BB Recruiting Reiber / Palmquist officially signed

[willisneverrana43]

Not sure this is an either/or situation. I do have faith in Pike finding diamonds in the rough and turning them into something more then literally everyone else in college basketball does. With that said, it is not unreasonable for fans to wish there would be a top 150 recruit coming in each year.

His offer lists indicate that Pike wants them. This isn't a conscious decision to avoid them. I'm hoping he's the type of coach who can coach his way to some level of success with a system and slightly better recruiting, and then, with that success, his recruiting will also take a leap forward.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Rivals 150: Harper, Mathis, Young, Doucoure, Mulcahy
Not Rivals 150: Baker, Myles, McConnell, Carter, Yeboah

Is it really that unlikely?

If we had to make the decision tomorrow on whether we cut the former rivals 150 kids or the non-150 kids, my choice would be the cut the former 150 kids 10/10 times

 

[willisneverrana43]

If we had to make the decision tomorrow on whether we cut the former rivals 150 kids or the non-150 kids, my choice would be the cut the former 150 kids 10/10 times

And then you should go to Pike and tell him to stop offering all these 150 kids that he offers every year.

 

[AshCatchEm]

And then you should go to Pike and tell him to stop offering all these 150 kids that he offers every year.

That's not my point. My point is he has had more hits from outside the top 150 than inside. So everyone crying over a guy being outside the top 150 is an imbecile.

And that at this point in the season, everyone has pretty much lost their right to complain about pikiell recruiting.

 

[willisneverrana43]

That's not my point. My point is he has had more hits from outside the top 150 than inside. So everyone crying over a guy being outside the top 150 is an imbecile . . . .

No, I figured that's your point. But you hardly noticed mine flying right past and above you.

 

[dvb91]

He is enrolled.

Great to hear. I wonder how many practices he's had so far. Be a pleasant surprise if he logs any minutes this season.

 

[80RU]

Agree 100% about Pike's scouting of 4-year players (only exception was Bullock). JUCO's not so much . . . Souf, Candido and Carter were/are all big disappointments IMHO.

I disagree about Carter. He is pretty good, but just has his minutes limited because we have someone who is better. He plays 11 minutes a game, and those minutes are typically not in garbage time. He shoots 58%, and for 30 minutes his numbers would extend to 12 points and 7.5 rebounds. He is also a pretty good foul shooter for a big guy. I think he is a solid back up center and this was a two-year scholarship reasonably well spent.

 

[Scarlet83]

That's not what I am saying, but its the same robotic saying every kid that he announces.

That is EXACTLY what you said. It’s in writing. You wrote it. I read it.

 

[RU-ROCS]

I disagree about Carter. He is pretty good, but just has his minutes limited because we have someone who is better. He plays 11 minutes a game, and those minutes are typically not in garbage time. He shoots 58%, and for 30 minutes his numbers would extend to 12 points and 7.5 rebounds. He is also a pretty good foul shooter for a big guy. I think he is a solid back up center and this was a two-year scholarship reasonably well spent.

The stats don’t tell the whole story. He has weak hands, he doesn’t crash the offensive boards and he’s not a good defender. JUCOs are supposed to be able to help instantly and he’s been more of a project.

 

[CHR2022]

The stats don’t tell the whole story. He has weak hands, he doesn’t crash the offensive boards and he’s not a good defender. JUCOs are supposed to be able to help instantly and he’s been more of a project.

He could be a good PF in a classic 5 man, but in the new basketball where other teams #4 is hitting 3s he's not a viable option and not big enough to play center IMO

 

[dkostus]

This thread has gotten dumb

 

[80RU]

The stats don’t tell the whole story. He has weak hands, he doesn’t crash the offensive boards and he’s not a good defender. JUCOs are supposed to be able to help instantly and he’s been more of a project.

Stats don’t tell the whole story, but they tell a better story than your subjective analysis. His offensive rebounds per minute are only marginally less than EO’s last year, and offensive rebounding was considered one of EO’s strengths. Once again, the notion that he was a swing and a miss is just not reasonable. I guarantee you that if the coach had a crystal ball at the time of his recruitment, he still would have signed him.

 

[RU-ROCS]

Stats don’t tell the whole story, but they tell a better story than your subjective analysis. His offensive rebounds per minute are only marginally less than EO’s last year, and offensive rebounding was considered one of EO’s strengths. Once again, the notion that he was a swing and a miss is just not reasonable. I guarantee you that if the coach had a crystal ball at the time of his recruitment, he still would have signed him.

Subjective for sure. I can't argue with that. All I know is that I've been at the RAC for every game this season except Caldwell, and Young (who has started to play much better the last two games) and Carter are the only 2 RU players who consistently illicit groans from me and those around me. Maybe that's s sign of how much better the rest of the team has become.

 

[zebnatto]

Is the guess that Palmquist will be on the bench in streetclothes tonight?

 

[RutgHoops]

But, to be clear, Pike has offered an awful lot of recruits who have many P5 offers. He just hasn't landed any yet.

Plus at least four (4) high majors tried to flip Harper after he blew up his Senior season.

 

[RutHut]

Harper never grew those extra 3", but McConnell did.

 

[willisneverrana43]

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Plus at least four (4) high majors tried to flip Harper after he blew up his Senior season.

Uh, ok. I'm not sure what point your making, but you seem to be swinging at a straw man. Let's first stick to the recruits so far this year. Zero or close to zero P5 offers. And, unless you want to disagree, Pike offered multiple recruits with longer offer lists from better schools. He just didn't get them. So, to address the point to which I responded, his landing of this year's players wasn't principally steered by selectivity (unless you refer to the recruits' selectivity). It was steered by his not landing the more highly sought after players that he had offered. As to the players you decided to list from other years, those are about the best offer lists that Pike-recruited players have had. They range from 2 or 3 other major offers to 6 or 7. But that's the cream of Pike's 4- year crop, and it's not enough for 4 years of recruiting.
Since it seems I have to make the point again, I will. Pike's landing recruits this year with limited to no major offers (and as to the majority of his recruits in previous years) is not the result of his choosing to make limited, selective, targeted offers. No. He offered the other guys--the more highly sought after recruits. He wanted them. He just didn't get them.

This not to say that he can't ultimately succeed. He needs to get players who are better than their offer lists, develop them and succeed to a level that then allows him to uptick his recruiting and take the next step. And so on. He may be in the midst of doing that. But that uptick hasn't happened yet, as his recruiting results so far this year illustrates.

 

[RutgHoops]

Uh, ok. I'm not sure what point your making, but you seem to be swinging at a straw man. Let's first stick to the recruits so far this year. Zero or close to zero P5 offers. And, unless you want to disagree, Pike offered multiple recruits with longer offer lists from better schools. He just didn't get them. So, to address the point to which I responded, his landing of this year's players wasn't principally steered by selectivity (unless you refer to the recruits' selectivity). It was steered by his not landing the more highly sought after players that he had offered. As to the players you decided to list from other years, those are about the best offer lists that Pike-recruited players have had. They range from 2 or 3 other major offers to 6 or 7. But that's the cream of Pike's 4- year crop, and it's not enough for 4 years of recruiting.
Since it seems I have to make the point again, I will. Pike's landing recruits this year with limited to no major offers (and as to the majority of his recruits in previous years) is not the result of his choosing to make limited, selective, targeted offers. No. He offered the other guys--the more highly sought after recruits. He wanted them. He just didn't get them.

This not to say that he can't ultimately succeed. He needs to get players who are better than their offer lists, develop them and succeed to a level that then allows him to uptick his recruiting and take the next step. And so on. He may be in the midst of doing that. But that uptick hasn't happened yet, as his recruiting results so far this year illustrates.

Didn't realize you were talking about just this class.

Appears to me Reiber, like Geo, was a priority recruit. Mag seemed to be uncovered at Prolific Prep when he was recruiting Hawkins. As I posted above, Geo/Myles/Doucoure was not a particularly well regarded class if memory serves. Now it looks to have two players who might be All-B1G level kids.

This staff appears to have a knack for developing players. I would be a bit surprised if Reiber/Mag/Palmquist are not B1G level contributors. Time will tell.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Well, let's just beat the puss out of Penn State.