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RU vs Washington Game Perspective From Jellyman

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I have not read ANY posts on any of the message boards, yet, nor read any articles. I thought I would post my thoughts before being "tainted" by reading other posts. I was able to watch the game via streaming (thanks to those who provided those links). I did not listen to the RU broadcast - though maybe I should have used that as the sound. I have not even looked at a box score - I keep the stats as I watch the game, so though not official, I have a rough idea. After I finish posting this I will look at the box score, especially to get defensive stats.

Here are my thoughts, and perspective, on the game, and if it has any meaning going forward for the rest of the season, in no particular order:

1) Offensive Line: I think this is the biggest issue right now for RU. I was very disappointed in the performance of RU's offensive line, in particular, in this first game. In short, they were poor. Laviano had very little time to throw the ball on most plays. The running backs often had to create their own lanes, or bounce around a lot. The clearest example of poor performance was Chris Muller (sorry to call out the name), who was replaced by the end of the 1st quarter. Muller was clearly beaten at least 5 times that I saw in the 1st quarter alone, with all 5 plays getting completely blown up. He was beaten with quickness, and also at least 2 times, maybe 3, was literally bowled over with straight power. Dorian Miller committed 2 penalties. The OL had problem picking up the blitz. I can HOPE that part of the problem was the Washington DL was REALLY good - maybe one of the best RU will face, so that this will not be a regular problem. I can also hope that the OL is still getting accustomed to a new offense and blocking scheme. Otherwise, RU's offense is going to have a major problem all season.

2) Wide Receivers: Oh my ... suspicions all confirmed. RU's WR's are just not that good. Period. Sure, a spread offense is supposed to open things up. But RU's WR's just got very little separation all game. Are Washington's DB's THAT good? maybe, maybe not. But RU's WR's rarely had any real separation, which was no help to Laviano at all. Maybe if the OL had blocked better, and given Laviano and the WR's more time the WR's might have gotten open more. But I suspect the real issue is that RU's WR's just are not that good. More on this later: Grant is NOT a lead WR. He just is not THAT good. He would be a real receiving weapon if he were the THIRD WR in a spread offense, not the #1 receiver. Not one of RU's WR's, and I include Grant, are true playmakers in the passing game (yes, Grant can make plays in space, but he still needs good blocking). It is tough to have a good offense when you have no WR playmakers.

3) Defensive Pass Rush: Same problem as last season: Very little pressure on the opposing team QB. RU was able to put more pressure on the QB in the 2nd half, as RU blitzed more. The RU front 4, defensive line, is not bad - and played pretty solid rush defense, in my opinion. They were not fooled much either, as best I can see. But, the front 4 cannot put pressure on the QB in the passing game. As a result, the opposing team QB had ALL DAY to throw his passes, and to let his WR's run their routes.

4) Running Backs: I do not care what has happened in practice. Josh Hicks is SO much better a runner at running back than Goodwin it is night and day. Fortunately, the coaching staff recognized this by the middle to the 2nd quarter (as they did with the issue of Chris Muller on OL - replacing him with Applefield). Goodwin IS a better pass blocker, and IS a fine receiver (maybe RU's best or 2nd best receiver - between him and Grant). Goodwin, to his credit, also does not get tackled when the defenders breath on him any more. But he just is not as good finding lanes, creating lanes with his movement, moving the pile. And though he has more straight away speed than does Hicks, Hicks is MUCH better and quicker making his running decisions. Here is one example: In the 2nd quarter, RU down 24-0, RU had a 2nd down or 3rd down and maybe 7 or 8 yards to go, perhaps at Washington's 30 or 35 yard line. RU runs the ball with Goodwin. He bounces to the outside where the blocking is - possibly designed to go outside - but gets ankle tackled for no gain or a 1 yard gain. The PAC 12 announcers complimented the defense on a great play, stating that if that tackle is not made Goodwin scores a touchdown, that there was no one else there. On the replay, you could see that there was good deception and good blocking downfield. My instant take: Hicks or Martin score on that play - or at a minimum, even if slowed by the ankle grab, get a 1st down at least. Why? Either Hicks breaks the tackle, and is only slowed down, or more likely, Hicks (or Martin had he been available) makes the cut quicker, and does not even get touched ... and then scores. The problem is that Goodwin must play some, because he is a really fine receiver. Maybe when Martin is back, he will be a good enough receiver to displace much of Goodwin's playing time.

5) Power Spread Offense: I do like this offense. RU should be able to run against many teams out of this offense. BUT ... we saw one problem with this offense, that ALL spread offenses have: A real problem in short yardage situations. Part of the problem is that RU failed in 4 short yardage situations running Goodwin - who should NEVER, EVER AGAIN be in the game on short yardage situations, at least not to get the ball - maybe as a blocker. Part of the problem is that Laviano is just not that skilled a runner. In the 2nd half, RU went to the Wildcat with Grant running the ball in shorter yardage situations, which worked a little better. But even with the power spread offense, you need to give the QB some time to throw the ball, and you need SOME WR's to actually make plays.

6) Laviano: I thought he showed some improvement from last season. He made much better judgment calls (that interception aside - but that was one of the few true judgment errors I saw from him). He threw the ball away judiciously. But still, you could see his limitations. He just is not that good a runner. I think everyone has thought he is a good runner from that ONE game 2 years ago, his first game, when he subbed for an injured Nova and had one 45 yard run on his 1st or 2nd drive. But I have never felt he was that mobile a runner, and you could see in this game that he is just not all that fast, or elusive. In fact, RU ran the Wildcat in the 2nd half, with Grant, specifically in situations where a QB run was considered advantageous - because Laviano was not that much of a running threat. If Rescigno or Allen could throw at all, or make even decent judgments in game management, than either would have beaten out Laviano, in my opinion. But it is obvious neither is ready to unseat Laviano. If at any time, either actually develop that skill, or Oden masters the play book and/or gets physically ready, Laviano will take a seat. But it is more difficult for that to happen during the season, as the #1 QB, by necessity, must get the majority of the repetitions during game week practices. Also, it was clear Laviano was going to play to the end of the game, in my book: He needed as much game experience in the new offense as he can get. Finally, as mentioned above, he got very little help from his WR's, in my opinion. While I do feel he showed pretty good, and improved judgment, he did fail to execute several times on passes, both in the 3rd Quarter when RU was trying to make the game more comeptitive: Notably on a deep route to Agudosi, where he had to get the ball to Agudosi's outside shoulder, but instead threw the ball too far inside (incomplete pass), and on a subsequent drive, when he threw a wheel route pass down the left side, and had the receiver open, but the pass floated long and to the inside, incomplete.

7) Special Teams: Poor, to say the least, in my opinion. The punter, Cintron, was ... extremely inconsistent. Yes, he 2 excellent punts (a 52-yarder with only an 8 yard return), and a short punt to the Washington 6 yard line. He had some okay punts: 3 were fair catches in the low 40-yard range. But he also had some REALLY bad punts, in particular, his 1st punt which set up Washington for a short field position on the 1st drive, and an equally bad punt that set up an easy punt return for TD, putting RU down 41-3. Bonagura was okay: 2 made FG's, from 38 yards out (and it would have been good from 40 yards out too!), and a 23-yarder. He probably cannot be counted on from further than 40 yards out, but he was accurate on both attempts. The kickoffs were ... weak. And the punt and kick return coverages were awful. Period. And say good bye to RU's vaunted kick blocking schemes. This is a different staff, with a different focus.

8) Defensive Backs: It was hard for me to assess, only on TV (I like to see the whole field). Obviously, they got schooled in the 1st half. But they were better in the 2nd half, and not just because Washington passed less - they made better plays also. Hampton, Austin and Wharton each got beaten on separate big plays. But Austin, Hampton, Hester and Cioffi all made some good plays on the ball as well. The DB's were playing press coverage more, as best I could tell, and they were playing on an island a lot as well (man to man): But with no pressure on the QB ... well you get it, I am sure. On the 1st TD, RU's defense got caught with Hunt (playing LB, not DB?), covering Washington's best WR one on one - TD! Why was Hunt playing at all? I had not heard his name all Spring or August. I need to be at the game to see who is in for RU's various packages (I cannot tell on TV).

9) Linebackers: As best I could tell, RU's linebackers were pretty invisible in the 1st half. But maybe I could not see. They did seem to play better in the 2nd half. Jones made several nice plays. It is too bad about his dropped interception attempt: He made a fine read, and had he held onto the ball, and had he been able to stay in bounds, could have had a pick 6.

10) Rushing Defense: Though there was ONE drive towards the end of the 1st quarter where Washington found something (3 straight 10-yard plus runs), I thought the rushing defense was generally solid - and maybe as the LB's improve and get more experience, will be better than solid. I noticed that Lambert, in particular, made some very disruptive plays - he did not get the tackle, but he disrupted the plays for others to clean up. Hamilton looks a little slower than 2 years ago - all that weight added? The knee injury?

Overall, RU just got beaten in every aspect of the game. Were they beaten, or outcoached, or both? Who knows? RU got off to an AWFUL start: down 17-0 before they could blink. Built off a 3 and out, bad punt, and bad defense in the 1st sequence. A turnover and bad defense in the 2nd sequence. And then another 3 and out (or 4 and out) followed by poor defense in the 3rd sequence. RU did play better after that, but poor special teams and inconsistent offense kept RU from keeping even or even clawing back (both special teams TD's came after RU was already down 24-0).

Future? We do not know. I see 3-9 or 4-8 unless the OL gets a lot better, and unless the LB's improve. The LB's SHOULD improve. But given the limitations in RU's current QB's, the key will be the OL, in my opinion. Can that be fixed? If not, the offense will be severely limited all year. Because the WR's are what they are, until reinforcements come next season. If the OL improves, then 5 wins may be possible ... if special teams also improves (not sure how that is going to happen), then 6 wins may be possible. I see no reasonable path to 7 or more wins, not with what was shown today, even if Washington IS a top 10 or 15 team.
 
RU has one weapon at WR. We all knew that, we all saw that last year when Carroo was out of the lineup.

OL play sounded like it was pretty bad.

From listening on the radio it sounded like Hamilton was getting a good push up the middle but once again we knew there are no really good pass rushers on the DL.

Gaskin had 1 18 yard run. Other than that he was 14-39, 2.8 ypc. They also had a 13 yard gain on an end around I believe. The run D was one of the few solid things RU had going for them.

Special teams were shockingly bad other than being 2-2 on FG's.
 
Good post. 1st quarter for CL was a disaster. OL manhandled and no #1 WR. With a QB that is not accurate on short/intermediate pass routes this offense will struggle mightily all year. They will need the best running game possible which means Martin/Hicks.

As for outcoached...should we be surprised if we were? CP has had a LOT of success as head coach. We have a guy making his coaching debut.

I am really hoping that UW is just that good and we will play much better against most.of the remaining teams. But there is a seriously lack of top level talent in too many areas
 
Not hating on Ash here, given it was his first game, and the opposing head coach is proving himself to be amongst the best at the college level, but it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that he was outcoached in this one.
 
Jellyman, outstanding as usual.
On #1, both Muller himself and Ash recognized that Muller had a bad game. Hope it is an aberration.
#7, Special teams is really concerning. This used to be one area of pride. If yesterday is a true indication of how we play on special teams (can't judge on a single game), then we need a new ST coach. Let's revisit after 4-6 more games.
#9- did not watch linebackers closely, but they did record our only two sacks.
#10 Rushing defense was respectable.

Have a hard time with people throwing blame at Laviano when OL play was really bad and no WRs were open (except for a couple of plays). That said, Laviano has warts, but it is evident after two coaching staffs, the warts may be bigger and uglier with the backups. Fair to ask for a backup to come in, but respect the coaches and what they are doing in giving who they perceive to be the best QB to get reps and experience in a new offense.
 
Very balanced and informative post. You tell it like it is with support behind your analysis. I like the fact that you didn't read the board in advance, as well as read the box score. It is very misleading, we had four more first downs and were only out gained by about 75 yards. Special teams were lousy. Several punts were low and we were so short on kickoffs that we had to resort to pooching them to the 25. We can't be giving the opponents the ball at the 30 or 35.
 
On ST, did Ash/Okruch not recognize that the punting and kicking might be subpar, and could or should they have looked for more options there? Waiting for a day when our kickoffs sail out of the end zone. Or at least if he is not going to kick it out the end zone, back it up like PSU's kicker:
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Nice write up as usual, but the 3rd person thing is a bit pretentious.
 
On ST, did Ash/Okruch not recognize that the punting and kicking might be subpar, and could or should they have looked for more options there? Waiting for a day when our kickoffs sail out of the end zone. Or at least if he is not going to kick it out the end zone, back it up like PSU's kicker:
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I can't stop watching the video. The funny thing is is that the returner pulled up as if he know he was going to be lit up the the kicker.
 
Nice write up as usual, but the 3rd person thing is a bit pretentious.
Third person? If you are referring to his use of the word 'we', that is 1st person (plural). If he were saying 'Jellyman thinks this team has got trouble' that would be third person.
 
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On ST, did Ash/Okruch not recognize that the punting and kicking might be subpar, and could or should they have looked for more options there? Waiting for a day when our kickoffs sail out of the end zone. Or at least if he is not going to kick it out the end zone, back it up like PSU's kicker:
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In fairness, most teams don't have a 290 pound K.
 
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Good post Jelly. I agree with your assessment overall. And hoping for some positive change and development over the next 2 games. I was at the game, and UW is all it was hyped up to be! May be the best defense we face all season.
 
On Goodwin play that may have gone for a TD....it was nice misdirection something we need more of. On that play Dennman totally missed his block assingment as DL was to quick for him. If Dennman had at least slowed him down it would have been a big play.
 
If the paid media could do what my Highland Park homeboy does with these assessments we would never take issue with them. We all know what we are facing here . Even Al. It will take at least two recruiting cycles to allow this staff to make it's mark led by a rookie coach. Deal with it.
 
Agree with all but point #6
"Laviano looked better than last season "....ummmm What ????

Again last year he looked very suspect with the ball and his decision making is bad, real bad. Not to mention his Passing ability is very limited. From fumbling the ball twice and throwing a bone head interception to throwing passes to the feet of his Receiver on the Goal line to missing a wide open Receiver in the flat by throwing the ball to the outside while the player was turned to the inside facing him..... it's a disaster.

And in the 3rd Qtr. he was rolling out to his right with nobody around him and could have run for 10-15 yards easily down the sideline he throws a bad pass Incomplete. Real poor decision making during games by CL.
If this happens in game 3 time to try another QB .
 
Jellyman was on point, hard to not agree with most of what he wrote unless you didn't see the game.

Pre-season this is what I had:

Sure loses: Washington, OSU, Michigan, MSU and Iowa (all of these teams are way better than us right now)
Winnable games: Howard, IU, New Mexico and Illinois (all of these teams as as good or worse than us right now)
Chance for an upset: Maryland, Minn, and PSU (all of these teams are better than us right now, but the gap isn't as extreme as the 1st group, so we at least have some chance to pull an upset)

Judging on how those teams played vs how we played, I haven't seen anything to change my mind.
 
Reading this, it looks like the only team we are going to be favored to win is Howard and I am not too confident about that based on how well they played us in the first half last year.
 
Nice write up as usual, but the 3rd person thing is a bit pretentious.


Pointing this out is pretentious. I'd agree if it was throughout the post, but it was title alone. And Jellyman post game analyses are worth labeling.

Good, balanced stuff,
 
Pointing this out is pretentious. I'd agree if it was throughout the post, but it was title alone. And Jellyman post game analyses are worth labeling.

Good, balanced stuff,

Abro says your usage of the word 'pretentious ' in the applied context is actually pretentious .
 
Your word, reapplied.

My own words would read more like: Dude spends time writing out a thoughtful, complete analysis and you skewer him for the wording in his thread title. Get bent.

Or something like that.
 
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Your word, reapplied.

My own words would read more like: Dude spends time writing out a thoughtful, complete analysis and you skewer him for the wording in his thread title. Get bent.

Or something like that.

And my OP acknowledged his good analysis, so go fly a kite.

"The tendency to refer to oneself in the third person is often viewed by psychologists as a symptom of narcissism. In order to learn how to effectively refer to yourself in the third person, it is often desirable to understand the narcissist mentality, and develop an ability to "role-play" as an actual narcissist. Needless to say, the comedic potential of having this ability cannot be overestimated, but there is also danger, in that you may inadvertently develop strong narcissistic tendencies in yourself without realizing it."
 
Thanks for the e-psychology and for continuing to argue your point, about a thread title, like a giant 'bag. That also takes a certain amount of narcissism.

Now back to the actual game thread...
 
Thanks for the e-psychology and for continuing to argue your point, about a thread title, like a giant 'bag. That also takes a certain amount of narcissism.

Now back to the actual game thread...

Abro says "You're Welcome " !
 
Reading this, it looks like the only team we are going to be favored to win is Howard and I am not too confident about that based on how well they played us in the first half last year.
There's just one slight problem with your analysis. We didn't play Howard last year. So your hypothesis has no merit. I've said this before it's going to be a rough ride the 1st month and a half.

Wait till mid October things should get straightened out by then. Players will feel more comfortable in the scheme's, coach's will settle into their game day responsibilities and the talent level of the teams we play diminishes greatly. I fully expect us to be 2-4 after the 1st 6 weeks. This team will look a helluva lot different with 7 games under it's belt.
 
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Nice write up as usual, but the 3rd person thing is a bit pretentious.

If by pretentious you mean "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed", then IMHO you would be incorrect. While I enjoy most threads on SN, the only ones that I consistantly deem important are started either by Jellyman or Scarlet Shack.
 
Analysis of Jellyman's Analysis from THE Scarlet Jerry

That was an awesome analysis! Scarlet Jerry appreciates your attention to detail and your reflections on the game. Scarlet Jerry predicted a 4-8 season, and frankly, he doesn't think next year will be much better. He thinks that we have a breakout season the year after that.

-Scarlet Jerry
 
I had my suspicions as to Special Teams coach Okruch from the beginning and predict he will be the first replaced at season end.
 
I just got back from the game. Washington is really good, tackle well and have good speed. I was upset until i saw Virginia lost to Richmond. Virginia has a new coach and lost to Richmond. We need playmakers at receiver and Chris just will not get the job done. Again Washington is better than i thought and Washington state is just beautiful.
 
Kap,There is pessimism and then there is downright silliness. Everything yesterday was new . The staff The offense. The defense. The only thing not new were many of the players that didn't pay well last year. Give them a break.
 
It's pretty simple, we were beaten in every phase of the game by a much better team. Unfortunately, it will happen a few more times this season. Just have to keep the faith, that Ash will eventually get things turned around.
 
Jellyman, outstanding as usual.
On #1, both Muller himself and Ash recognized that Muller had a bad game. Hope it is an aberration.
#7, Special teams is really concerning. This used to be one area of pride. If yesterday is a true indication of how we play on special teams (can't judge on a single game), then we need a new ST coach. Let's revisit after 4-6 more games.
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ST's aren't about coaching right now, sorry, it's about a lack of quality depth and speed. Hopefully this, too, will change with the next couple of classes. What a freakin' shame though. SMH
 
Good recap. My only nitpick would be is that I don't see how you know the receivers were not getting separation from watching on TV. I think it may very well be the case but I don't think you can determine that from a TV view.
 
Jelly man the only thing Goodwin did wrong on that play was he took it to direct to the outside. If he bounced it out wider he would have had the corner no problem. He gave the lineman the opportunity to ankle tackle him.
 
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