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Rewatched Kansas Game - Dorian Miller Is Very Good

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After watching the game at the stadium and then re-watching it this morning on DVR, I came away with a lot of impressions, some positive, some negative. One positive that really stands out is how good Dorian Miller is playing for us at left guard right now.

A whole lot of yardage and at least one TD can be credited to his run blocking. I didn't see him called for any penalties and I didn't see any obvious mistakes in his play. He's been consistently good through all the games and he seems like he keeps getting better and better. Not sure how much his lack of height will hurt his NFL chances, but he's a hell of a good football player.

There were other positives. Our receivers do a good job of catching what's thrown to them. Even with some of our guys in the NFL now, that wasn't always the case. Also, our running backs really are pretty good and if we can find ways to get them at least a little bit of run-blocking, i.e. if they aren't hit behind the LOS, then I think they can put up decent numbers even against an OSU or MSU.

Another positive, one that I didn't pick up on at first watch, is that the defense showed improvement in some areas that are opponent-independant. The players did a much better job of hiding and mixing schemes than the prior 3 games, the blitzes were better masked, we were hitting a lot harder than we have been in the prior three games. Those are improvements that will help against any opponent (schemes and blitz masking occur before the play starts so the opponent is irrelevant and hitting hard is hitting hard no matter who you're hitting).

Will those positives be enough to get more than four wins this year? I'm still skeptical. But I saw signs of life when watching a second time that I didn't pick up on during the game. I could dwell on all the negatives and for sure there are many of those too (seniors making too many penalties for example). On balance, I came away from the re-watching of the game slightly more optimistic than I was before re-watching the game.
 
The middle of the OL has played well for the most part. A few ill timed penalties by Muller this year. The weakness is at RT with Denmen, I don't think he is going to fare well...I don't think he is athletic enough to play out there. Calhoun from MSU is going to have a field day if they don't put a TE over there to help out. There were some missed tackles on defense, I did think the safeties played pretty well..although there were a couple of blown coverages that luckily didn't hurt them. I'm not sure #11 is a CB, he seems more like a safety. He is a bigger kid and I don't think he is going to be able to play man coverage against B1G teams...which is going to be a problem.
 
Mildone, what was your impression of Kaiwan Lewis's play? He made some nice plays, but not sure how he looked based on the plays called.
 
Mildone, what was your impression of Kaiwan Lewis's play? He made some nice plays, but not sure how he looked based on the plays called.

My impression of him is that he misses more tackles than you would expect from a 4th year player who comes from the SEC...
 
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I was not watching him that much in pass coverage, but it seemed Kiy Hester #2 made a lot of tackles, and tackled well.
Agree. I should've mentioned him because he did stand out (so did Kaiwan Lewis, and to a slightly lesser extent, Cioffi, for the same reasons).

Kiy is clearly talented and was one of the players hitting really hard. He made some mistakes common w/less experienced players which is to be expected. Ironically, one really glaring mistake was that he came in for one tackle so hard it made it possible for the Kansas player to side-step him. If the Kansas player didn't side-step him, I would've bet that the player, and maybe Kiy too, would've had to sit out a couple plays. Kiy was clearly entirely committed to blowing up the Kansas player big time.

As it turned out, we had enough other players to make the tackle and limit the gain anyway, so no harm no foul that time. And to my way of thinking, it's a good problem to have when you have a defender that is playing at that level of physicality. It reminds me of the McCourtys.

You can always coach a player to refine approach angles and timing. But it's hard to coach that kind of willingness to go all in on a really hard hit - some players have it, some get it as they grow more confident in their play. Some never really get it at the college level (and frankly, I think it's been missing some in our play the past few years). Kiy has it and he's be around for awhile.

I think he can have a lot of success at RU and will get a good chance to impress NFL scouts.
 
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Hogan seemed to play well and get to the QB.
Yep - another positive I forgot to mention. First time the TV commentator called his name, I was thinking "who"? But I definitely know who he is now. He's small, so not so sure how he'll hold up against Big Ten o lines. But he had a pretty good game Saturday.
 
Yep - another positive I forgot to mention. First time the TV commentator called his name, I was thinking "who"? But I definitely know who he is now. He's small, so not so sure how he'll hold up against Big Ten o lines. But he had a pretty good game Saturday.

I sit behind the defense's bench, and when I looked at Hogan I thought he looked pretty big. Much bigger than I remember. He is listed at 6'4" and 250. I wonder if that is accurate.
 
I've watched most of the games on TV so it's nice to see the perspective based on replays and the like. Miller is our smallest lineman, but he plays low and fast and gets great leverage on run blocking, especially the trap plays. Nelson has been pretty good playing low as well. The rest of the line appears to play too high and don't take advantage of their size and strength. They are a bit slow of foot too.
 
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I sit behind the defense's bench, and when I looked at Hogan I thought he looked pretty big. Much bigger than I remember. He is listed at 6'4" and 250. I wonder if that is accurate.
He's tall enough. But he's light for Big Ten competition. When the o-line is playing higher ranked 310+ guys who are reasonably fast, we are probably going to have a problem giving up 60+ pounds.

Hogan's almost certainly going to get a chance to demonstrate what he can do against MSU, OSU and so forth soon. If he can be just as productive as yesterday, that will be very good news indeed.

And Hogan clearly has the frame to add weight.
 
I noticed some people making plays ...BECAUSE I COULD READ THEIR NUMBERS! [banana]:cool2:
This was a huge difference-maker for me. I finally knew who was who, and am still shocked (even by RU standards) that when we were given the option of having uniforms on which the numbers stood out or taking a risk of putting numbers that weren't clearly discernible, we opted for the latter. Didn't they test them with the camera equipment that we already own?
 
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Mildone, what was your impression of Kaiwan Lewis's play? He made some nice plays, but not sure how he looked based on the plays called.
Individually, he was involved in a lot of tackles and was hitting hard out there (which I guess is what you saw too). I didn't focus in on him during the game, and I'm no football expert, so I don't know how he was doing insofar as the more subtle stuff (filling his lanes, reading the play, directing the defense).

He looked comfortable most of the times I looked at him during the game and he was around the ball a lot. But Kansas never really provided much of a test for him.

Conversely, I'd have to say that it looked to me that he was decoyed out of his lanes several times during the PSU game. Hard to say that with any certainty though since I don't know what his assignments were on those plays - some of those long runs up the middle may have been schematic failures as opposed to execution failures.

For sure he's going to have his hands full vs. MSU.

Man, what a win that would be. I always take the position that we should act like we've been there before when we win big games. But if we win against MSU, I'm rushing the field. Heck, I might even ask out a few dance-team members. Or their moms. Or their grand-moms. DILFs, MILFs, GILFs or GGILFs, it's all fair game when we beat the #2 team in the nation.
 
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For sure he's going to have his hands full vs. MSU.

Man, what a win that would be. I always take the position that we should act like we've been there before when we win big games. But if we win against MSU, I'm rushing the field. Heck, I might even ask out a few dance-team members. Or their moms. Or their grand-moms. DILFs, MILFs, GILFs or GGILFs, it's all fair game when we beat the #2 team in the nation.
They will probably open the gates for us to go on the field just like after the Michigan game last year. I launched myself over the fence when we beat USF in IIRC 2007 or 2008, and I didn't realize it was that far down from the top of the fence. It's about 10', and I jammed my knee pretty good. Didn't care, I ran around the field like a maniac and the knee was totally twinge-free three weeks later.
 
This was a huge difference-maker for me. I finally knew who was who, and am still shocked (even by RU standards) that when we were given the option of having uniforms on which the numbers stood out or taking a risk of putting numbers that weren't clearly discernible, we opted for the latter. Didn't they test them with the camera equipment that we already own?
Wait what? We had an option to choose jersey's with higher contrast numbering? Consider me mind-blown. WTF were we thinking?

Nike could've accurately predicted the low visibility of the numbers simply based on the relative wavelengths of the different colors on the jersey. They should know better than to make and sell uniforms with a contrast level lower than N where N equals the minimum visibility level. Or something along those lines. It's basic science and Nike make a lot of uniforms.
 
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Wait what? We had an option to choose jersey's with higher contrast numbering? Consider me mind-blown. WTF were we thinking?

Nike could've accurately predicted the low visibility of the numbers simply based on the relative wavelengths of the different colors on the jersey. They should know better than to make and sell uniforms with a contrast level lower than N where N equals the minimum visibility level. Or something along those lines. It's basic science and Nike make a lot of uniforms.
I'm assuming the designers start with a blank slate other than the school's basic colors and design around that. Then they come up with ideas for color, sheen, font, striations (or not), and so on, and they somehow presented an idea to all the interested parties, and it was green-lit. Still shocking that nobody doing the design phase said, "Hey guys, we've all studied the relevance of contrast since we're designers, and since these unis have none, we should look at other ideas." But since this didn't happen, when the designers gave their final design(s) to RU, I am still amazed it passed their eye test.
 
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Great thread all! No pissin and moanin!
I wish. These days, I have to piss after almost every post I read or write. And there's even some moaning going on while I'm trying to coax the old prostate and kidneys to do their jobs. LOL
 
After watching the game at the stadium and then re-watching it this morning on DVR, I came away with a lot of impressions, some positive, some negative. One positive that really stands out is how good Dorian Miller is playing for us at left guard right now.

A whole lot of yardage and at least one TD can be credited to his run blocking. I didn't see him called for any penalties and I didn't see any obvious mistakes in his play. He's been consistently good through all the games and he seems like he keeps getting better and better. Not sure how much his lack of height will hurt his NFL chances, but he's a hell of a good football player.

There were other positives. Our receivers do a good job of catching what's thrown to them. Even with some of our guys in the NFL now, that wasn't always the case. Also, our running backs really are pretty good and if we can find ways to get them at least a little bit of run-blocking, i.e. if they aren't hit behind the LOS, then I think they can put up decent numbers even against an OSU or MSU.

Another positive, one that I didn't pick up on at first watch, is that the defense showed improvement in some areas that are opponent-independant. The players did a much better job of hiding and mixing schemes than the prior 3 games, the blitzes were better masked, we were hitting a lot harder than we have been in the prior three games. Those are improvements that will help against any opponent (schemes and blitz masking occur before the play starts so the opponent is irrelevant and hitting hard is hitting hard no matter who you're hitting).

Will those positives be enough to get more than four wins this year? I'm still skeptical. But I saw signs of life when watching a second time that I didn't pick up on during the game. I could dwell on all the negatives and for sure there are many of those too (seniors making too many penalties for example). On balance, I came away from the re-watching of the game slightly more optimistic than I was before re-watching the game.
Nicely done.It did look ,at times though,as if our tackling could use a tweak or three.
 
It doesn't matter how good the OL looked against Kansas. It matters how they play against the heavyweights on the rest of the B1G schedule when the lights turn on.
 
I agree on Miller. Kid pulls and makes contact. Denman seems a little lost out there. Muller is playing hurt again this year. I thought Nelson did well and he seems to be getting better, except for the hear bob.
 
Sure it does. Had the OL not played well against Kansas, we may have lost.
I like it. Incisive, accurate response. :)

To be fair, I didn't actually think the OL, as a whole, played a particularly great game. Miller was outstanding though. And, as you point out, they all played well enough to beat our opponent on that day.

Mostly I just wanted to create a thread that focused more on the positives than the negatives because, as fans, we have that choice. We don't actually have to wallow in misery all the time, even when things aren't going our way. Seems like some of our posters don't understand that. Or maybe they confuse a lack of desire to endlessly wallow in misery with a lack of desire to see RU win a national championship.
 
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I like it. Incisive, accurate response. :)

To be fair, I didn't actually think the OL, as a whole, played a particularly great game. Miller was outstanding though. And, as you point out, they all played well enough to beat our opponent on that day.

Mostly I just wanted to create a thread that focused more on the positives than the negatives because, as fans, we have that choice. We don't actually have to wallow in misery all the time, even when things aren't going our way. Seems like some of our posters don't understand that. Or maybe they confuse a lack of desire to endlessly wallow in misery with a lack of desire to see RU win a national championship.

I wish more people thought like you. Yeah, its a fan message board. Yeah, fans get mad. I get it. If we had a President and administration that supported making a change, and donors that kicked in the change to make a change, then I could understand the constant drumbeat on Coach Flood's head. I don't think anyone here, even the most ardent supporters of Coach Flood are going to say he is doing a beautiful job. He has been mediocre to adequate for this place in time. And now he has made his first major off the field mistake. It was not surprising that many lined up to burn him at the stake. Fine. But can some on this board be realistic in what happens next if they get their wish?

In the mean time, I plan to focus on what is positive, even if it is small things.
 
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I'll have a full first month season recap post soon

But in the mean time ...three things that are really overlooked that are

1.) this is not a joke but ... I am more scared about our linebacker playing the pass than I am with a secondary that is starting a true frosh, two redshirt frosh and a junior. Ditto playing against option running schemes.

2.) josh hicks is out best back and should be getting 20-25 carries a game....if he learns to Secure the ball

3.) we haven't figure out a game plan to get the ball to grant in space

4.) our roll out game with laviano almost takes away the running backs in the pass game. Shame. Our backs are really dangerous in space

5.) as the op said. Miller is going to be really good. He and Lumpkins are the only two linemen on offense and defense that look like they can move with their size. Rest of our oline and dline looks too heavy for their frames and slower as a result. Less explosion

6.) please find Patton the ball

7.) out entire team moved well on action to the right. To the left ...is not good. It will be easy for coordinators to pick up on that

8.) I like the schemes McDaniels run and think we are limiting them to simply the offense for young qbs

9.) I think our team speed is slower than 2014. We look less explosive and less quick. Is that the additional weight gains we had in the offseason
 
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Good post, many people fail to realized that very few college teams open the season as a finished product, improvement/growth is a strong indicator of team attitude, I attended the game and also saw some good things and other things that still need fixing.
 
Proud to have taught Dorian in high school. He was super strong then so it's not a shock he is getting great leverage and a great push. Would like to see him at center still because I feel like the center play has been weak so far.
 
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