Reluctantly, I'm on board

[Scarlet16E]

First let me say that I believe many of the posters here espousing their glee in the idea of firing coach Flood are in this for all the wrong reasons. Because of who he picked as his starting QB (Any QB would struggle with this O-Line and receiver corps other than LC); because he is "stubborn" (Many good coaches like to make a decision and stick with it); because he has a poor record against teams with winning records (almost every coach does); because he takes notes during games (The man likes to remember details so he can try to correct things later). All of these are STUPID reasons to fire a coach.

I also believe that whoever we hire as our next head coach has a huge task ahead of them. We will not suddenly compete for B1G East championships like Michigan changed after hiring Coach Khaki Pants.

This brings me no joy to say, but Kyle has lost the fanbase. I don't see that relationship being repaired. It's time to make a change.

 

[jmc11201]

Agreed. Welcome to the dark side. For me, email-gate severely shook my confidence in him, but it was the Wisconsin game where I threw in the towel. I know what you mean about a segment wanting him out and looking for excuses (QB, Notes, etc.), but for me it is the inability to adapt and try different things to win, and at some point, your relationship with the fans and credibility with recruits becomes permanently damaged. I admire the loyalty of the kids he is recruiting this year, but they know and like him. Will future classes even give him a shot? My guess is no.

 

[lighty]

"Any QB would struggle with this O-Line"

I will never understand why Rettig couldn't have started one of the second halfs during this incredibly ineffective run by the starting QB to see if he could do any better. Sorry, but this was stubborness. Did anyone who thinks Flood made the right choice by NEVER giving Rettig (or anyone else) a chance ever understand that if someone else started the second half and totally sucked... they could be replaced by Laviano again?

No one was saying the job should be given to Rettig or someone else. The question, which NOBODY has been able to answer, is why would a head coach believe so strongly in a starting QB that fails to lead his team to a single touchdown in four or five straight games. Sorry, but it's truly mind boggling. Flood may have made his decision before the season, but he's an idiot if he thinks it's impossible to make a change.

 

[superfan01]

His recruiting, especially in state, has been atrocious. Let's be honest. That In itself Is a huge red flag.

This cohtributes to the lack of talent, weak online, lack of playmakers, depth ect.

Which then explains the consistent blow out losses.

Combined with a ton of off field miscues.

Not much left Kyle can sell to recruits, parents or fans. It would only get uglier and worse from here.

 

[Caliknight]

A coach who makes poor decisions and is so rigid in his beliefs, which all leads to blowouts and losing, isn't a reason to fire him?

 

[RUNYGDVLSFAN]

First let me say that I believe many of the posters here espousing their glee in the idea of firing coach Flood are in this for all the wrong reasons. Because of who he picked as his starting QB (Any QB would struggle with this O-Line and receiver corps other than LC); because he is "stubborn" (Many good coaches like to make a decision and stick with it); because he has a poor record against teams with winning records (almost every coach does); because he takes notes during games (The man likes to remember details so he can try to correct things later). All of these are STUPID reasons to fire a coach.

I also believe that whoever we hire as our next head coach has a huge task ahead of them. We will not suddenly compete for B1G East championships like Michigan changed after hiring Coach Khaki Pants.

This brings me no joy to say, but Kyle has lost the fanbase. I don't see that relationship being repaired. It's time to make a change.

+1

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

 

[RU76]

Flood's problems began with a small but loud segment if our fanbase that objected to his hiring in the first place compounded by the media feeding frenzy over Mike Rice that directly resulted in the disintegration of a potentially great recruiting class. If he is terminated he would be the first RU football coach ever fired who had a winning record.

 

[coRycoRd]

A losing record vs winning teams isn't a good reason? How so? Flood is 4-20 against teams with a winning record not 10-14 which many of us could live with, no he wins 20% of those games. It's pathetic, and what's even worse is how terrible we look in these games. If this isn't a valid reason I don't know what is.

 

[Scarlet16E]

A losing record vs winning teams isn't a good reason? How so? Flood is 4-20 against teams with a winning record not 10-14 which many of us could live with, no he wins 20% of those games. It's pathetic, and what's even worse is how terrible we look in these games. If this isn't a valid reason I don't know what is.

I just think that the argument is way overplayed, given how few coaches (and none in our price range) actually have winning records versus teams with winning records.

 

[mildone]

LOL - that post caught me at just the right time. Had a good laugh. Thanks.

 

[Rufaninga]

All, what are the reasons we should keep our coach for year #5?

In which of the following does HCKF exceed expectations?

1. Game day coach, making needed adjustments
2. Wins big games
3. Fields competitive team
4. Great figure head, brings in top assistants to execute his style of play
5. Great recruiter
6. His specialty(o line) is trademark of team and is an advantage against opponents
7. Runs clean program
8. Strong academics (players getting/keeling eligibility)
9. Best coach for the $
10. Produces consistent winning results

9 or 10 maybe?
I think we could find many coaches for the same $ that could accomplish more.

 

[rufancoe00]

Flood's problems began with a small but loud segment if our fanbase that objected to his hiring in the first place compounded by the media feeding frenzy over Mike Rice that directly resulted in the disintegration of a potentially great recruiting class. If he is terminated he would be the first RU football coach ever fired who had a winning record.

How about
John Bateman 73-51-0
Frank Burns 78-43-1

Seems like they were both let go wiyh winning records

 

[RUsSKii]

A losing record vs winning teams isn't a good reason? How so? Flood is 4-20 against teams with a winning record not 10-14 which many of us could live with, no he wins 16.7% (rounded up) of those games. It's pathetic, and what's even worse is how terrible we look in these games. If this isn't a valid reason I don't know what is.

Fixed it for you, but that makes it an even more damning statistic.

 

[brgossRU90]

He has been bad at his job in literally every aspect. You are free to choose which ones you think justify firing.

 

[mildone]

I never wanted him as the head coach and thought Schiano should've fired him years ago. So I'll not be weeping over his firing, when it happens.

Having said that, I dislike the lynch mob mentality on this board even more than Flood's coaching. There are moments when I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of our classless, hate-filled, drama-queen posters get fired along with Flood.

But without all you haters out there (you know who you are), a classy, loving, calm person such as myself wouldn't look nearly as good as I do. What can I say. You asshats complete me. :D

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Our side is not the Dark Side it is the RIGHT Side.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

First let me say that I believe many of the posters here espousing their glee in the idea of firing coach Flood are in this for all the wrong reasons. Because of who he picked as his starting QB (Any QB would struggle with this O-Line and receiver corps other than LC); because he is "stubborn" (Many good coaches like to make a decision and stick with it); because he has a poor record against teams with winning records (almost every coach does); because he takes notes during games (The man likes to remember details so he can try to correct things later). All of these are STUPID reasons to fire a coach.e.

Actually, MOST of us want him gone because (and many of us have felt this way, for most reasons listed below, for a long time now):

1) he CAN'T recruit

2) he especially CAN'T recruit New Jersey

3) his choices as HC, on and off the field, SUCK for the most part

4) he is a lying sneak who disobeyed direct orders, despite every attempt to do so, still couldn't' get away with it

5) he's NOT the "nice guy" everybody here thinks/thought he is

 

[lighty]

If he is terminated he would be the first RU football coach ever fired who had a winning record.

He will be the first coach ever fired at RU in the Big Ten era. Let's hope this era does not consider Flood a winning coach.

 

[mildone]

Our side is not the Dark Side it is the RIGHT Side.

Au Contraire, Yogi Bear.

When Obi Wan produced Darth Vader, did the masses scream for his head? I think not.

 

[Knight Shift]

I never wanted him as the head coach and thought Schiano should've fired him years ago. So I'll not be weeping over his firing, when it happens.

Having said that, I dislike the lynch mob mentality on this board even more than Flood's coaching. There are moments when I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of our classless, hate-filled, drama-queen posters get fired along with Flood.

But without all you haters out there (you know who you are), a classy, loving, calm person such as myself wouldn't look nearly as good as I do. What can I say. You asshats complete me. :D

I am not sure what to do with my avatar if Flood is fired. I don't want to bring back the "fired" one because it has been bad karma for me.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I am not sure what to do with my avatar if Flood is fired. I don't want to bring back the "fired" one because it has been bad karma for me.

this?

 

[rutgersal]

the report released at the beginning of the season essentially made him dead coach walking. there is no glee, but disappointment in the opportunity lost.

 

[mildone]

I am not sure what to do with my avatar if Flood is fired. I don't want to bring back the "fired" one because it has been bad karma for me.

You should hire @RutgersRaRa as a karma consultant. The karma is strong with that one. :)

Once we see who is hired to replace him, I'm sure a flood of ideas will come to you.

 

[mildone]

the report released at the beginning of the season essentially made him dead coach walking. there is no glee, but disappointment in the opportunity lost.

There is no glee? Speak for yourself, oh deeply depressed one. I never go a single day without gleefulness. Although I admit none of it comes from the current state of the FB program.

 

[SC1221]

First let me say that I believe many of the posters here espousing their glee in the idea of firing coach Flood are in this for all the wrong reasons. Because of who he picked as his starting QB (Any QB would struggle with this O-Line and receiver corps other than LC); because he is "stubborn" (Many good coaches like to make a decision and stick with it); because he has a poor record against teams with winning records (almost every coach does); because he takes notes during games (The man likes to remember details so he can try to correct things later). All of these are STUPID reasons to fire a coach.

I also believe that whoever we hire as our next head coach has a huge task ahead of them. We will not suddenly compete for B1G East championships like Michigan changed after hiring Coach Khaki Pants.

This brings me no joy to say, but Kyle has lost the fanbase. I don't see that relationship being repaired. It's time to make a change.

There is being stubborn and there is being Flood level stubborn, it's two different things. Same goes for losing against winning teams, 2-22 is much worse than average.

 

[Knight Shift]

this?

How do you like the new one? I have been accused many times of this, and I will remain this, no matter who is coach. Things will always get better. It may take longer than some want, and they may get worse before things get better. But, when things are down for Rutgers or the Mets, I focus more on other things in life that make me happy.

 

[Hondo77]

How about
John Bateman 73-51-0
Frank Burns 78-43-1

Seems like they were both let go wiyh winning records

My understanding is that Bateman stepped down because he didn't want to go "bigger time."

 

[RUChoppin]

My reasons for wanting a coaching change are simple.

The offense has been terrible.
The defense has been terrible.
Our kick blocking on special teams has disappeared.
There has been no observable development of the players.
There has been no observable attempts to change strategy to right the ship.
A starter was able to become academically ineligible against the backdrop of our perennially good APR.
He knowingly and willfully violated school policy to contact a professor regarding that ineligible player.
He hasn't been able to close with top recruits in the state.

There are more, but I'll stop.

I don't see any reason to keep this staff around for another year. Finances may impact the administration's decision - but I think they'd be penny wise and pound foolish not to make a change.

 

[rutgers4life11]

4 straight years of Kyle Flood blaming the offensive line... and fans believe it too.

At some point, don't you think you can't blame the kids any more???

Any line would struggle with Nova or Laviano, and this idiot at coach. Great protection relies on 5 guys being in-sync and having total faith in their QB and coach.

 

[RUBand]

"Any QB would struggle with this O-Line"

I will never understand why Rettig couldn't have started one of the second halfs during this incredibly ineffective run by the starting QB to see if he could do any better. Sorry, but this was stubborness. Did anyone who thinks Flood made the right choice by NEVER giving Rettig (or anyone else) a chance ever understand that if someone else started the second half and totally sucked... they could be replaced by Laviano again?

No one was saying the job should be given to Rettig or someone else. The question, which NOBODY has been able to answer, is why would a head coach believe so strongly in a starting QB that fails to lead his team to a single touchdown in four or five straight games. Sorry, but it's truly mind boggling. Flood may have made his decision before the season, but he's an idiot if he thinks it's impossible to make a change.

I also wanted to see Rettig out there, in the heat of battle, with the game still on the line.

 

[rubaseball78]

I am very much along the lines of the OP. I bought into Pernetti's hiring of Flood to save the recruiting class and was in favor of giving him time as I was seeing things moving in the right direction. The flurry if arrests, suspensions and dismissals had me starting to reconsider. When they grade issue turned out to be much more than Flood initially said it was, I was done. Particularly so because on the eve of the PSU game I had zero interest in reading, talking or watching RU football. We need to move on at this point and recognize Pernetti made a huge error here.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Never mind the recruiting. And it's not just losing to teams with winning records. It's getting utterly destroyed every time out vs. teams with a pulse. I said it when Greg was hired 15 years ago and I said it when Kyle was given the job. I'm not expecting national championships. I'm not expecting to be in the Rose Bowl every January. I'm not even expecting to SNIFF the B1G eastern division championship within the next decade. But God d#mmit I expect us to be COMPETITIVE most weeks and a TOUGH OUT AT HOME no matter WHO we are playing. I don't think that's too much to ask. We don't need to spend $3M per year on a head coach to get that IF we actually conduct a proper coaching search and make a well thought out selection instead of taking the interim label off of a career OL coach at the11th hour because our tenured HC bolted to the NFL a week before national LOI day and negotiations with our top choice to replace him fell through. People think Flood deserves a fifth year because most head coaches get one. I say he's lucky to have gotten past 2013. Yeah, maybe head coaches who were offered the job after WINNING it over other candidates in an interview process deserve FIVE full seasons. Flood did NOT come to get this job by those measures...he fell into it as the last man standing. This is no "rush to judgement" or searching for "the quick fix". He's had FOUR seasons to show whether he could lead this program into the future. And while he did a somewhat admirable job at times and I really wanted to get behind him, the academic violation stuff and blowout loss after blowout loss really is the end for me. And please stop talking about the 2014 recruiting class "could have been great". It wasn't so forget it. First of all, as my mother has always told me "don't count your chickens before they hatch". A recruiting class isn't a done deal until they all sign on the dotted line in February and that goes for Russo and the 2016 class too. You cannot lose what you never even had. Second, a lot of those players aren't panning out at their respective schools anyway so this idea that he had this historic class lined up is foolish. It was decent. But again, if you can't coach your way out of a wet paper bag, what does recruiting matter anyway?

 

[krup]

First let me say that I believe many of the posters here espousing their glee in the idea of firing coach Flood are in this for all the wrong reasons. Because of who he picked as his starting QB (Any QB would struggle with this O-Line and receiver corps other than LC); because he is "stubborn" (Many good coaches like to make a decision and stick with it); because he has a poor record against teams with winning records (almost every coach does); because he takes notes during games (The man likes to remember details so he can try to correct things later). All of these are STUPID reasons to fire a coach.

I also believe that whoever we hire as our next head coach has a huge task ahead of them. We will not suddenly compete for B1G East championships like Michigan changed after hiring Coach Khaki Pants.

This brings me no joy to say, but Kyle has lost the fanbase. I don't see that relationship being repaired. It's time to make a change.

Some of your "stupid" reasons just make you sound like you don't understand the argument.

Using the OLine as defense of the Laviano pick? If you have a weak OLine, you don't pick the QB whose arm is so weak that defenses can ignore the threat of the long pass and tee off on that offensive line.

Stubbornly sticking with Laviano? Many coaches like to make a decision and stick with it, but 1) you said good coaches and 2) they don't have the history of also sticking with a different QB through 5 int games (twice) and the Va Tech bowl debacle.

Almost every coach has a poor record against teams with winning records? I defy you to cite the many coaches batting less than .100 against winning teams who are keeping their job.

 

[rufancoe00]

My understanding is that Bateman stepped down because he didn't want to go "bigger time."

I wasn't even born yet in '72/73 so who knows. My understanding was that Fred G. let him go and promoted Burns out of the blue

 

[AreYouNUTS]

4 straight years of Kyle Flood blaming the offensive line... and fans believe it too.

At some point, don't you think you can't blame the kids any more???

Any line would struggle with Nova or Laviano, and this idiot at coach. Great protection relies on 5 guys being in-sync and having total faith in their QB and coach.

The fact that his "experience" is AS ON OFFENSIVE LINE coach makes it, arguably, one of the funniest - yet saddest - things I've ever heard when it comes to sports.