BB Recruiting Reiber / Palmquist officially signed
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#12 seems like a prospect.....I know it’s only one game clip but may see recruiting interest go up if he continues to play like that against better competition.
Citing Eugene for optimism regarding low recruits is fine and dandy when you bring in one 0 star per class. Bringing 3 in 1 class class means we are probably looking at 1 legit b10 player and 2 flops.
It’s a historically bad class for a big ten team. I love Pike, but the more I look at this class the sicker I get. Everything he has built up here is close to being thrown out. That’s how bad this class is.
The RU class is 11th out of 14 schools for 2020 in the B1G rankings....the 2019 class was 13th out of 14, but that was due to only 1 player being in the class (Paul Mulcahy)
The 2018 class, which was good by most measures, was graded as 10th out of 14 in the B1G.....Ron Harper, Montez Mathis and Caleb McConnell highlight this class as all 3 are playing and are in the starting lineup as true sophomores.....the 4th piece in that class was JUCO PF, Shaq Carter.....
The 2017 class was also 10th out of 14 teams, with Doucoure, Myles Johnson, Geo Baker, Souf Mensah (JUCO since departed) and Luke Nathan (walk-on).....
The roster has 3 transfers in during the last 3 classes (Peter Kiss, Jacob Young and Awkasi Yeboah). Young carried a Top 150 ranking out of HS, but transfers do not count towards the recruiting rankings.
These rankings are based on 247/CBS Sports profiles.
The team finished in a 3 way tie for 10th place in the B1G standings last season. The larger question is whether the group of sophomores and freshmen can climb higher than 10th place in the B1G in the next 2 seasons on the court.
The 2018 class, which was good by most measures, was graded as 10th out of 14 in the B1G.....Ron Harper, Montez Mathis and Caleb McConnell highlight this class as all 3 are playing and are in the starting lineup as true sophomores.....the 4th piece in that class was JUCO PF, Shaq Carter.....
The 2017 class was also 10th out of 14 teams, with Doucoure, Myles Johnson, Geo Baker, Souf Mensah (JUCO since departed) and Luke Nathan (walk-on).....
The roster has 3 transfers in during the last 3 classes (Peter Kiss, Jacob Young and Awkasi Yeboah). Young carried a Top 150 ranking out of HS, but transfers do not count towards the recruiting rankings.
These rankings are based on 247/CBS Sports profiles.
The team finished in a 3 way tie for 10th place in the B1G standings last season. The larger question is whether the group of sophomores and freshmen can climb higher than 10th place in the B1G in the next 2 seasons on the court.
And this is why we finish where we finish.
I tried. Watched the Reiber tape. Could find ZERO to be impressed with.
How is Rutgers similar to Illinois and Wisconsin? Those are two really successful basketball programs, historically, with almost as many final four appearances as Rutgers has had NCAA Tournament appearances.
I never got the impression that fans would judge a recruiting class of 2 Top 150 kids and a 3rd starting as true sophomores as a reason to panic. A part of the process is to have talent spread out across 3 to 4 recruiting classes.
The only other path towards winning is having your players stay in your program for 3 to 4 years. Indiana has had great results in recruiting but if a Top 50 or 20 player is in your program for just 1 year, that player has to be replaced with another elite player to see the results become consistent.
RU isn't getting 5 star talent in football or basketball and has not done so historically. Most B1G programs also don't recruit 5 stars consistently. Maybe 4 to 5 of the 14 teams and those are the usual NCAA participants.
The goal for the other 9 programs has to be around player development of 3 stars and some 4 stars that can play for 3 to 4 years. The goal would be that a 3 year starter as a junior or senior is able to compete with a 1 and done freshman in 2 years at the typical powerhouse programs.
I don't see any other path other than that's how the Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Penn State programs have to go, to keep up. They may make the NCAAs 1 to 3 times every 10 years.
If the RU fan has an expectation with no historical investment in the program, to automatically walk from the basement of the B1G to 5th or 6th place in the league in 4 years, that's highly illogical or impossible to expect. Can RU get to the equivalent of football goal of at least 6-6 to 7-5 with a possibility of 8-4 once every 5 years?? Yeah, not impossible.
But to make the NCAAs means you're the in the 9-3 realm in football or in a New Year's Day Bowl game. 7-5 or 6-6 is where in football you get rewarded for a bowl game, and can go 3-6 or 4-5 in the B1G. There's no path towards being an NCAA caliber team in hoops unless you're at .500 or better in league AND you have beaten quality teams along the way.
RU isn't getting 5 star talent in football or basketball and has not done so historically. Most B1G programs also don't recruit 5 stars consistently. Maybe 4 to 5 of the 14 teams and those are the usual NCAA participants.
The goal for the other 9 programs has to be around player development of 3 stars and some 4 stars that can play for 3 to 4 years. The goal would be that a 3 year starter as a junior or senior is able to compete with a 1 and done freshman in 2 years at the typical powerhouse programs.
I don't see any other path other than that's how the Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Penn State programs have to go, to keep up. They may make the NCAAs 1 to 3 times every 10 years.
If the RU fan has an expectation with no historical investment in the program, to automatically walk from the basement of the B1G to 5th or 6th place in the league in 4 years, that's highly illogical or impossible to expect. Can RU get to the equivalent of football goal of at least 6-6 to 7-5 with a possibility of 8-4 once every 5 years?? Yeah, not impossible.
But to make the NCAAs means you're the in the 9-3 realm in football or in a New Year's Day Bowl game. 7-5 or 6-6 is where in football you get rewarded for a bowl game, and can go 3-6 or 4-5 in the B1G. There's no path towards being an NCAA caliber team in hoops unless you're at .500 or better in league AND you have beaten quality teams along the way.
I saw a few other you tube clips that I thought Reiber looked much better. I think the one above was much earlier. Anyone can find them by going to google and checking him on You Tube. I am not giving up on him. I trust Pikiell. Reiber is pretty tall and does have an outside shot. He might just be another Chris Remley. That would not be bad. Remley was the last selection in an NBA draft when there were quite a few rounds. He hit a huge jumper at the buzzer to defeat Notre Dame at the Meadowlands. That was a happy moment.
You are correct. I actually meant that I felt the expectations for this season were similar. I felt all three programs had a realistic shot at the NIT.
He’s thicker than remley and taller. Remley had a quicker release. Hopefully he can be more physical than remley. He looks a little soft in some of those clips but it seemed like nobody was playing defense in some of those. Will be interesting to see how he develops. He has good hands for a big man which you can’t teach.
Same thing he saw in Baker? Or is anything positive on this board not allowed as an SHU poser fan eggs everyone on?
Credit for Baker, McConnell, Johnson, Mathis, and Harper. No credit for Kiss, Souf or Ducuore. Wait on Mulcahy. Bottom line - recruiting has to pick up from current levels to get us to next level. Maybe this class of kids will be Iowa / Wisconsin type players.
While not overly impressed by the class as a whole, I do like Reiber from what little I have seen.
At 6'9'' 240?, he is a better then average athlete with a great looking shot.
He looks like he can put it on the floor a little too.
While not a huge leaper, he does look bouncy at times and quick enough off his feet.
At 6'9'' 240?, he is a better then average athlete with a great looking shot.
He looks like he can put it on the floor a little too.
While not a huge leaper, he does look bouncy at times and quick enough off his feet.
Reiber had 19 in a win
https://phenomhoopreport.com/2019-haeco-invitational-game-4-grimsley-vs-northwest-guilford/
https://phenomhoopreport.com/2019-haeco-invitational-game-4-grimsley-vs-northwest-guilford/
I wonder if Pike sees Reiber as a contributor in the post against B1G posts. After a year of development, can Reiber defend and rebound guarding B1G posts?
If fans can't see the value of a mobile big that can make a perimeter shot against another slower big, maybe they'd rather not have Yeboah, I guess.
We have cut down on the empty possessions that we had last year with Shaq Doorson only able to screen for a guard....Doorson's defender never had to guard Doorson on any screens, because he couldn't shoot or pass well enough....so that defender was planted in the paint or the foul line, preventing any drives to the basket.
We have already seen the immediate benefits on not having another forward who is not a perimeter threat out of the way.(Eugene) so Myles Johnson can get more space and develop with more touches. Reiber is able to screen an opponent's guard and forces the player guarding him, to leave the paint because he has shooting range and can pass the ball.
Reiber is the equivalent of having a 3rd or 4th possession/slot WR in football, or a fullback who can block and catch a pass in the flat. Nothing earth shattering but extremely dangerous and valuable.....move the chains etc.
Once fans are able to actually count possessions that are lost because you don't have versatile players as bigs, is when you understand what Reiber brings to the table. Most NCAA teams have a mobile/shooting threat as a big that creates space for others (off the bench) on the court. He certainly projects better in how we play vs Doucoure or Doorson have done on the offensive end.
If Reiber can stay mobile and maintain his shooting touch, RU is in great shape for those minutes when he's on the court, especially with players like Mulcahy, Harper and McConnell.
Hawk - I agree with your comments about Reiber on offense. But my question was about defense. Can you answer my question?
Can Reiber guard opposing B1G bigs? Can he effectively defend and rebound if he is guarding Wesson, Haarms, Fernando etc?
Thanks
- Kiss was a transfer, brought in to help build up a terrible team. He played and has now been over-recruited by upgraded players.
- Souf was a clear miss.....it happens.....he was likely brought in because of the lack of PG depth at the time. Note that he was quickly separated from the program to make room for better players.
- Duke was a 4* with a good offer list. The kind of star ranking and offer list you are currently pining for and complaining that we need in this class.
- Not sure what you are waiting on for Mulchahy. He's already a contributor seeing significant minutes.
People are saying it’s a weak class as this current team is playing great basketball led by under recruited kids—Geo, Myles, Caleb, Harper, Yeboah.
Interesting tidbit that I didn't know (maybe it's been mentioned on the boards already) was that Pike mentioned that someone (who is clearly Palmquist) will be enrolling early in January. Mentioned working on his I-20, which is some immigration paperwork.
Well he has to hope that, doesn’t he? I mean, he offered him. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that these recruits are part of a cleverly crafted plan that no other coach could envision. Pike offered a lot of the more highly rated players. He just didn’t get them. He got these guys.
Depends on what the opponents bigs are like...Fernando is on the Atlanta Hawks, Wesson and Jalen Smith (Maryland and likely an NBA player)...probably not.
Can the bigs (who Reiber cannot guard in the post) have the footspeed to extend their defense out to the 3 point line??
The defensive concern is minimized if the player on the other team, doesn't have to work hard, move his feet and move on defense.
I am also not advocating Reiber as a 30 minutes a game player early in his career....but all I keep seeing are high major programs poaching mid majors programs or Ivy programs for grad transfers that look like Reiber will project to as an upperclassman.
In a 10 to 15 minute role off the bench, I can definitely see Reiber fitting in the offense and creating matchup problems. Sometimes asking Doucoure or Shaq Doorson to be fast enough to get to the 3 point line before Michigan's Jon Teske, Iowas Luka Garza or Wisconsins Nate Reuvers takes a 3, ( or the bigs from Northwestern, becomes a difference.
Every recruit cant be deemed "not good", because they don't automatically plug into the starting lineup ASAP. You make the roster better from players 7 through 11 or 12, by finding kids who can do things that you currently don't have on the roster.
All the negativity around this class makes me think this will be our best class ever.
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I was fortunate to be part of a small group who was chatting with Pike after practice regarding our new recruits. Of course, coach loves all the guys and doesn't go by rankings on a kid but goes by what he sees in a player including humility, make up, wants to be at RU, readiness to play)
Reiber: He said kid is very 'bouncy"... more than any player on current roster.. 6'10, 240-245 and can shoot it
Mag: 6'7 good shooter, major strength is his defense, expects him to be a stout defender at RU
Palmquist: 6'8 good shooter and has some common traits with Harper...will be enrolling soon and could play this year... question would be deciding to use a full year of eligibility playing a partial year but "we'll see" ...expects him to play on Swedish national team
this summer (if they qualify) . My personal guess would be he redshirts and practices with the team unless (I don't want to say it) injury(s) occurs.
I was a little down on the rankings of our recruits, however, when coach goes through how he assesses players you do feel more confident that good choices are being made.
BTW: coach was heading to Delaware to recruit kids on a team that was playing Hudson Catholic.
Reiber: He said kid is very 'bouncy"... more than any player on current roster.. 6'10, 240-245 and can shoot it
Mag: 6'7 good shooter, major strength is his defense, expects him to be a stout defender at RU
Palmquist: 6'8 good shooter and has some common traits with Harper...will be enrolling soon and could play this year... question would be deciding to use a full year of eligibility playing a partial year but "we'll see" ...expects him to play on Swedish national team
this summer (if they qualify) . My personal guess would be he redshirts and practices with the team unless (I don't want to say it) injury(s) occurs.
I was a little down on the rankings of our recruits, however, when coach goes through how he assesses players you do feel more confident that good choices are being made.
BTW: coach was heading to Delaware to recruit kids on a team that was playing Hudson Catholic.
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