Rapid Reaction - Nebraska
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The way I see it we need to win game 2023-24 PERIOD. If we somehow go 3-1 in the next 4 we are right back in the mix probably the right side of the bubble. We can't afford putting gavin out there right now. Even when he hits shots he is a net negative.
Many players have contributed to us at 10-7 being longshot for ncaa. Gavin certainly is one. I am stunned the recency bias of one win and people forgetting about others
The primary reason, in my eyes, are the 3 point guards. Offensively the issues were still there. Progress was made, but shot selection was bad. Simpson, with the exception of one really nice play, has his head down driving to the basket. He missed Cliff 2 times in the 2nd half on these drives.
The defense played by the 3 guards is great. Pike had all 3 on Tominaga and one of the best moves he made was taking Simpson off him for awhile as to reserve physical and mental energy as the primary ballhandler,
Great effort last night----no quit in this team and Coach P has to get credit for that.
Why don’t you explain why this is a bash Gavin Griffith rant. Has he played great no. Is he struggling with D ? Is he the only reason we have underperformed? I can cite you 4-5-6 others who have done poorly. There is a reason other than his lacking D skills or shooting poorly. D .
My rant is the fact he doesnt deserve to be in the rotation. Others have played poorly and are playing poorly, but they should be in the rotation because they are our 8-9 best.
What works on Nebby isnt going to work on Illinios or Purdue
J mike only played 10 minutes which no one is talking about this morning will see more minutes
Pike threaded the needle and it was done perfectly
That needle hole is 10x smaller than last year
The negative NET? Only in these times . Admit the fact GG doesn’t fit your take … the kid is struggling at this time and it’s easy to say, ” sit his butt down”. That does not fix the issues. You saw last night what getting Cliff involved did. 2. Games ago people were bashing Cliff . Let the coach do what he and staff see fit to do.
Did you not read here our coach has reached his pinnacle… I have said when you bash one player the reality is you are bashing them all.Only saw several posts who gave Pikiell any credit. True MBB board.
Did you not read here our coach has reached his pinnacle… I have said when you bash one player the reality is you are bashing them all.Only saw several posts who gave Pikiell any credit. True MBB board.
So your expertise and 30k postings tells you he needs to not play at all ? Brilliant plan.
Many have complained about Pike’s constant tinkering with lineups (myself included), but yesterday he pushed all the right buttons.
It appears he’s getting clarity about who should play when.
It may have taken longer than we all would’ve liked, but then again he had two returnees crap out on him, we have many new faces, and two current starters were coming back from season-ending injuries.
It appears he’s getting clarity about who should play when.
It may have taken longer than we all would’ve liked, but then again he had two returnees crap out on him, we have many new faces, and two current starters were coming back from season-ending injuries.
This team desperately needs what gavin can provide. The problem is the price we pay on defense is too high.
As for Cliff...I think I have made it pretty known my thoughts on him and what he and Myles has meant to this program.
If you go back a few months over my takes with personnel I have been pretty much on the money.
We are not going back several months ago… we are in the moment. Was that you that said that?
"My takeaway was he is even bad when he makes shots."
you dont even make sense. so he was "bad" when he made the two 3s?!
yeah okay.
yes, his D was REALLY bad on 2 plays and his TO was bad.
but Oscar was equally bad. he got beat repeatedly - also gave up 2 easy baskets - but without the points, PROMISE and ELIGIBILITY that Gavin has.
one can certainly argue that Gavin = Oscar in terms of what they contributing (or not contributing right now) RIGHT NOW. but it really is a wash. can anyone REALLY say that Oscar is contributing noticeably more at this point? come on...REALLY?
the answer is no. they are a wash.
thus - due to PROMISE and ELIGIBILITY the minutes...and all of them...need to go to Gavin. Oscar is done/ gone. there is ZERO reason to give Oscar minutes over Gavin at this point.
You may be correct at this point but let the coach decide that not some poster on a message board.
Saying give gavin's minutes to Austin williams.
Do you think gavin is going to figure things out playing 7 MPG?
lol at “getting to the point where Pike has to call it”
BONUS - we found our top 5
Simpson
Hyatt
Mag
Austin Williams
Cliff
They need to play ALOT together the rest of the way. Will they be under sized? Yes. But do they give us the best shot to W? Yes
Simpson
Hyatt
Mag
Austin Williams
Cliff
They need to play ALOT together the rest of the way. Will they be under sized? Yes. But do they give us the best shot to W? Yes
Hey I have been in on Austin Williams since I watched him prior and since he has begun playing here. Bigger , not afraid to attack the rim, can’t hit a free throw, but is a pretty good defender. My issue is writing GG off already and you are pushing for that.I think that is a bit premature.
The kid is obviously struggling but he's never going to figure it out giving him no game minutes.
And with J. Williams and the Ogbole coming in minutes will be even more limited.
IMHO, his minutes should be limited - similar to last night - and used strategically (again like last night). When Pike needed the D to clamp down Gavin didnt see the floor (as he shouldnt have). but he gave him a few minutes in the middle of each half. IMHO, Pikes use of Gavin (and # and timing of his minutes) were spot on last night.
his minutes should come at the expense of Noah and Oscar (neither of which contribute much more than him and neither of which will be here next year).
but being completely "done" with Gavin at this point (or whatever term you used) is just silly.
Ru BOB,
The way i see it, as an emotional fan.......give this team the best chance of winning basketball games RIGHT NOW. If we can't beat either at Illinois or Purdue than I might start opening up to the possibilities of a season that has almost no chance and maybe starting to play gavin and others.
The way i see it, as an emotional fan.......give this team the best chance of winning basketball games RIGHT NOW. If we can't beat either at Illinois or Purdue than I might start opening up to the possibilities of a season that has almost no chance and maybe starting to play gavin and others.
Giving him 7 minutes just puts him in more of a position to fail. It is obvious he is trying to do way too much because he knows he is in there for 5 possessions.
What I think i said a month ago was you play him zero or 20+ minutes. Pike is trying to thread the needle giving him a few minutes but hoping it doesnt hurt him too much.
What I think i said a month ago was you play him zero or 20+ minutes. Pike is trying to thread the needle giving him a few minutes but hoping it doesnt hurt him too much.
That lineup is fine size wise and inserting Williams is an improvement in size
If J Will and Ogbole come back, our team size only improves
#FreeChol
The sad thing about Oskar this season is everyone has played so poorly that he has is shot to be in the rotation but he now somehow forgot how to shoot a 3
happened last year too.
1. Bullpen is fryed and he is the last arm
2. 14th round of a shootout and only slow defenseman are left
| 14:06 | SUB IN by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN | ||||
| 14:06 | GOOD FT by ALLICK,JOSIAH | 51 (+8) |
| 43 | |
| 13:50 | 51 (+5) | 
| 46 | GOOD 3PTR by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN | |
| -- | ASSIST by FERNANDES,NOAH | ||||
| 13:36 | MISS 3PTR by LAWRENCE,JAMARQUES | ||||
| -- | REBOUND OFF by GARY,JUWAN | ||||
| 13:33 | MISS LAYUP by GARY,JUWAN(in the paint) | ||||
| 13:33 | BLOCK by OMORUYI,CLIFFORD | ||||
| -- | REBOUND OFF by TEAM | ||||
| 13:21 | GOOD LAYUP by GARY,JUWAN(in the paint) | 53 (+7) |
| 46 | |
| -- | ASSIST by LAWRENCE,JAMARQUES | ||||
| 13:02 | TURNOVER by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN | ||||
| 13:02 | STEAL by WILLIAMS,BRICE | ||||
| 12:57 | FOUL by FERNANDES,NOAH | ||||
| 12:57 | SUB OUT by GARY,JUWAN | ||||
| 12:57 | SUB IN by MAST,RIENK | ||||
| 12:57 | MISS FT by WILLIAMS,BRICE(fastbreak) | ||||
| -- | REBOUND DEADB by TEAM | ||||
| 12:57 | SUB OUT by LAWRENCE,JAMARQUES | ||||
| 12:57 | SUB IN by HOIBERG,SAM | ||||
| 12:57 | GOOD FT by WILLIAMS,BRICE(fastbreak) | 54 (+8) |
| 46 | |
| 12:47 | FOUL by ALLICK,JOSIAH | ||||
| 12:47 | 54 (+7) |
| 47 | GOOD FT by OMORUYI,CLIFFORD | |
| 12:47 | MISS FT by OMORUYI,CLIFFORD | ||||
| -- | REBOUND DEF by WILLIAMS,BRICE | ||||
| 12:32 | GOOD 3PTR by WILLIAMS,BRICE | 57 (+10) |
| 47 | |
| -- | ASSIST by HOIBERG,SAM | ||||
| 12:13 | MISS 3PTR by HYATT,AUNDRE | ||||
| -- | REBOUND DEF by WILCHER,C.J. | ||||
| 12:02 | MISS 3PTR by MAST,RIENK | ||||
| -- | REBOUND DEF by DAVIS,JAMICHAEL | ||||
| 11:52 | 57 (+8) |
| 49 | GOOD JUMPER by FERNANDES,NOAH | |
| 11:28 | MISS 3PTR by ALLICK,JOSIAH | ||||
| -- | REBOUND OFF by TEAM | ||||
| 11:27 | TIMEOUT MEDIA by TEAM | ||||
| 11:27 | SUB OUT by DAVIS,JAMICHAEL | ||||
| 11:27 | SUB OUT by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN |
Those are development items that every player goes through......did Mawot Mag make these mistakes as a freshman and sophomore?? Of course he did and a lot more of them.
There's no substitute for game reps and experience, I would hope you're as critical for the other players, when they also lost their man or gave up wide open 3s or backdoor layups.....it's basketball and there are no perfect players on the defense end of the court.
Does Gavin have to play better, in order to have a good college career?? Yes and that starts on defense. He at least got in the way and helped on the glass at times.. he is 6'8", with long arms.
Players need to play, so they feel completely invested and engaged in the bullets and firestorm that goes on during these games. The Nebraska system is a good system that's been tweaked and adjusted and improved each and every year that Hoiberg has been there. They're getting closer and closer to the Iowa State versions in the Big 12 from a decade or so ago.
The kid went 1 for his last 19 from 3 and is still actually shooting around 27% from 3.....it's very hard to play at a B1G level as a freshman, but it's not lack of length or size or skill. I'd like to see more of the effort Gavin displayed last night and take my chances with his defensive mistakes, because we can get the same defensive mistakes and lack of rebounding from Oskar.
There's a ton of basketball left to be played this season and I'm kinda surprised fans are still hammering on Griffiths.....let him learn and develop, he can't do that sitting next to Pike for all 40 minutes.
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Not saying we can beat either. We could IF we play over our heads and can get some actual positive play from some of our bench players. The way Edey is playing Purdue Is going to be very tough .Purdue has some decent guards . Painter is a good coach .Eddy also has been able to exert his size inside. Even when he rolls over a defender seldom do those B1G refs toot those whistles. Cliff cannot allow him to pummel him. Wish Ogbole was available if only to annot Eddy in the post. That will be an interesting event if it happens.
You have way too much time on your hands. Giving an analysis is nice . Actually sad in a way since it is not helping Gavin Griffiths learn D at this level. He is A ) athletic enough B ) a solid shooter even with his poor play.C ) not strong enough D ) needs to let the game come to him .pretty sure Gavin was the reason for everything highlighted.
14:06 SUB IN by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN 14:06 GOOD FT by ALLICK,JOSIAH 51 (+8) 43 13:50 51 (+5) 46 GOOD 3PTR by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN -- ASSIST by FERNANDES,NOAH 13:36 MISS 3PTR by LAWRENCE,JAMARQUES -- REBOUND OFF by GARY,JUWAN 13:33 MISS LAYUP by GARY,JUWAN(in the paint) 13:33 BLOCK by OMORUYI,CLIFFORD -- REBOUND OFF by TEAM 13:21 GOOD LAYUP by GARY,JUWAN(in the paint) 53 (+7) 46 -- ASSIST by LAWRENCE,JAMARQUES 13:02 TURNOVER by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN 13:02 STEAL by WILLIAMS,BRICE 12:57 FOUL by FERNANDES,NOAH 12:57 SUB OUT by GARY,JUWAN 12:57 SUB IN by MAST,RIENK 12:57 MISS FT by WILLIAMS,BRICE(fastbreak) -- REBOUND DEADB by TEAM 12:57 SUB OUT by LAWRENCE,JAMARQUES 12:57 SUB IN by HOIBERG,SAM 12:57 GOOD FT by WILLIAMS,BRICE(fastbreak) 54 (+8) 46 12:47 FOUL by ALLICK,JOSIAH 12:47 54 (+7) 47 GOOD FT by OMORUYI,CLIFFORD 12:47 MISS FT by OMORUYI,CLIFFORD -- REBOUND DEF by WILLIAMS,BRICE 12:32 GOOD 3PTR by WILLIAMS,BRICE 57 (+10) 47 -- ASSIST by HOIBERG,SAM 12:13 MISS 3PTR by HYATT,AUNDRE -- REBOUND DEF by WILCHER,C.J. 12:02 MISS 3PTR by MAST,RIENK -- REBOUND DEF by DAVIS,JAMICHAEL 11:52 57 (+8) 49 GOOD JUMPER by FERNANDES,NOAH 11:28 MISS 3PTR by ALLICK,JOSIAH -- REBOUND OFF by TEAM 11:27 TIMEOUT MEDIA by TEAM 11:27 SUB OUT by DAVIS,JAMICHAEL 11:27 SUB OUT by GRIFFITHS,GAVIN
I am not willing to lose games so he can develop. he will probably have 100 hours of practice and film the rest of the way. He will probably have 2 hours of playing time the rest of the year.
I think you know i am critical of all players, except mag of course.
There may be a time where we "give up" on the season and give Gavin 25 MPG guaranteed (provided he doesnt really mess up). I am not at that point.
great point about Mag...he was a mess early on and some including me were wrongly writing him off.
that particular team had OTHERS who were able put out a legit Big 10 lineup. This years team is weaker on talent and consistency so Gavin is thrown in these situations where he has to have significant impact or his mistakes are magnified.
after a string of setbacks, last night was a step forward, sure it wasnt spectacular but a step forward is where it starts
But you just may have to over these next 3-4 games. It is fine to be critical of a player’s game but oddly singling out Gavin saying he should be benched is counterproductive. So he goes to UConn next season and averages 15 per game . Are we still saying Cam sucks ? No … this player needs to keep studying and practice D.
I thought it needed to be done. Heaven forbid if KCG broke it out on video.
In literally a 3 minute span he had 3 negatives that led to scores or ended possessions. Despite being 1-1 knocking down a 3 he really hurt us in the shift. that is hard to do.
all mistakes aren't equal. JaMike's mistakes aren't having the same impact of gavin's. It also comes down to the frequency
