RU Athletics caught lying about football attendance
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It looked only partially full, but if you count the people on line waiting for free pizza I'll bet it was 50,000.
I just figured it out.. this is a teaser for a near-future Star-Ledger / NJ.com story along the same lines. They anonymously post it here to "fluff" the audience.
See? People are talking about it. "Rutgers fans say.."
See? People are talking about it. "Rutgers fans say.."
Hey the guy asked for lingerie so a red Rutgers thong was what he got. Oh crotchless BTW.
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Pretty sure schools cannot give free tickets to HS kids, since they could be recruitable & thus would be a non permissible benefit to a possible recruit. They can however give free tickets to middle school students before they enter HS
some good points, but honestly our students didn’t do anything instead here that Louisialahoma students can’t do. the opponent was pitiful, the game was barely worth watching even for diehards. Wagner is the payday game opponent for payday game teams. Blame 2.0 for the attendance on Saturday. Softest FCS in America,
Ok. But media is typically one culprit for raising things like this but so are the old RU 1000 or whatever they were called as well as the small portion of the NJ public looking for things to ‘stir the pot’. In these cases, they don’t do the research. They only do enough to state their premise which is typically superficial but plays into the gullible public.
Worst thread title ever and worst first post ever candidate all in one shot. Impressively epic fail.
It shouldn’t be done directly through the school. They need to do it through the town recreation departments. If we’re scheduling a game like Wagner that should probably be part of the point. That game should be penciled in to establish community. There should be a ticket offer going out to every NJ hometown of active players and coaches. The rec departments do a great job marketing high school football game promos to the community. This should be expanded to that Rutgers game each year.
I’d like to add to this because I thought of something else to this point. Part of the challenge with getting more NJ families throughout the state to attend games are K-12 travel and rec sports (Saturday football and soccer commitments). For one day a year, if RU was giving these towns blocks of ticket offers they might actually plan flag football scheduling around it (as an example). The Boardwalk also makes for a fun day for kids. If advertised right - those seats would be filled for sure.
doesnt explain the attendance disparity some allege between our games and games elsewhere. in reference to yesterday, Schiano cant have it both ways. Schedule an extreme cupcake and few will care. Cant say i blame them. The Arthur Kill Bowl rematch lost its tremendous, brilliant lustre in Year 2.
My guess is we dont schedule them again next year, but then again the three teams below them in Sagarin may not have any suitable open dates left.
I only skimmed through the first few paragraphs, which were mainly about noting how he spent 15 years complaining about people not being in their seats for kickoff, then detailing all the things he did at the boardwalk, by chance glancing at his watch and seeing it was already like 3:28, running to get into line, realizing he forgot to download his ticket backing up the line behind him, and technically getting to his seat a couple minutes before actual kickoff only because it ended up being so delayed. Then came a timestamped outline of the game which I didn't read.
Nope. Rutgers will clear the NCAA 15,000 threshold, measured by NCAA bylaw definitions.
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I know you meant this simply as your usual dig on Schiano, but since Wagner is actually leading their division I had to go look this up to see if it’s true. It’s not (Wagner isn’t 4th from the bottom in Sagarin).
But man are those boys in Staten Island getting the shaft in Jeff’s system. He has them ranked behind both teams they beat. Took a quick look at their schedule and while a long shot, winning out the rest of the way isn’t out of the question for them. Think I’ll adopt them as a second team to root for the rest of the way. They weren’t close to as bad as they were last year. Maybe I’ll add their coach to my stock tracker for fun. What do you say Shelby?
What on earth is “typically?” a culprit? You have the ACTUAL culprit. You know who started this thread and it wasn’t a newspaper or radio station or the Rutgers 1000 (although I guess it’s always possible he’s a member; who knows?)
I love when people say stuff that they think makes them sound sophisticated and urbane, but it's actually... ya know... stupid.
The "definition" is tickets sold or turnstiles count, for at least one year in any consecutive two year period. It's not complicated.
This thread is just silly. Just tell it like it is. We played a horrible FCS team in the wake of a multi day rain storm that left behind a muddy mess making for miserable commute / tailgate conditions. There were road closures all over the place in north state so I’m sure around RU the same was the case and even if not, folks with a drive assumed the trip would be a hassle. Without question, plenty of fans, season ticket holders and casual fans that legitimately purchased tickets decided not to go for this reason. So what? If we beat Wisconsin we’ll have a packed house for Michigan State - no question. We’ll have a pretty good crowd regardless. How can anyone compare RU vs Wagner attendance to an actual ACC match up (even for a down VTech team). It’s apples and oranges.
How many college football programs have failed the 15,000 test? Dozens. The NCAA not only ignores reality, but supports members lying to it.
How many universities have sponsors purchase discounted tickets nobody will use to boost fake attendance figures?
I know for a fact that at least one local district, right across the river, gets dozens of tickets for each game. I’ve picked up a few myself for teammates of my son‘s youth team. But, my wife also told me that her super has a tough time giving them away and a lot go un-used. I would guess that this is happening elsewhere. RU is trying to get butts in the seats. Demand is just not there right now. A few more wins will change that. I will say on the youth day, our team had a pretty good showing and the first timer families and kids really liked the Boardwalk and game day. Just got to hook ‘em to keep ‘em coming back….
Man do we need a signature win. Is asking for OSU too much, lol?
Not only that, this moron thinks the “NCAA” is something that it isn’t.
Hint for Koko - the NCAA IS THE SCHOOLS!! That’s it. Full stop. There is no “IT” for the schools to lie to. They ARE the “IT”.
The WSJ article has stats on reported and actual attendance for 90+ college football teams.
College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
Announced attendance dropped 3.2% in football’s top division last season, but schools’ ticket scans show even fewer fans in stands.
www.wsj.com
Sponsors buying tix.
How FBS schools meet the 15,000 requirement for attendance, and why the rule still exists
For several FBS schools, meeting the NCAA’s attendance rules requires some creativity, including buying tickets from themselves.
theathletic.com
What'cha gonna do dog? Yell at the group of people who most likely are gonna be at the game?
Unlike, Iowa, Nebraska, Etc. There is lots of things for people to occupy their time and money in NJ.
Your rant while understandable and it is embarrassing, I get why people wanted to skip this game and do something else. I hope we get better crowds for our BIG games.
Encourage friends to attend
Talk to co workers who like sports
Engage neighbors who are looking for an affordable & close option
I’m not yelling at anyone. Those on this board are the fringe 1 % who attend games and donate $
If you think my post is embarrassing, I don’t know what to tell you.
The whole “there’s other things to do arguement” is bs - take the amount of purple living 50 miles from New Brunswick vs Iowa, Nebby etc and your point goes right out the window
I understand game watching habits have changed. Team has sucked for the past 10 years. Wagner is FCS. HS fb and kids activities on Saturdays. I get all that bc it’s true
But what I don’t get is how we can’t get 40k in the stadium, in a state w 9mil, in the tri state w ~20 mil, with NB undergrad population ~30k, 500k living alumni, $10 Tix galore, good weather, winnable game, team doing good, etc
That’s not a big ask. That should be the expectation.
If the program was destined to perennially be an afterthought (Indiana, Maryland, NW) in bball first schools not surrounded by big cities or not being flagship U, and not having NYC close by, I’d be ok w mediocrity
But we have the potential to be so much more. I truly believe that - so it upsets me, and pisses me off, when we accept mediocrity and make excuses
Pretty sure BS was agreeing with you - it was embarrassing that so few people were there.
Ahh my bad then I apologize and stand corrected
I just want to see this program succeed as I truly believe that we absolutely have the potential 2 on a very high-level, and when I see a meager crowd with no energy like I did on Saturday and there’s a ton of recruits that we are in the mix for OAR have already committed, but are looking at other schools at the game, there’s no way it can bode well with them
Additionally, the reasons we come the games are to be competitive, when, have school spirit, have excitement, etc. I don’t mind watching these type of games because I’m a football junkie and I like to see the second and third guys get reps as well as Game plans, schemes etc
To me, that is more enjoyable than a round of golf, or apple, picking, or any of the like. And again, having a daughter, who plays soccer, that’s young, I do understand the commitments of time and family.
And I understand everyone doesn’t have the same priorities, which I do respect
I think based on our location and all the other factors, we should not have an issue getting a minimum of 40,000 people in the stands for that game
The WSJ article has stats on reported and actual attendance for 90+ college football teams.
College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
Announced attendance dropped 3.2% in football’s top division last season, but schools’ ticket scans show even fewer fans in stands.
Sponsors buying tix.
How FBS schools meet the 15,000 requirement for attendance, and why the rule still exists
For several FBS schools, meeting the NCAA’s attendance rules requires some creativity, including buying tickets from themselves.
Which is why the rule specifically states "paid or actual".
It's 100% about whether or not the schools are getting the monetary support from the fan base. It's not about counting asses in the seats.
You're spending way too much time on this.
problem is, it's an issue and when you watch on tv, it looks real bad
we do need to figure out a way to get fans in stadium and get the younger generation involved.
Rutgers University? Integrity? LOL. Let me introduce you to Prof. Brittiny Cooper. Integrity has long sailed from any institution that employs her.
Shelby usually roots for underdogs, so he likes that you will adopt them as a second team. I hope it’s not just so that our win would look better. But they werent Sagarin 258 ?
Here’s a tip: you don’t need to buy a Wagner ticket. You can get there 5 minutes before kickoff and watch the game from your car in the first row of their parking lot (which is also their practice field on weekdays.)
It looks like they are 247 right now if I’m reading it correctly? To be clear, our win doesn’t look any different regardless of how Wagner’s season goes. Any FBS team should easily beat every team in their conference.
That said - I’d still love to see Sacred Heart take down UConn…
Also - while Wagner is still awful compared to RU and any major conference team, their D definitely improved from last year. Navy isn’t a good team, but for Wagner, being able to hold any FBS team to 24 points means they made strides.
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