhave an impact that way. Lathan had, what 5 boards in 26?
We had to play zone. A defense we never play because of Ace (and a lessser extent Sommerville).
Umm, it was because nobody could guard Ballo. Secondarily, perhaps to give Ace a breather because we needed him to do everything.
The failure here is all on Pike’s horrific roster construction.
If only they had left him in, Ace might have stayed hot. Could've put up 39 points. If only..
Cam Thomas approves of last night's game.
Without Dylan, we're the Nets.
One elite talent scoring and the team ultimately does just enough to lose.
A perfect example of lack of fundamentals was a free throw early in the first half Dercack instead of boxing his man out just ran to the rim and the ball took a deep kick out right to the Indiana player who was not boxed out at all; if Dercack would have just bodied his man and stayed in position the rebound is ours
This is basketball 101 and the fact that our players lack this ability is startling
Ace will be an incredible player and already has incredible talent. He probably needs to score close to this for us to win. However, unlike Dylan, he doesn’t make other players better. Neither does Pike anymore for that matter.
Also when your supposed 3 point shooters don't make a shot its hard to get assists
The tech.
While %'s dictate someone other than Ace taking them, I think there's another way to look at the decision.
There was one chance of winning the way our team was shooting & it was going to require Ace to magically deliver a W. Why not give your projected NBA lottery pick(who was the only one scoring) a chance to put the team on his back and will us to victory? He missed the shots, but giving a lottery pick a chance to do make 2 clutch free throws is not that Crazy.
It didn't pan out, but in future we know Dylan will get the call over Ace - or maybe the 80%ers.
While %'s dictate someone other than Ace taking them, I think there's another way to look at the decision.
There was one chance of winning the way our team was shooting & it was going to require Ace to magically deliver a W. Why not give your projected NBA lottery pick(who was the only one scoring) a chance to put the team on his back and will us to victory? He missed the shots, but giving a lottery pick a chance to do make 2 clutch free throws is not that Crazy.
It didn't pan out, but in future we know Dylan will get the call over Ace - or maybe the 80%ers.
Because Lathan Somerville has probably worked very hard being a good free throw shooter and the results show with him making over 80% on the season. Let's choose the guy at 60% who was just 1-8 in the last game.
How does that make the team feel? Pissed me off as a fan, I can't imagine if I was Lathan. Pike can yell and scream at everyone on the roster not named Ace. He can give free points to Ace either because he needs Ace to have more scoring to sell more cards or he is afraid that Ace will be mad.
What do you think was going through Lathan and PJ's head when he chose Ace? Do you think they were OK with it?
What are fellow players thinking when Ace is celebrating making a 3 down 12 with 2 minutes left or joking and laughing and giddy with 40 seconds left OR joking with Knight and the other guy with 1 minutes left while the other 4 guys are listening to what Pike said in the huddle.
All this sh!t is toxic.
Thank you - yea you guys realize for a player to get an assist, the person he passes the ball to has to make a basket right? 0-10 from 3 main rotation guys, = 0 assists, imagine that. Passing the ball to Dercack is a black hole at this point. Ace cant pass the ball to himself
