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Recruits De committing from Other Teams

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Michael Clark OT 3 star recruit de committed from Maryland hasn't been hearing from Maryland recently and they have 2 4 stars OL already and another 4 star visiting this weekend. Pittsburgh is on his list.

Sir Patrick Scott CB 3 stars de committed from Michigan since they are looking for bigger fish.

Sanders, 4 stars RB, changed his twitter took everything Penn State off and is now following several Michigan State coaches and players. Visiting this weekend to MST. This will be the third 4 star recruits lost by Penn State. Probably will lose 2 more recruits.
 
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The entire commitment structure is a joke. Why not just have teams offer players and the players can tell whatever they want to them or nothing until the official day of signing?
The asylum is now being run by the inmates.
I know the coaches want to build a "team" with their needs, but what good is it when you really have absolutely nothing to hold anyone to their word?
 
The entire commitment structure is a joke. Why not just have teams offer players and the players can tell whatever they want to them or nothing until the official day of signing?
The asylum is now being run by the inmates.
I know the coaches want to build a "team" with their needs, but what good is it when you really have absolutely nothing to hold anyone to their word?


Take the flip side, once they sign the school and the NCAA own them and dictate everything they do. Very important decision for these kids. Early signing period in August would save a lot schools money on the recruiting front for sure.
 
The entire commitment structure is a joke. Why not just have teams offer players and the players can tell whatever they want to them or nothing until the official day of signing?
The asylum is now being run by the inmates.
I know the coaches want to build a "team" with their needs, but what good is it when you really have absolutely nothing to hold anyone to their word?

Once the high school player signs his LOI, the school essentially "owns his rights" for 5 years (exception is leaving school to either play in the NFL or do something else or leave after a year to go to JUCO and repeat the process). The joke is that people are paying attention to high school students and expect these teenage boys (and girls) to not change their mind. Apparently some of us have forgotten what it is like to be 16 -- 18 years old when commitment to something means you expect to do it for another month or two.
 
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The entire commitment structure is a joke. Why not just have teams offer players and the players can tell whatever they want to them or nothing until the official day of signing?
The asylum is now being run by the inmates.
I know the coaches want to build a "team" with their needs, but what good is it when you really have absolutely nothing to hold anyone to their word?
above sound like the coaches want better players so they stop communicating with the recruits and continue to pursue other recruits.
 
I think a bigger problem is schools like Alabama Ohio State Michigan Notre Dame USCw collecting recruits and continually recruiting "over" them. Holding these kids hopes and dreams by their collective pinky toe. Some will survive and even thrive but some will either be brought in and forced out after a year or two...or worse told their scholarship will not be honored or ThAT they have to greyshirt for a year limiting their chances. Kids are wishing up and instead of waiting for the outcome are keeping their options open. Don't get me wrong some of these kids are playing same game in reverse. Accepting a scholarship to their fallback school just in case while still pursuing better offers. Big business at its finest.
 
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Once the high school player signs his LOI, the school essentially "owns his rights" for 5 years (exception is leaving school to either play in the NFL or do something else or leave after a year to go to JUCO and repeat the process). The joke is that people are paying attention to high school students and expect these teenage boys (and girls) to not change their mind. Apparently some of us have forgotten what it is like to be 16 -- 18 years old when commitment to something means you expect to do it for another month or two.

- I'd encourage a somewhat different perspective - when you think about virtually every 16-18 year old kid going through the process - the Colleges & coaches hold virtually all of the advantages -

kids - are 16-18, never did this before - so no prior experience, figuring it out as they move forward - most somewhat susceptible to grand and glorious snow-jobs & appeals to their ego
coaches - are 35-65 - this is their career - been doing this for 10-40 years, they have vast knowledge, can write books on it ... & some rank as the best con-artists in history.

kids - ultimately making one choice impacting the rest of their lives - want it to be the very best choice - this is their education, their potential athletic career, and the environment where friends & acquaintances will be made that will potentially impact the rest of their lives
Think about the consequences - make a really bad choice & in most cases your life take a very different path.
coaches - ultimately making 22-27 choices per year - some will be great, some good, some duds - and for critical situations, coaches usually enable themselves to select 2 or 3 choices.
Think about the consequences - make a really bad choice - bench the kid & focus on the other recruit.
kids - limited resources to help work through this process Mom, Dad, Coach, Guidance Counselor, and maybe one of those recruiting consultants .... trying to identify the best choice for the 16-18 year old high school senior
coaches - 6-figure+ annual marketing & recruiting budgets, multi-menber recruiting staff, extensive & expensive recruiting research databases, helicopters, Escalades, corporate jets,
trying to find the best choices for the team

Ultimately - blatant dishonesty is despicable & should be scorned -
- but reconsideration / new choices based upon changes in circumstances / new information is a realistic part of this process - especially since 'verbals' are 'non-binding' in both directions.
 
SIGNING DAY!

Until that fax gets sent and is received by the school, NOTHING is set in stone and nothing is official.

Everything leading up to that is just twitter and message boards melodrama, nothing more and nothing else.
 
SIGNING DAY!

Until that fax gets sent and is received by the school, NOTHING is set in stone and nothing is official.

Everything leading up to that is just twitter and message boards melodrama, nothing more and nothing else.

Not entirely true, getting a commitment from a recruit greatly increases the odds that he will eventually sign with the school.
 
Let's be blunt, right know RU's "recruiting pool' is retaining the committed kids they want, recruiting from other schools de-commits or soft verbals, re-connecting with kids that the "new" RU coaches were recruiting or know about from their previous schools, and maybe trying to turn kids that are familiar with RU (recruited by) and went elsewhere because of the old staff or some other circumstance (least likely) RU is not going to be able to establish a relationship with someone new between now and the signing date. Just hope that the new staff has enough information to make good decisions in a very compressed window.
 
This will be the third 4 star recruits lost by Penn State. Probably will lose 2 more recruits.

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Let's be blunt, right know RU's "recruiting pool' is retaining the committed kids they want, recruiting from other schools de-commits or soft verbals, re-connecting with kids that the "new" RU coaches were recruiting or know about from their previous schools, and maybe trying to turn kids that are familiar with RU (recruited by) and went elsewhere because of the old staff or some other circumstance (least likely) RU is not going to be able to establish a relationship with someone new between now and the signing date. Just hope that the new staff has enough information to make good decisions in a very compressed window.

Remember

- the pool of other schools de-commits or soft verbals is significant - many staff changes have occurred in the past 6 weeks ... and - the new staff has much more experience in understanding how to sniff out a potential flip & capturing them.

- the pool of "or know about from their previous schools" is huge - this staff comes from multiple major programs - programs that had recruiting research efforts that were orders of magnitude larger & more sophisticated than existed in the prior RU regime

- don't discount the fact that several (4-5) coaches on this team can sit down with a recruit and let that recruit hold & try on their National Championship Ring - and talk about how it was won...
 
Michael Clark OT 3 star recruit de committed from Maryland hasn't been hearing from Maryland recently and they have 2 4 stars OL already and another 4 star visiting this weekend. Pittsburgh is on his list.

Sir Patrick Scott CB 3 stars de committed from Michigan since they are looking for bigger fish.

Sanders, 4 stars RB, changed his twitter took everything Penn State off and is now following several Michigan State coaches and players. Visiting this weekend to MST. This will be the third 4 star recruits lost by Penn State. Probably will lose 2 more recruits.
More and more I don't follow the recruiting of 17-18 year olds because they change their mind so often that it really doesn't matter if they commit early or not. It is all about 2/3/16. Let me know who signed on the dotted line and then I can comment on the recruiting class.
 
SIGNING DAY!

Until that fax gets sent and is received by the school, NOTHING is set in stone and nothing is official.

Everything leading up to that is just twitter and message boards melodrama, nothing more and nothing else.

I'm thinking these coaches are very aware who will stick and who is looking around. It's their job to know. Doubt there's a lot of compete surprises.

Agree it's a lot of fan melodrama and social media is driving the bus.
 
Take the flip side, once they sign the school and the NCAA own them and dictate everything they do. Very important decision for these kids. Early signing period in August would save a lot schools money on the recruiting front for sure.
I agree. They really need an early signing period like BBall.
 
Dwumfour, Penn State commit DT, going to Michigan for official visit. I guess if he gets a Michigan offer, he's gone.

I guess the Big Three, Michigan, Ohio State, and Michigan State are going after Penn State recruits same as when Franklin went after Rutgers recruits 2 years ago,
 
Michael Clark OT 3 star recruit de committed from Maryland hasn't been hearing from Maryland recently and they have 2 4 stars OL already and another 4 star visiting this weekend. Pittsburgh is on his list.

Sir Patrick Scott CB 3 stars de committed from Michigan since they are looking for bigger fish.

Sanders, 4 stars RB, changed his twitter took everything Penn State off and is now following several Michigan State coaches and players. Visiting this weekend to MST. This will be the third 4 star recruits lost by Penn State. Probably will lose 2 more recruits.

Sanders has Penn State commit back on his twitter. He has stated publicly that MSU is his backup plan if anything happened with Franklin so with coaches leaving I'm sure that unnerved him a bit along with others in his ear. Ultimately, they're going to do what they're going to do. I don't think we lose Sanders though, but can't blame him for covering his bases. Same with other recruits looking around. Dwumfour and Nordin both need schollies from Michigan first.

I'm not sure if the Michigan decommits are just Harbaugh purging the lower starred recruits or a combination of grades risks/low stars.
 
I think a bigger problem is schools like Alabama Ohio State Michigan Notre Dame USCw collecting recruits and continually recruiting "over" them. Holding these kids hopes and dreams by their collective pinky toe. Some will survive and even thrive but some will either be brought in and forced out after a year or two...or worse told their scholarship will not be honored or ThAT they have to greyshirt for a year limiting their chances. Kids are wishing up and instead of waiting for the outcome are keeping their options open. Don't get me wrong some of these kids are playing same game in reverse. Accepting a scholarship to their fallback school just in case while still pursuing better offers. Big business at its finest.

It's definitely a broken system. They need to figure out something that benefits the recruits without putting the schools in a bind. Imagine if they could only commit on signing day only--that would be crazy.
 
Michael Clark OT 3 star recruit de committed from Maryland hasn't been hearing from Maryland recently and they have 2 4 stars OL already and another 4 star visiting this weekend. Pittsburgh is on his list.

Sir Patrick Scott CB 3 stars de committed from Michigan since they are looking for bigger fish.

Sanders, 4 stars RB, changed his twitter took everything Penn State off and is now following several Michigan State coaches and players. Visiting this weekend to MST. This will be the third 4 star recruits lost by Penn State. Probably will lose 2 more recruits.

In all honesty we really are making room. Randy really recruited very poorly.

You will love our recruiting class this year.
 
Sanders has Penn State commit back on his twitter. He has stated publicly that MSU is his backup plan if anything happened with Franklin so with coaches leaving I'm sure that unnerved him a bit along with others in his ear. Ultimately, they're going to do what they're going to do. I don't think we lose Sanders though, but can't blame him for covering his bases. Same with other recruits looking around. Dwumfour and Nordin both need schollies from Michigan first.

I'm not sure if the Michigan decommits are just Harbaugh purging the lower starred recruits or a combination of grades risks/low stars.
In Scott's case it is grades. As much to the OP's chagrin. There are certain academic requirements the NCAA requires for a kid to be eligible to take official visits. Scott has not taken any OV's. Not even to Michigan. His decommitment was expected. Hopefully he can get his grades up in CC and then give D1 another shot.
 
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