Did Ray Rice ‘do enough time’ for his crime ? Be consistent. Is 21 months more than 0 months ?
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Rutgers marketing needs to get on this . Make it pet night and donate some proceeds to the ASPCA
Not the same thing. What Ray did was horrible. But many things can be factors that are not just ingrained into someone. We do not know if Ray had or has a history of abusing women. And an act like that could be driven but individual factors which include drinking and partying.
His wife also has a will and she has been back with him for a decade.
Vick’s crime was against those with no voice or a way to defend themselves or just walk away. It wasn’t a one time factors- it was cruel humanity. That is usually something deeply ingrained.
Both things are terrible but not remotely the same.
didn’t take long for the first Homer Hypocrite to speak up.
Question- up in Syracuse, do you make people do time for charges that are dismissed???
Her 1766 got your back on this. I echo your thoughts and would NOT allow my son to have played for Vick.
Nothing does more damage to pitbulls than other pitbulls
Kids and women also seem to be a fav target
Like a lot of animals they often go for the face, and getting lips bit off not unusual.
I'm not a fan of them or (usually) the people who like and excuse them.
Vick seems a decent guy who will have a credibility that the squeaky clean types wont.
I cant see hating on him now aside from fact some people like to hate people they see as bad as a faux way of feeling good.
Kids and women also seem to be a fav target
Like a lot of animals they often go for the face, and getting lips bit off not unusual.
I'm not a fan of them or (usually) the people who like and excuse them.
Vick seems a decent guy who will have a credibility that the squeaky clean types wont.
I cant see hating on him now aside from fact some people like to hate people they see as bad as a faux way of feeling good.
That’s fine . Certainly your right and preference.
But it seems many parents do allow their son to play for Vick. He can’t be all bad
Sounds like you are being critical of the fathers that do allow their child to play at Norfolk state. Shame on you injecting that into this thread
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St John’s administration, the governing board and fans surely were disgusted by Pitino’s past behavior just like everyone else until the precise minute he wanted the job. A catholic school no less.
The mental gymnastics and excuses made to justify is appalling, embarrassing and a societal disgrace.
So go on y’all Homer Hypocrites. Keep up your contorted RU ‘holier than thou’ shit, because that’s what you are full of.
RU fans with unbreakable values are the tiny minority here same as everywhere else.
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I think they should make the Norfolk State game "Bring Your Dog To The Game" day.
In my book, no one who drowns and hangs dogs is a decent human. Sorry.
Don’t put words into my mouth. I said I wouldn’t. I’m not going to judge anyone that does.
Ray did what was required of him and all charges dismissed.
The comparison of Vick, convicted and sentenced and Rice, who had all charges dismissed, was ignorance on the part of the Cuse fan…
By you just choosing to come here and say your child wouldn’t play for Vick , is in fact judging parents that will have kids play for Vick. And for some reason you needed to make a post in regards ti another poster “got your back on this”. Seems like you are taking this seriously and personally
Not here…
It’s called comprehension.
Not interpretation, assuming or opining.
You’ll get it at some point. I have hope for you. 👍
But again, I’m not going to be surprised as this game gets closer to being played there will be complaints/concerns raised. Because that’s Rutgers. 🤷♂️
Read this again. And imagine someone doing that. There is no forgiveness for this and frankly the subhuman who committed this crime, in a fair world, would meet the same fate in the same exact fashion.
Here is a reminder:
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The report also states in mid-April of 2007, Vick, Peace and Phillips hung approximately three dogs who did not perform well in a "rolling session," which indicates the readiness of a dog to fight. According to the report, the three men hung the dogs "by placing a nylon cord over a 2 X 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed. They also drowned approximately three dogs by putting the dogs' heads in a five gallon bucket of water.
Here is a reminder:
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The report also states in mid-April of 2007, Vick, Peace and Phillips hung approximately three dogs who did not perform well in a "rolling session," which indicates the readiness of a dog to fight. According to the report, the three men hung the dogs "by placing a nylon cord over a 2 X 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed. They also drowned approximately three dogs by putting the dogs' heads in a five gallon bucket of water.
Just think of how many bait dogs Vick let those pit bulls maim and maul to death. We're talking family pet type dogs and they thought it was fun. That's pure evil and some deeds while eventually forgiven by the justice system, can morally never be forgiven. To each his own, I guess.
Actually, the stranglings were the most unsettling part for me.
You made a statement to the other poster he couldn’t answer as he doesn’t have a kid being offered a scholarship to play football. So, it was a hypothetical. Since I could respond without it being hypothetical, I did.
I never said I am judging anyone else, I said my son wouldn’t play for a man like that.
I also would not have let my son play at PSU after what happened. And I don’t judge anyone who does let their kid play there.
So your “facts” are in your head, not in mine.
I believe if Vick could convince you he's a changed person ( though words and proof of deeds and not just the PR kind) you'd probably change your mind and not oppose your son from playing for him .
But if he couldn't convince you I agree with you that not wanting your son to play for him is the right way to look at the issue, in my opinion.
Everyone deserves a second chance if they are sorry for what they done, but just serving your time isn't enough to deserve to be a role model/teacher of young men or women.
Some jobs need higher standards than others and coaching College Football players should be one.
So if Vick has changed from what he once was and has been rehabilitated he deserves to be trusted, if he just served his time and is the same type of person as when he was arrested , he hasn't earned or deserves the right to coach college players in my mind. .
The only thing he earned is to find gainful employment in a position where he can be successful in life , but one that doesn't require molding young impressionable people into winners in a competitive environment.
Thank you for sharing . Certainly any parents right to allow their son to play for a coach or program . Are there any other coaches you wouldn’t allow your son to play for ? Would you allow your son to come to Rutgers and play for schiano 2.0?
Shelby finds it hard to believe a parent or kid would reject the best football opportunity based on the HC’s crime and sentence served long in the past. In Vick’s case, like it or not, the crime was somewhat culturally accepted.
Aside coming from the pious here, where’s the backlash at NSU ? And where’s the backlash from Pitino’s hiring ?
Most fans don’t care about anything but winning, and most recruits don’t care about anything but opportunity.
The only fan outrage was over the imminent hiring of a career under .500 coach with strong character, the opposite of what some here claim matters.
The Sandusky-related objections were a convenient false flag. They didn’t want a lousy coach.
Guess who that coach was. Hint: Rocky Top.
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There's not telling about how people act or think when it comes to the type person they want coaching their kids.
Penn State has plenty of supporters, bet more than a few RU fans as well, that would love to have Joe Paterno coaching their kid because some consider him a great HC because of how Penn St was considered a great program under him
Others , now, would consider the wins not enough to overlook what he was supposedly allowing to happen by a long time assistant that remained close to the program after retiring
It's all in the values you hold dear and if you believe something or not.
For some winning is everything, others look for the character of the man/woman that will be a big factor in the life of their child during their son/daughter's college years
If Vick was the HC of OSU or Bama, it would be a hard no.
Here is the reality, if you have a son getting a ship to go to OSU or Bama and the man who is HC is a person you would not want near your son, it is an easy decision…he most likely has a ton of other really good schools and coaches to choose from.
If your son’s best offer is NS and play for this person, then he most likely has a couple of other schools at that level recruiting him.
And hate to burst your bubble, there are still some good kids and families out there that are not just looking for quick fame and cash. Some still choose the best school and Coach for their Son’s long term growth and goals. We are the ones that realize football is most likely not going to be the career that pays the bills.
What he did to defenseless animals. He just isn’t changing my mind. Even if he did change…just doesn’t matter
Well. I am sure he has his reasons lol
So no need to air that dirty laundry
As for schiano 2.0. You said you wouldn’t allow your son to go play at Penn state and the culture that Paterno perpetuated there and the child rape.
Schiano was part of that culture and was employed there when it was happening. It’s not a stretch to think schiano knew what was happening and was aware of the coverup at some point before Sandusky was arrested. But even if he didn’t know (cmon you know Greg , you really think a detail guy like that doesn’t know lol )
Schiano still also waxes poetic about paterno - he did this pretty recently too - on the Longerbeam podcast. . Kirk C also recently worked at Penn state and your son would be part of his unit. So you would have no problem allowing your son to play for a guy that was employed there at the time of the coverup and another that took a job there after the coverup . Schiano even still
Says paterno was a mentor.
Your statements are contradicting and make very little sense.
And your statements are stretching like silly putty…
I have no idea what Greg heard rumor of at PSU. Pretty sure he did not see a rape take place or have a kid come to him and ask him to help.
Since I doubt he raped any kids or witnessed it himself, he would have no proof. I’m not sure what he could have done. He was very low level and he certainly couldn’t have brought it to Joe or the AD…
And without proof, can’t bring it to the police either.
Not the same as a Man who raised dogs to abuse and kill them.
And to say a current coach coached at PSU recently? WTF does that have to do with Sandusky? Plum is dumb..,
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