You’ve been sucked into that poster’s vortex of non sensical thinking. Think about the logic: Israel is “apartheid” because of how the government treats Arabs but Israel government is also bad because it arrests Israelis. Another non logical point: I don’t like the perspectives of the people in Israel, especially the elected leadership therefore it is not a democracy. None of it ever connects and makes sense. Also plenty of off topic chatter and assumed accusations. The vortex casts a wide web.The article is from the NY Times. Yes, they are anti-semitic. That's why Bari Weiss left. Just listen to her story.
I'm not saying no Israeli has ever attacked a Palestinian. I'm sure there has been some insane settler at some point that did kill and it wasn't self defense. I'm just saying it's illegal. The population of Palestinians in the West Bank has gone from 600,000 in 1967 up to 3 million today. Now, if the Israeli is attacked, he should be able to defend himself. It is illegal to kill though. On the other hand, Palestinians are encouraged to kill as many Jews as they can and they are rewarded by the Palestinian Pension system. It's the pay for slay program.
Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund - Wikipedia
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If a Palestinian home is demolished, it's for a good reason. You have to get a permit, just like here in America. If the government confiscates it, they must be compensated, just like here.
So, if I understand the article, two Israelis were detained for three hours. I don't know what they did, but it sounds like they were blocking traffic. Two protesters getting arrested certainly doesn't mean that the government doesn't allow protests. It's a democracy and everyone has free speech including Arab Israelis. If you protest against the government in Gaza, you get killed.
I don't recall saying you didn't condemn Xi. I know you did and I said I was glad to hear it. However, I haven't seen a single protest on any college campus or any city protesting against him. How can these college protesters claim to care about the lives of Muslims while they're silent on Xi and MBS. That's who schools should divest from, China and Saudi Arabia.
OK, when I say countries are trying to wipe out an entire race, I'm talking about the policies of those countries. Ali Kameni has clearly stated "The perpetual subject of Iran is the elimination of Israel". They fund Hamas whose charted states their purpose is to destroy Israel, just like Hezbollah.
People can and should be outraged by more than one thing. Israel is not one of them. People should be outraged at Hamas and all those supporting them. There would be no deaths at all on either side if it wasn't for Hamas.
The article is from the NY Times. Yes, they are anti-semitic. That's why Bari Weiss left. Just listen to her story.
I'm not saying no Israeli has ever attacked a Palestinian. I'm sure there has been some insane settler at some point that did kill and it wasn't self defense. I'm just saying it's illegal. The population of Palestinians in the West Bank has gone from 600,000 in 1967 up to 3 million today. Now, if the Israeli is attacked, he should be able to defend himself. It is illegal to kill though. On the other hand, Palestinians are encouraged to kill as many Jews as they can and they are rewarded by the Palestinian Pension system. It's the pay for slay program.
Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund - Wikipedia
If a Palestinian home is demolished, it's for a good reason. You have to get a permit, just like here in America. If the government confiscates it, they must be compensated, just like here.
So, if I understand the article, two Israelis were detained for three hours. I don't know what they did, but it sounds like they were blocking traffic. Two protesters getting arrested certainly doesn't mean that the government doesn't allow protests. It's a democracy and everyone has free speech including Arab Israelis. If you protest against the government in Gaza, you get killed.
I don't recall saying you didn't condemn Xi. I know you did and I said I was glad to hear it. However, I haven't seen a single protest on any college campus or any city protesting against him. How can these college protesters claim to care about the lives of Muslims while they're silent on Xi and MBS. That's who schools should divest from, China and Saudi Arabia.
OK, when I say countries are trying to wipe out an entire race, I'm talking about the policies of those countries. Ali Kameni has clearly stated "The perpetual subject of Iran is the elimination of Israel". They fund Hamas whose charted states their purpose is to destroy Israel, just like Hezbollah.
People can and should be outraged by more than one thing. Israel is not one of them. People should be outraged at Hamas and all those supporting them. There would be no deaths at all on either side if it wasn't for Hamas.
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Historically, most Jews, most Americans and most American Jews felt sympathy towards Israel. There's been a shift in the last decade or so...what could it be? Could it be Israel steadily becoming less democratic? Could it be their religious right becoming more delusional yet more powerful? it makes little sense to become more liked by taking a minority position. And, via Birthright and other programs many were inculcated with pride in Israel- until they realized Israel was interfering in our elections, demagoguing Arabs and secular Jews, and murdering innocent civilians, Americans included. Unsurprisingly, that is unpopular.
Why doesn't Israel demolish the homes of settler terrorists?
A quick Google search shows students protesting at NYU in 2018 in regards to their belief it was enabling a humanitarian crisis there.
Students Protest NYU's Involvement in Yemeni Humanitarian Crisis - Washington Square News
40 protestors called on the university to take steeper action on the war in Yemen.
No one is saying Hamas or Iran or anyone is perfect. We should be free to criticize any country without being slandered and labeled. Israel is the in the former democracy bucket with once proud nations like Hungary, Turkey and Venezuela. And saying so doesn't mean I have animus towards the people in those places- far from it. I have animus towards their "leaders" and hope they can throw off their yokes and not join the Russias and Chinas of the world. As to here, we are at severe risk of joining the ex democracies if the felon fan club has its way and certain states like Texas and Florida are basically there unfortunately.
LOL, what a quote! That tells anyone all they need to know about you.
Fascinating. Because I heard directly from Israeli protesters that their democracy was in decline. Did you miss that? Are they tools of the "lies"? I would say trying to ban your Supreme Court from ruling on your administration is undemocratic. Many if not most Israelis agreed. They must be the NYT self hating variety. Venezuela also has elections. But they are BS, like the Hungarian ones. Russia too has elections. Re: the others like gay rights, not only does Israel not have gay marriage but even secular Jews who are deemed not religious enough by the rabbinate must get married abroad. So deeply democratic.
There are settlers who massacre civilians. An Israeli killed his PM for trying to make peace. And a cabinet minister literally had a picture of that terrorist on the wall in his home. This has 0 to do with Hamas.
Duma arson attack - Wikipedia
Kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir - Wikipedia
There's more where that came from unfortunately.
There are protests about the Saudis and Uighurs daily. The TikTok ban is bipartisan as well as the outrage about Khashoggi. Israel OTOH gets the support it does because some Evangelicals believe all Jews must move there (and ofc be "destroyed") so the Messiah returns...but for that, these days, given where most American Jews stand- in horror at what the government does- they'd be like any other pariah. Israel's own gov freely admits they'd rather align with Evangelicals than American Jews.
If it's all about anti-Semitism, it sure is fascinating that the same people who think Israel is Denmark on the Med sure are quiet about the Jewish leaders of Ukraine, France and Mexico (elect) when they are pilloried unfairly. I hear very little about them...if anything Zelensky is the subject of rumors and slander by the same folks. The story just doesn't check out.
The anti-Netanyahu protesters have been arrested. People have been fired and ousted from their jobs. And right now he is holding the country by the balls and refusing to hold an election because 1) he'd lose; 2) he will be found deeply culpable for security failures and allowing money to flow to Hamas and 3) will be jailed over his massive corruption. That much I will give Israel for sure- they do do a better job that our "SCOTUS" when it comes to locking up felon pols, if not felon killers. But right now their system is letting him jail Israelis and slaughter Palestinians instead of facing justice.
*IF* they can hold a free and fair election and lock him up, sign the peace plan proposed by President Biden and the Saudis, then maybe they will start looking like Denmark. I hope so.
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No the protesters in Israel. Though maybe they're like the "antisemitic" Jewish Americans in the NYT?
2023 Israeli judicial reform protests - Wikipedia
Even Cuba is on to the pinkwashing now....pushing homophobia is basically down to the American South, Russia and parts of Africa and the Middle East. It's not necessarily dispositive of democracy. Some nondemocratic govs now use for credibility. Serbia has a lesbian PM. They're still not a real democracy.
Brnabic: A female leader who is unlikely to change history – DW – 03/12/2021
Ana Brnabic's appointment as Serbia's first female and openly gay prime minister in 2017 came as a surprise. Back then, it seemed like she was the perfect candidate for the job.
I hear constantly from people in this country that democracy is under threat if someone from the White House asked Twitter to enforce their own disinfo policy. But jailing someone for a few hours is OK?
Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of a cabinet member in the US putting a picture on his wall of the JFK assassin, or Reagan attempted one, etc...that person would probably not be welcome in American public life even in these times. There's a difference between assassinations and the glorification of their perpetrators.
I never said Israel is deliberately slaughtering anyone, but they have negligently killed among others: American journalists, grandfathers and teenagers, aid workers and their own hostages before we get to Palestinians.
Settlers don't keep Israel safe, and basically no one outside a handful of zealots in Israel and the US would argue that. And there a protests for the Uighurs constantly. Here is one at the WH. If it was only about Jews you could explain why the same people who say things like settlers are part of safety OTOH go on to be silent if not viciously attack Jewish leaders here and abroad be it Schumer or Zelensky. It's about the Evangelicals and their messianic beliefs. If the small minority of Jewish conservatives left NY and NJ for PA it could be about them I guess too but that is unlikely. It's a purely political game started under Bush 2 after Bush 1 was probably the most pro-Palestinian President and Reagan withdrew aid for Israel.
At White House, Uyghurs protest Chinese 'genocide' on anniversary of massacre - UPI.com
A group of Uyghurs demonstrated outside of the White House on Wednesday to protest China's continued genocide on the 14th anniversary of what is known as the Uramchi Massacre.
That's because Gaza is like a feral cat colony, only cats don't kill 1200 people in one day of terror.
There are protests in both countries.
2022 COVID-19 protests in China - Wikipedia
2021 Russian protests - Wikipedia
Yes people are punished. Much like the professor in Israel. Israel is heading down the same path.
Mistakes by definition are negligence. And when you make a lot of mistakes- I mean the number of Americans killed in the West Bank alone, forgetting Hamas and Gaza, shows these "mistakes" are awful common. There is absolutely at the minimum a lackadaisical attitude towards civilian death.
What do children- Gaza is majority under 18 year old- have to with Hamas? Should 18 month year olds have to sign a form condemning Hamas and then they won't be bombed?
Who is saying people can't live in peace? Not me. Did you mean the Israeli cabinet minister who says there should be segregated delivery rooms? Did you mean the other cabinet minister who glorifies the Kahanist movement that committed mass murder against Palestinians? They say the same things Hamas does, just swap out the people they hate.
I guess the Israeli media is as anti-semitic, conspiracy prone, and anti-Israel as their Jewish American counterparts? The fact that Netanyahu funded Hamas is an absolute fact.
You claim to hate Hamas and hate racism....but then absolve Netanyahu....when
1) It's an indisputable fact Netanyahu funded Hamas
2) It's an indisputable fact Netanyahu is racist who said "the Arabs are voting in droves"
3) It's an indisputable fact that Netanyahu's cabinet members called for segregation and terrorism against Arabs
I guess you didn't know this because generally people who say things like "I did my own research" end up eating horse paste and thinking the Kraken is going to be released anyday now. But the majority of people both in Israel and America as the numbers show are wise to the trick and not buying what AIPAC and the Charlottesville caucus are selling.
In case anyone takes NoJewsInMyHouse seriously just remeber:
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