Rutgers New Brunswick students release a 'terrorist-like' message to their school, demanding that the school cut ties with Israel.

[NealPageNJ]

I agree,

Posts from you supporting someone who says Jews will be to blame when he loses the election are anti semitic.

Posts from you supporting someone who said there were "very fine people" at a protest where "Jews will not replace us" was chanted are antisemitic.

Posts from you supporting someone who dined with Nick Fuentes and Kanye are enti semitic.

Posts from you supporting someone who said he wants "guys in yarmulkes" counting his money are antisemitic.

Posts from you supporting someone who said Hezbollah is "very smart" are antisemitic,

Posts from you supporting someone who told a group of Jewish Americans about "your Prime Minister" are antisemitic.

Posts from you supporting someone who called the Second Gentleman "a crappy Jew" are antisemitic.

Pretending that you and the rest of the far right aren't supporting and enabling antisemitism at every turn, with Trafalgar polls and Laura Loomer tweets is also antisemitic.

in other words:

There is ZERO evidence of any antisemitism at RU protests.

There is overwhelming evidence of antisemitism on the Weird board and the campaign it simps for.

Oh, and of course, being Zionist doesn't mean one is Jewish, so being antisemitic has zero to do with being anti Zionist.

Now, shouldn't you be off showing what a giant hypocrite you are by joining the circle jerk saying things about Haitians that you'd never accept being said about Jews or anyone white?

Thanks for letting everyone on the board see this. There has been plenty of antisemitism at RU. Especially over the past 12 months. Some from right wingers. But the most and loudest from the left. Including many staff encouraging it. Some of it has been addressed. Some of it wasn’t. But I’m pretty satisfied the university is taking the issue seriously.

 

[ashokan]

Oct 7 anniversary on deck.
National Students for Justice in Palestine (NSJP) issuing call to action
RU banned and unbanned them.
I imagine at least part of Israel's actions the past week or so was due to anniversary actions

Students for Justice in Palestine plans 'Week of Rage' on anniversary of Oct. 7 attacks

The National Students for Justice in Palestine is planning a nationwide 'Week of Rage' on college campuses, beginning on the one-year anniversary of Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks against the Jewish state.

www.campusreform.org

 

[Knight177lb]

We have entire states that are not democratic. Florida bans books and sends police to people's homes for signing petitions.

Multiple hostage families (forgetting everyone else) had members arrested. Where is the proof they assaulted or damaged property?

Israel is definitely a democracy in decline, and much of the US is beyond the decline, sadly. It happens because of these suggestions that we saw here in Uvalde or now in Israel that a parent who just wants their child to live is somehow a criminal. And then it spreads to people who question the arrest of parents, and so on, until you have a Hungary or Turkey, then you have a Venezuela and eventually a Russia or China if not a North Korea.

You are right to be concerned about keeping a country democratic and free. It can easily disappear in a generation or two. I certainly don't want to go down the path of Venezuela. However, America and Israel are currently democracies. There are millions of protesters and a very small percentage are arrested. Even those that get arrested are set free and their voices are not silenced. They aren't sent off to a gulag and never heard from again.

The struggle to keep our country a democracy will always go on, but it does not in any way give the right to Hamas and Hezbollah and their followers the right to carry out their goal of genocide of the Jews in Israel. The most recent attacks to take out the Hezbollah leaders were extremely targeted. How can you get more targeted than the cell phone attack? Yet, the whole world continues to criticize Israel and makes up lies about them while they are merely trying to survive. Nobody even cares about the lives of Arabs killed by the Hezbollah rockets.

 

[NealPageNJ]

Oct 7 anniversary on deck.
National Students for Justice in Palestine (NSJP) issuing call to action
RU banned and unbanned them.
I imagine at least part of Israel's actions the past week or so was due to anniversary actions

Students for Justice in Palestine plans 'Week of Rage' on anniversary of Oct. 7 attacks

The National Students for Justice in Palestine is planning a nationwide 'Week of Rage' on college campuses, beginning on the one-year anniversary of Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks against the Jewish state.

www.campusreform.org

Right now, I feel RU has this under control. Time will tell. But things seem considerably better today than the past few months.

 

[ashokan]

Right now, I feel RU has this under control. Time will tell. But things seem considerably better today than the past few months.

I think they are just waiting for election week.
Protests were never organic (its a funded color revolution).
Most people don't even know what UN did this week

 

[NotInRHouse]

You are right to be concerned about keeping a country democratic and free. It can easily disappear in a generation or two. I certainly don't want to go down the path of Venezuela. However, America and Israel are currently democracies. There are millions of protesters and a very small percentage are arrested. Even those that get arrested are set free and their voices are not silenced. They aren't sent off to a gulag and never heard from again.

The struggle to keep our country a democracy will always go on, but it does not in any way give the right to Hamas and Hezbollah and their followers the right to carry out their goal of genocide of the Jews in Israel. The most recent attacks to take out the Hezbollah leaders were extremely targeted. How can you get more targeted than the cell phone attack? Yet, the whole world continues to criticize Israel and makes up lies about them while they are merely trying to survive. Nobody even cares about the lives of Arabs killed by the Hezbollah rockets.

It's a black and white proposition- not a "small number" of people are arrested. Either zero (democracy) or one or more (not). Sure, there's scale- we're not talking about Russia, but it's an issue.

No one is saying Hamas or Hezbollah has a "right" to kill innocent people. The argument is more that Israel does not either. Many children and other innocent civilian died in these attacks.

Ironically, and quite sadly, Israel killed its own hostages has killed American citizens in its attacks. It has killed Christians in the alleged goal off stamping out radical Islamic groups. And Hamas and Hezbollah have killed lots of Arabs and Muslims, as well as Thai workers and others in Israel that were there just to work. That is what happens when life becomes subordinate to crazed political goals.

It's all well and good to take out terrorists, but when you simultaneously take out a lot of innocent people, the survivors will just replace those in Hamas and Hezbollah who die. I haven't heard about any of the hostages in some time- now the focus is on Lebanon, where none of them are. The Israeli gov is quite obviously trying to stave off inquiries, elections, and trials versus freeing its own citizens. What is the plan to get the hostages out and prevent another 10/7? Seems kinda like when the US invaded Iraq after 9/11 while Bin Laden sat pretty until we had a President more interested in protecting Americans than enriching Halliburton and avenging his father. Sadaam like Nasrallah deserved his fate but Americans lost long term with the power vacuum in Iraq and the American citizens lost there.

 

[Knight177lb]

Whataboutism.

Israel is taking out the terrorists, but some civilians are killed in the process, so everything Hamas stands for is OK?
America invaded Iraq, so Hamas is allowed to kill anyone they want?

It is not Israel's intent for anyone to die except for Hamas. It is the intent of Hamas to kill as many Jews as possible. It doesn't matter if they are civilians or even babies. Same goes for Hezbollah.

You're buying into crazy conspiracy theories again. Israel is simply trying to survive. Why would you believe any propaganda that is put out by Hamas?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Whataboutism.

Israel is taking out the terrorists, but some civilians are killed in the process, so everything Hamas stands for is OK?
America invaded Iraq, so Hamas is allowed to kill anyone they want?

It is not Israel's intent for anyone to die except for Hamas. It is the intent of Hamas to kill as many Jews as possible. It doesn't matter if they are civilians or even babies. Same goes for Hezbollah.

You're buying into crazy conspiracy theories again. Israel is simply trying to survive. Why would you believe any propaganda that is put out by Hamas?

Who said Hamas is allowed to kill anyone? NO ONE should be killing innocent people.

Israel bombed a church, an aid convoy, and killed its own hostages. That's an awful amount of "unintentional" killings.

What is the conspiracy? Are Israeli hostages now actually Hamas? Are American citizens in the West Bank protesting with Israelis Hamas?

Is Hamas behind the hostages families arrested wondering how bombing Lebanon advances their release?

Seems like you have the whataboutism, justifying all Israeli actions "because Hamas" and everything otherwise is a conspiracy...gee where I have seen that before. Was there a country attacked by terrorists that instead attacked Iraq for no reason at all instead of the people responsible for 9/11, killed a ton of its own citizens and other innocent people and responded that anyone criticizing justified terrorism, was unpatriotic, supported Sadaam, believed conspiracies...when the only conspiracy was Iraq having WMD or being behind 9-11?

That's where Israel is now. Oh well, turned out well for the US and Iraq, right? And best part is, there are still people who today say Iraq had WMD and the world is safer...lol.

Sad for Israel...if they had leadership that wasn't part of the far right, the hostages would be home for the Jewish New Year.

 

[Knight177lb]

Who said Hamas is allowed to kill anyone? NO ONE should be killing innocent people.

Israel bombed a church, an aid convoy, and killed its own hostages. That's an awful amount of "unintentional" killings.

What is the conspiracy? Are Israeli hostages now actually Hamas? Are American citizens in the West Bank protesting with Israelis Hamas?

Is Hamas behind the hostages families arrested wondering how bombing Lebanon advances their release?

Seems like you have the whataboutism, justifying all Israeli actions "because Hamas" and everything otherwise is a conspiracy...gee where I have seen that before. Was there a country attacked by terrorists that instead attacked Iraq for no reason at all instead of the people responsible for 9/11, killed a ton of its own citizens and other innocent people and responded that anyone criticizing justified terrorism, was unpatriotic, supported Sadaam, believed conspiracies...when the only conspiracy was Iraq having WMD or being behind 9-11?

That's where Israel is now. Oh well, turned out well for the US and Iraq, right? And best part is, there are still people who today say Iraq had WMD and the world is safer...lol.

Sad for Israel...if they had leadership that wasn't part of the far right, the hostages would be home for the Jewish New Year.

So how is Israel supposed to defend itself? First of all, they never intentionally kill any civilians. They make phone calls and drop millions of leaflets to warn civilians. If there's any chance a civilian might die, they aren't allowed to defend themselves? Remember, there would no deaths on either side if Hamas didn't attack.

Hamas intentionally kills as many Jews as they can. Israel is doing all they can to get the hostages back. Neither one of us knows what Mossad knows. If there's a way to get them back, they're doing it. Defeating Hamas will do that. Why do you sympathize with Hamas?

You're going to any length to try to sympathize with Hamas and make Israel look like the bad guy. You don't have to put yourself through all these mental gymnastics to try and come up with some twisted logic to make Israel the bad guy. You can just do some free thinking for yourself. You don't have to take your marching orders from the left. You can still believe in pro choice, equal rights for women, equal rights for gays, against the invasion of Iraq, freedom of speech and all those other things, but be against Hamas. If you really care about the lives of Gazans, you would turn your rage against Hamas who are the real bad guys and are the ones responsible for their suffering.

 

[NotInRHouse]

So how is Israel supposed to defend itself? First of all, they never intentionally kill any civilians. They make phone calls and drop millions of leaflets to warn civilians. If there's any chance a civilian might die, they aren't allowed to defend themselves? Remember, there would no deaths on either side if Hamas didn't attack.

Hamas intentionally kills as many Jews as they can. Israel is doing all they can to get the hostages back. Neither one of us knows what Mossad knows. If there's a way to get them back, they're doing it. Defeating Hamas will do that. Why do you sympathize with Hamas?

You're going to any length to try to sympathize with Hamas and make Israel look like the bad guy. You don't have to put yourself through all these mental gymnastics to try and come up with some twisted logic to make Israel the bad guy. You can just do some free thinking for yourself. You don't have to take your marching orders from the left. You can still believe in pro choice, equal rights for women, equal rights for gays, against the invasion of Iraq, freedom of speech and all those other things, but be against Hamas. If you really care about the lives of Gazans, you would turn your rage against Hamas who are the real bad guys and are the ones responsible for their suffering.

OK. Were the aid workers, people in the church or killed hostages warned? How about the American citizens shot in the West Bank?

Multiple American citizens were shot in the West Bank on 10/7.

Your argument is akin to "well Sadaam was a killer, so if the US killed Iraqi citizens, it's OK." If you're a democracy, it's not.

How is sympathizing with Christians in a church, Israeli hostages, and American citizens (none of whom with any Hamas or terrorist affiliation at all) sympathizing with Hamas?

I thought "all lives matter." Doesn;t that include Christians, Israelis, Americans? Or is there an asterisk if their deaths get in the way of the far right Israeli gov narrative?

 

[NealPageNJ]

I had hoped much of this was under control. Oct 7 should be a day of solemn thought and prayer on campus. Too bad we are still seeing this on campus:

 

[Knight177lb]

OK. Were the aid workers, people in the church or killed hostages warned? How about the American citizens shot in the West Bank?

Multiple American citizens were shot in the West Bank on 10/7.

Your argument is akin to "well Sadaam was a killer, so if the US killed Iraqi citizens, it's OK." If you're a democracy, it's not.

How is sympathizing with Christians in a church, Israeli hostages, and American citizens (none of whom with any Hamas or terrorist affiliation at all) sympathizing with Hamas?

I thought "all lives matter." Doesn;t that include Christians, Israelis, Americans? Or is there an asterisk if their deaths get in the way of the far right Israeli gov narrative?

What's lost on you is the intent. It was never the intent of Israel to kill any civilians. You're equating an accident to the stated purpose of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA to kill as many Jews as possible.

To me, all lives do matter. However, any organization that states their goal is to kill all Jews and then attempts to carry that out is evil. It seems like you're forgetting the fact that there would be no deaths on either side if Hamas didn't attack on October 7th.

 

[NotInRHouse]

What's lost on you is the intent. It was never the intent of Israel to kill any civilians. You're equating an accident to the stated purpose of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA to kill as many Jews as possible.

To me, all lives do matter. However, any organization that states their goal is to kill all Jews and then attempts to carry that out is evil. It seems like you're forgetting the fact that there would be no deaths on either side if Hamas didn't attack on October 7th.

I think what's lost on you is that if you accidentally kill innocent people on a repeat basis, it becomes less of an accident.

Please explain how the bombing of a church in Gaza, Christian villages in Lebanon, and the murder of multiple American citizens in the West Bank, including a journalist and a grandfather, are accidental.

There were MANY civilian deaths in Gaza and the WB before Oct 7, including again, American citizens. Here is one. A Christian American wearing a Press vest in 2022.

Killing of Shireen Abu Akleh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of all the democracies out there- which are the ones that kill so many Western citizens with impunity?

 

[Knight177lb]

I think what's lost on you is that if you accidentally kill innocent people on a repeat basis, it becomes less of an accident.

Please explain how the bombing of a church in Gaza, Christian villages in Lebanon, and the murder of multiple American citizens in the West Bank, including a journalist and a grandfather, are accidental.

There were MANY civilian deaths in Gaza and the WB before Oct 7, including again, American citizens. Here is one. A Christian American wearing a Press vest in 2022.

Killing of Shireen Abu Akleh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of all the democracies out there- which are the ones that kill so many Western citizens with impunity?

Out of all the democracies in the world, Israel is attacked the most. They are surrounded by terrorist organizations with the sole purpose of their existence being to eradicate Israel and the rest of the world is cheering them on.

Over the past year, Hezbollah has launched 8,500 rockets into Israel. It's true that Israel was able to stop most of them, but some got through and killed both Jews and Arabs. The intent for each rocket was to kill as many Jews as possible and the ultimate goal is to genocide the Jewish people. I can't believe that I have to try and convince you that genocide is wrong. I'm sure you realize it's wrong, but some how you're making an exception when it comes to Jews. I realize it's a hard prejudice to overcome. Afterall, Jews have been the world's scapegoat for over a thousand years. Also, their such a small minority, it's easy to find lots of allies to agree with you.

These terrorist groups are evil and stand for everything that you're against. I have no link to show you proof, but I promise you, the world is not going to be better off with the eradication of 8 million Jews.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Out of all the democracies in the world, Israel is attacked the most. They are surrounded by terrorist organizations with the sole purpose of their existence being to eradicate Israel and the rest of the world is cheering them on.

Over the past year, Hezbollah has launched 8,500 rockets into Israel. It's true that Israel was able to stop most of them, but some got through and killed both Jews and Arabs. The intent for each rocket was to kill as many Jews as possible and the ultimate goal is to genocide the Jewish people. I can't believe that I have to try and convince you that genocide is wrong. I'm sure you realize it's wrong, but some how you're making an exception when it comes to Jews. I realize it's a hard prejudice to overcome. Afterall, Jews have been the world's scapegoat for over a thousand years. Also, their such a small minority, it's easy to find lots of allies to agree with you.

These terrorist groups are evil and stand for everything that you're against. I have no link to show you proof, but I promise you, the world is not going to be better off with the eradication of 8 million Jews.

Not sure how you're calculating "is attacked the most" but rest assured that it would be false by any metric. Our own democracy has been under massive assault both internal and external essentially the entire century, never mind going back to Pearl Habor or OKC. It's also false that "the rest of the world is cheering" when even neighboring Muslim countries like Jordan shoot down Iranian weapons.

You didn't answer my question (as usual). I asked...how many accidents is too many? Of course for your the answer is unlimited.

But now, you instead insist that even asking this question is somehow promoting genocide, again showing that any question of the Israeli government is not acceptable to you. Sure, someone like Bernie Sanders or Chuck Schumer is advocating for the end of the Jewish people. Do you not understand how making such incredulous arguments falls flat when you're outside of your bubble?

What does murdering an American journalist in 2022 have to do with Hezbollah?

I know you won't answer, but I'll keep asking. And then, to parry the absurd talking point that this has anything to do with eradicating all Jews, many of the people questioning the behavior of Israel are Jewish. And of course most of the hostage families are Jewish. The real antisemitism is your cheapening of their faith over questioning the conduct of a government.

Questioning Israel doesn't mean supporting Hezbollah or Hamas. It is a moronic formula now as it was when the far right tried it with questioning Bush meant supporting Sadaam or questioning the Vietnam War meant supporting the Viet Cong. No, I don't support Hamas or Hezbollah or Netanyahu, I support the lives of the innocent people, Jewish, Muslim, Christian and otherwise that they have desecrated in the pursuit of naked bigotry, hate and power.

 

[Knight177lb]

Excuse me, but you're the one who doesn't answer questions. I asked you, if a country is attacked, is it allowed to defend itself if there is a chance that one civilian may die?

Ther answer to your question is that no country should ever target civilians and the amount of civilian deaths should be limited to as little as possible. Israel is not targeting civilians. In Urban warfare, the average of civilian deaths to soldiers is 9-1. In this war it's only 2-1. That's pretty good considering that Hamas purposely uses civilians to shield themselves.

Let me clarify. When I say attacked, I mean physically violently attacked with lethal weapons like, guns, bombs, rockets, drones, suicide bombers, and knives. In what is now Israel, Jews were attacked and killed starting in 1920. They were killed again in 1921 and every year since then for over 100 years. What they call the 1948 Arab-Israeli War was actually four countries attempting to genocide the Jewish people. The same thing happened in 1967 (6 Day War) and 1973 (Yom Kippur War). There have been countless terrorist attacks in the years in between wars including the First and Second Intifadas. Now, please tell me, what country has been violently physically attacked in the past 100 years more than Israel?

I'm glad that you don't support Hamas or Hezbollah, but you never bring them up. They are the reason for all deaths on both sides and when I tell you to direct your rage towards them, you just criticize Israel more. I get that you hate Netanyahu, but you have to realize that it doesn't matter who the PM is. Israel has been attacked and Jews were killed under every single PM in the past. Once another PM is elected, absolutely nothing will change. Hamas and Hezbollah will continue to attack Israel while being funded by Iran and Jews will continue to try and survive.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Excuse me, but you're the one who doesn't answer questions. I asked you, if a country is attacked, is it allowed to defend itself if there is a chance that one civilian may die?

Ther answer to your question is that no country should ever target civilians and the amount of civilian deaths should be limited to as little as possible. Israel is not targeting civilians. In Urban warfare, the average of civilian deaths to soldiers is 9-1. In this war it's only 2-1. That's pretty good considering that Hamas purposely uses civilians to shield themselves.

Let me clarify. When I say attacked, I mean physically violently attacked with lethal weapons like, guns, bombs, rockets, drones, suicide bombers, and knives. In what is now Israel, Jews were attacked and killed starting in 1920. They were killed again in 1921 and every year since then for over 100 years. What they call the 1948 Arab-Israeli War was actually four countries attempting to genocide the Jewish people. The same thing happened in 1967 (6 Day War) and 1973 (Yom Kippur War). There have been countless terrorist attacks in the years in between wars including the First and Second Intifadas. Now, please tell me, what country has been violently physically attacked in the past 100 years more than Israel?

I'm glad that you don't support Hamas or Hezbollah, but you never bring them up. They are the reason for all deaths on both sides and when I tell you to direct your rage towards them, you just criticize Israel more. I get that you hate Netanyahu, but you have to realize that it doesn't matter who the PM is. Israel has been attacked and Jews were killed under every single PM in the past. Once another PM is elected, absolutely nothing will change. Hamas and Hezbollah will continue to attack Israel while being funded by Iran and Jews will continue to try and survive.

You didn't ask that. Nor answer my question.

So let's re- ask. I won this argument pages ago without putting words in your mouth, but still.

If you don't answer, the only logical conclusion must be you approve of foreign nations murdering American journalists.

What does murdering an American journalist in 2022 have to do with Hezbollah?

How many mistakes can one army make before it stops being a mistake?

Israel can defend itself. It can't violate international law. What is unclear about that?

What happened in 1948 or any other year doesn't justify killing Americans in 2022. Or 2024. This is the kind of propaganda we see from Russia where some claims in the 800s allow them to "justify" bombing day care centers in Ukraine.

My question that you refuse to answer literally contains the word Hezbollah, lol. But let's talk more about Hamas and why Netanyahu aided and abetted them.

While I already debunked your defense of felon Netanyahu, i'll take your repeat of the lie to add more evidence.

As we already know from Israeli media, Netanyahu helped, and bragged about, Hamas being funded, to weaken the PA.

Now we know from Hamas emails that they waited for his plan to further weaken democracy. They waited for him to distract the military and the country with his deranged plans, knowing Israel would be divided, and used the money he let flow to them to attack.

Netanyahu is DIRECTLY responsible for 10/7. It has everything to do with him. Had he not funded Hamas, had he not tried to trash Israeli democracy, 10/7 never happens. Hamas wanted the funds and the distraction and he handed them both.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-war.html

 

[Knight177lb]

You didn't ask that. Nor answer my question.

So let's re- ask. I won this argument pages ago without putting words in your mouth, but still.

If you don't answer, the only logical conclusion must be you approve of foreign nations murdering American journalists.

What does murdering an American journalist in 2022 have to do with Hezbollah?

How many mistakes can one army make before it stops being a mistake?

Israel can defend itself. It can't violate international law. What is unclear about that?

What happened in 1948 or any other year doesn't justify killing Americans in 2022. Or 2024. This is the kind of propaganda we see from Russia where some claims in the 800s allow them to "justify" bombing day care centers in Ukraine.

My question that you refuse to answer literally contains the word Hezbollah, lol. But let's talk more about Hamas and why Netanyahu aided and abetted them.

While I already debunked your defense of felon Netanyahu, i'll take your repeat of the lie to add more evidence.

As we already know from Israeli media, Netanyahu helped, and bragged about, Hamas being funded, to weaken the PA.

Now we know from Hamas emails that they waited for his plan to further weaken democracy. They waited for him to distract the military and the country with his deranged plans, knowing Israel would be divided, and used the money he let flow to them to attack.

Netanyahu is DIRECTLY responsible for 10/7. It has everything to do with him. Had he not funded Hamas, had he not tried to trash Israeli democracy, 10/7 never happens. Hamas wanted the funds and the distraction and he handed them both.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-war.html

Do you really think that Israel planned the assignation of an American Journalist in order to help Israel? To answer your question again, no deaths of innocent lives are OK. Now answer my question: If there is a chance that one civilian may die, then it isn't OK for a country to defend itself?

A country has a right to defend itself and accidents have happened and no deaths of civilians were intentional.

You've gone back to your conspiracy theory again. You think that Netanyahu said to himself "Let's see, how can I get thousands and thousands of my people killed, kidnapped, wounded, and raped? And in the process, I'll wreck my economy and get the whole world to turn against me. I know, I'll give money to Hamas." Go back and read that again and see if it makes any sense. First of all, Israel doesn't have the power to stop all money and if it did, could it do that? Of course not, the whole world would accuse Israel of starving the Gazans.

Hamas is responsible for 10/7. Hamas is the one that states in its charter "kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God and death for the sake of Jihad is the loftiest of goals." I thought you were at least somewhat rational, but I can see you're getting upset. Take a step back for and think logically for a moment. Israel is the country that extends its hand in peace. Israel is the country that offered a two-state solution. The Arab leaders have always rejected peace. If Netanyahu is directly responsible for 10/7, then how come Jews were slaughtered in Israel under every single prime minister Israel ever had? Why were they slaughtered before there were any prime ministers?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Do you really think that Israel planned the assignation of an American Journalist in order to help Israel? To answer your question again, no deaths of innocent lives are OK. Now answer my question: If there is a chance that one civilian may die, then it isn't OK for a country to defend itself?

A country has a right to defend itself and accidents have happened and no deaths of civilians were intentional.

You've gone back to your conspiracy theory again. You think that Netanyahu said to himself "Let's see, how can I get thousands and thousands of my people killed, kidnapped, wounded, and raped? And in the process, I'll wreck my economy and get the whole world to turn against me. I know, I'll give money to Hamas." Go back and read that again and see if it makes any sense. First of all, Israel doesn't have the power to stop all money and if it did, could it do that? Of course not, the whole world would accuse Israel of starving the Gazans.

Hamas is responsible for 10/7. Hamas is the one that states in its charter "kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God and death for the sake of Jihad is the loftiest of goals." I thought you were at least somewhat rational, but I can see you're getting upset. Take a step back for and think logically for a moment. Israel is the country that extends its hand in peace. Israel is the country that offered a two-state solution. The Arab leaders have always rejected peace. If Netanyahu is directly responsible for 10/7, then how come Jews were slaughtered in Israel under every single prime minister Israel ever had? Why were they slaughtered before there were any prime ministers?

Planned? No. I think it was more of a George Floyd situation. I don't think the Israeli gov values lives not in line with its far right values. Including those of Israelis, but certainly Palestinians.

The rules of law require proportionality. The death of the Palestinian-American journalist did not advance any security cause. Much the same with the aid workers. So the answer is they were not defending themselves.

Is it ok to kill 100 civilians to kill one terrorist? I would say no. For example, I think you can argue dropping a nuke on Moscow would probably end the war in Ukraine in seconds and take out Putin and his gang. Would that be OK?

Conspiracy theory, no FACT as reported by ISRAELI media that Netanyahu thought it would advantage him. Are you seriously saying that leaders don't want war? Look at the Iraq War, a war of choice we lived through.

The Israeli Supreme Court (presumably laden with anti semites, right?) has accused the government of starving Gazans now.

Israeli wants a 2 state solution? Is that your final answer or do I need to go listing Netanyahu quotes on it? Never mind Ben Gvir and other terrorists.

And here we go again: "The Arabs." Bigoted. And false. Saudis have said they'd recognize Israel for a Palestinian state.

 

[Knight177lb]

Planned? No. I think it was more of a George Floyd situation. I don't think the Israeli gov values lives not in line with its far right values. Including those of Israelis, but certainly Palestinians.

The rules of law require proportionality. The death of the Palestinian-American journalist did not advance any security cause. Much the same with the aid workers. So the answer is they were not defending themselves.

Is it ok to kill 100 civilians to kill one terrorist? I would say no. For example, I think you can argue dropping a nuke on Moscow would probably end the war in Ukraine in seconds and take out Putin and his gang. Would that be OK?

Conspiracy theory, no FACT as reported by ISRAELI media that Netanyahu thought it would advantage him. Are you seriously saying that leaders don't want war? Look at the Iraq War, a war of choice we lived through.

The Israeli Supreme Court (presumably laden with anti semites, right?) has accused the government of starving Gazans now.

Israeli wants a 2 state solution? Is that your final answer or do I need to go listing Netanyahu quotes on it? Never mind Ben Gvir and other terrorists.

And here we go again: "The Arabs." Bigoted. And false. Saudis have said they'd recognize Israel for a Palestinian state.

It would not be OK to drop a nuke on Russia, but it is OK to defend yourself if someone is trying to commit genocide. Israel is going above and beyond to make sure as few civilians are killed as possible. They drop leaflets, they make phone calls, they text, all to warn civilians. No other army has ever done that.

Go back and read my response again. I said "Arab leaders", not Arabs. I know that the left's strategy is to accuse anyone who criticizes terrorists and Hamas is to accuse them of racism, but it's not racist to be against Hamas and everything they stand for. You don't have to just regurgitate the left's script. You can use logic and start thinking for yourself. Israel was one that was attacked on October 7th.

I'm saying Netanyahu didn't want war. Hamas is funded by Iran to attack Israel. No matter who is prime minister, Israel would have been attacked. I'll ask you again: If this is all Netanyahu's fault, then why have Jews been slaughtered under every prime minister that Israel has ever had and even before there were any prime ministers?

A two-state solution has been offered three times to the Palestinians. That is a fact that you can easily look up. Each time, it was accepted by Israel, but rejected by the Palestinians. Not only was it rejected each time, but the response was an attempt to slaughter all the Jews. That is a fact.

 

[NotInRHouse]

It would not be OK to drop a nuke on Russia, but it is OK to defend yourself if someone is trying to commit genocide. Israel is going above and beyond to make sure as few civilians are killed as possible. They drop leaflets, they make phone calls, they text, all to warn civilians. No other army has ever done that.

Go back and read my response again. I said "Arab leaders", not Arabs. I know that the left's strategy is to accuse anyone who criticizes terrorists and Hamas is to accuse them of racism, but it's not racist to be against Hamas and everything they stand for. You don't have to just regurgitate the left's script. You can use logic and start thinking for yourself. Israel was one that was attacked on October 7th.

I'm saying Netanyahu didn't want war. Hamas is funded by Iran to attack Israel. No matter who is prime minister, Israel would have been attacked. I'll ask you again: If this is all Netanyahu's fault, then why have Jews been slaughtered under every prime minister that Israel has ever had and even before there were any prime ministers?

A two-state solution has been offered three times to the Palestinians. That is a fact that you can easily look up. Each time, it was accepted by Israel, but rejected by the Palestinians. Not only was it rejected each time, but the response was an attempt to slaughter all the Jews. That is a fact.

Yet they killed their own hostages...aid workers...journalists...which are the other armies of democratic countries that do that?

LOL, solid edit to your post combined with blaming "the left" when previously you claimed the conflict wasn't a left/right one.

It's a simple lie to state the PM didn't matter. We know Hamas said they waited for him and fascist move to abolish the Israeli Supreme Court.

Jews have been slaughtered under every PM...OK...was there ever a President under whom no Americans were slaughtered? What does that have to do with anything? Does 9/11 have anything to do with George Washington? We have documents showing Hamas' mentality.

Rejected by the "Palestinians" after the "Arab leaders" effort lol. And the response, by whom, was to "slaughter all the Jews." OK. Please check in for your right wing talking points, lol. I mean this is a new level of dumb. Jews were attacked in the US by "the Palestinians" because, by the way, most Jews (understandably) don't live in Israel? Don't think so.

Of course here is the US, Jews are slaughtered by white, lunatic, far right actors, including and especially under anti-Semite presidents as we saw in Pittsburgh, Poway, and Charlottesville. But people who blame "the Arabs" and the "Palestinians" for "the slaughter all the Jews" ignore that fact. Why is that? You never commented on any antisemitism on this board when those incidents happened.

 

[Knight177lb]

Yet they killed their own hostages...aid workers...journalists...which are the other armies of democratic countries that do that?

LOL, solid edit to your post combined with blaming "the left" when previously you claimed the conflict wasn't a left/right one.

It's a simple lie to state the PM didn't matter. We know Hamas said they waited for him and fascist move to abolish the Israeli Supreme Court.

Jews have been slaughtered under every PM...OK...was there ever a President under whom no Americans were slaughtered? What does that have to do with anything? Does 9/11 have anything to do with George Washington? We have documents showing Hamas' mentality.

Rejected by the "Palestinians" after the "Arab leaders" effort lol. And the response, by whom, was to "slaughter all the Jews." OK. Please check in for your right wing talking points, lol. I mean this is a new level of dumb. Jews were attacked in the US by "the Palestinians" because, by the way, most Jews (understandably) don't live in Israel? Don't think so.

Of course here is the US, Jews are slaughtered by white, lunatic, far right actors, including and especially under anti-Semite presidents as we saw in Pittsburgh, Poway, and Charlottesville. But people who blame "the Arabs" and the "Palestinians" for "the slaughter all the Jews" ignore that fact. Why is that? You never commented on any antisemitism on this board when those incidents happened.

Unfortunately, some hostages and civilians have died, but this was not intentional. This is a far cry from Hamas whose intention is to kill as many Jews as possible and it doesn't matter if they are civilians or even babies.

The conflict shouldn't be a left/right issue. It's about standing up to evil. The left has taken the view that all Jews are white and rich and the Arabs have been victimized by colonialism and oppression. If you look into the issue a little, you can see that none of this is true and some on the left like Bill Maher and Chris Cuomo are still on the left, but are pro-Israel.

Hamas states in their charter that "Israel will exist until Islam destroys it". They have been screaming for the destruction of Israel and have been spending all their money on weapons and launching thousands of rockets into Israel leading up to October 7th. Are you trying to say that if Netanyahu wasn't elected, there would be no attacks? The attempt to genocide the Jews is their purpose. They don't care who is prime minister is. Yes, Americans have died in conflicts all over the world under many different presidents. What point are you trying to make? You're just proving me right. America has enemies that hate America for the freedoms we have. They will continue to hate us and will continue to attempt to destroy us no matter who is president. The anti-Israel protesters don't want to be accused of being racist, so they say, no, we're not racist, we don't hate all Jews, we just hate Netanyahu. This is a great strategy and it's working very well. The media is spreading all these lies and crazy conspiracy theories and people are eating it up. Bottom line though, the prime minister doesn't matter. Hamas hates Jews and will continue to try and kill them. Hamas could care less about the supreme court.

Yes, Jews have been slaughtered here in America by white supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK, and other groups like that. They are evil just like Hamas is. It's just more whataboutism. It doesn't make it OK for Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist group to do it too. I felt very bad for the people in Pittsburgh. Just because I didn't start a post about it doesn't mean that I thought it was OK. Antisemitism is bad no matter where it occurs.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Unfortunately, some hostages and civilians have died, but this was not intentional. This is a far cry from Hamas whose intention is to kill as many Jews as possible and it doesn't matter if they are civilians or even babies.

The conflict shouldn't be a left/right issue. It's about standing up to evil. The left has taken the view that all Jews are white and rich and the Arabs have been victimized by colonialism and oppression. If you look into the issue a little, you can see that none of this is true and some on the left like Bill Maher and Chris Cuomo are still on the left, but are pro-Israel.

Hamas states in their charter that "Israel will exist until Islam destroys it". They have been screaming for the destruction of Israel and have been spending all their money on weapons and launching thousands of rockets into Israel leading up to October 7th. Are you trying to say that if Netanyahu wasn't elected, there would be no attacks? The attempt to genocide the Jews is their purpose. They don't care who is prime minister is. Yes, Americans have died in conflicts all over the world under many different presidents. What point are you trying to make? You're just proving me right. America has enemies that hate America for the freedoms we have. They will continue to hate us and will continue to attempt to destroy us no matter who is president. The anti-Israel protesters don't want to be accused of being racist, so they say, no, we're not racist, we don't hate all Jews, we just hate Netanyahu. This is a great strategy and it's working very well. The media is spreading all these lies and crazy conspiracy theories and people are eating it up. Bottom line though, the prime minister doesn't matter. Hamas hates Jews and will continue to try and kill them. Hamas could care less about the supreme court.

Yes, Jews have been slaughtered here in America by white supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK, and other groups like that. They are evil just like Hamas is. It's just more whataboutism. It doesn't make it OK for Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist group to do it too. I felt very bad for the people in Pittsburgh. Just because I didn't start a post about it doesn't mean that I thought it was OK. Antisemitism is bad no matter where it occurs.

Is there any cap on the number of civilians that die before it becomes a problem?

Is Bernie Sanders of the view that "all Jews are white and rich"? Who has lived in Israel, you and the right? Or him?

I am saying Hamas (in their own words) waited until he was PM, yes. They said it. Do you only believe their charter, and not their internal communications?

So the protesters- including Jewish ones- are anti-semitic? Like Bernie I assume? But the Right, whose leader says Jews will be responsible when he loses, love Jews?

America is attacked because of freedom? So 9/11 was about freedom?

Who has Hamas attacked in the US? Or Hezbollah?

See there is thing called reality. Hamas hasn't attacked the US. OTOH, the Radical Right has attacked Americans and specifically American Jews with terrorism in Pittsburgh, Poway and Charlottesville among others. Yet, you have a lot more to say about Israel. Do you live in the US or Israel? Why are protests where no one died a bigger deal than my fellow American citizens being slaughtered by someone who hates refugees as they pray in a synagogue? Hamas should be and is condemned, the difference is what you and the right want to do which is smear Jewish and other Americans with an anti-semitic label, pretend they don't condemn Hamas, and then, as if that wasn't bad enough, turn a blind eye to anti-semitic terrorism in this country which obviously and plainly poses 10x the threat of a college student protesting, especially when you consider no one outside of the Far Right loony tunes bubble believes Jewish Columbia students are going to go in a synagogue and slaughter people the way the Right has.

 

[Knight177lb]

Is there any cap on the number of civilians that die before it becomes a problem?

Is Bernie Sanders of the view that "all Jews are white and rich"? Who has lived in Israel, you and the right? Or him?

I am saying Hamas (in their own words) waited until he was PM, yes. They said it. Do you only believe their charter, and not their internal communications?

So the protesters- including Jewish ones- are anti-semitic? Like Bernie I assume? But the Right, whose leader says Jews will be responsible when he loses, love Jews?

America is attacked because of freedom? So 9/11 was about freedom?

Who has Hamas attacked in the US? Or Hezbollah?

See there is thing called reality. Hamas hasn't attacked the US. OTOH, the Radical Right has attacked Americans and specifically American Jews with terrorism in Pittsburgh, Poway and Charlottesville among others. Yet, you have a lot more to say about Israel. Do you live in the US or Israel? Why are protests where no one died a bigger deal than my fellow American citizens being slaughtered by someone who hates refugees as they pray in a synagogue? Hamas should be and is condemned, the difference is what you and the right want to do which is smear Jewish and other Americans with an anti-semitic label, pretend they don't condemn Hamas, and then, as if that wasn't bad enough, turn a blind eye to anti-semitic terrorism in this country which obviously and plainly poses 10x the threat of a college student protesting, especially when you consider no one outside of the Far Right loony tunes bubble believes Jewish Columbia students are going to go in a synagogue and slaughter people the way the Right has.

Is there any cap on the number of civilians that die before it becomes a problem? No civilian should have to die. That's why Hamas should not have slaughtered Jews. How many Jews should die before they are allowed to defend themselves?

Is Bernie Sanders of the view that "all Jews are white and rich"? Who has lived in Israel, you and the right? Or him? Actually, you should listen to what Bernie says. He believes the attack on October 7th was a horrible tragedy.

I am saying Hamas (in their own words) waited until he was PM, yes. They said it. Do you only believe their charter, and not their internal communications? Yes, I believe their charter. They state they want to annihilate Israel and they have been attempting to do that since their founding. Jews have been slaughtered since 1921 and continuously until today. It doesn't matter who's PM. Do you honestly think there would be no attempt to kill any Jew if only Netanyahu wasn't elected president?

So the protesters- including Jewish ones- are anti-semitic? Like Bernie I assume? But the Right, whose leader says Jews will be responsible when he loses, love Jews? I believe there are many protestors that have never been told the truth and refuse to listen to the truth because they believe that would be betraying the left. I disagree and you can be on the left and still believe that Jews should be allowed to exist. Even Bill Clinton understands this. I hope you heard his speech in Michigan.



America is attacked because of freedom? So 9/11 was about freedom? Wow, just wow. I can't believe you asked this, but now your views all make sense. Yes, that was why we were attacked, because of our freedom. I know it doesn't make sense, but Bin Laden and his followers attacked us because he hated everything we stand for, equal rights for women, protection of gays, democracy, and simply because of the fact that we are not an Islamic theocracy. He hated all of the west and our culture. He was very clear about that. Why do you think he did it?

Who has Hamas attacked in the US? Or Hezbollah? Nobody yet, but they do make it clear that they hate America. If they were to succeed in their goal of killing all the Jews in Israel, they would then focus on us. Just because Hamas and Hezbollah haven't attacked the US, does that mean they are OK? Just because they haven't attacked us, does that mean we should just look the other way while they try and commit genocide against the Jewish people?

I live in the US and I believe we should stand up to evil both at home and abroad. When people are killed here because of their religion, race, or sexual identity, it is evil and we should eliminate it. I'm talking about Israel because it is a whole country and about half of the Jews left in the world that is trying to be eliminated. I haven't been to a college protest, but I would not feel safe if I tried to express my opinion anywhere near them. People have been assaulted for doing this. However, what's worse, is that Hamas and Hezbollah see the protests and it motivates them to continue to kill even more.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Is there any cap on the number of civilians that die before it becomes a problem? No civilian should have to die. That's why Hamas should not have slaughtered Jews. How many Jews should die before they are allowed to defend themselves?

Is Bernie Sanders of the view that "all Jews are white and rich"? Who has lived in Israel, you and the right? Or him? Actually, you should listen to what Bernie says. He believes the attack on October 7th was a horrible tragedy.

I am saying Hamas (in their own words) waited until he was PM, yes. They said it. Do you only believe their charter, and not their internal communications? Yes, I believe their charter. They state they want to annihilate Israel and they have been attempting to do that since their founding. Jews have been slaughtered since 1921 and continuously until today. It doesn't matter who's PM. Do you honestly think there would be no attempt to kill any Jew if only Netanyahu wasn't elected president?

So the protesters- including Jewish ones- are anti-semitic? Like Bernie I assume? But the Right, whose leader says Jews will be responsible when he loses, love Jews? I believe there are many protestors that have never been told the truth and refuse to listen to the truth because they believe that would be betraying the left. I disagree and you can be on the left and still believe that Jews should be allowed to exist. Even Bill Clinton understands this. I hope you heard his speech in Michigan.

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America is attacked because of freedom? So 9/11 was about freedom? Wow, just wow. I can't believe you asked this, but now your views all make sense. Yes, that was why we were attacked, because of our freedom. I know it doesn't make sense, but Bin Laden and his followers attacked us because he hated everything we stand for, equal rights for women, protection of gays, democracy, and simply because of the fact that we are not an Islamic theocracy. He hated all of the west and our culture. He was very clear about that. Why do you think he did it?

Who has Hamas attacked in the US? Or Hezbollah? Nobody yet, but they do make it clear that they hate America. If they were to succeed in their goal of killing all the Jews in Israel, they would then focus on us. Just because Hamas and Hezbollah haven't attacked the US, does that mean they are OK? Just because they haven't attacked us, does that mean we should just look the other way while they try and commit genocide against the Jewish people?

I live in the US and I believe we should stand up to evil both at home and abroad. When people are killed here because of their religion, race, or sexual identity, it is evil and we should eliminate it. I'm talking about Israel because it is a whole country and about half of the Jews left in the world that is trying to be eliminated. I haven't been to a college protest, but I would not feel safe if I tried to express my opinion anywhere near them. People have been assaulted for doing this. However, what's worse, is that Hamas and Hezbollah see the protests and it motivates them to continue to kill even more.

Arguing with yourself again, huh?

Please quote directly where I said 10/7 was not a tragedy or that Jews cannot defend themselves. Any failure to cite a line is just another example of you making things up.

I am glad you admit never having been to Israel and that you and the rest of the right have no idea what's going on. Here's what a Jewish American and former Israeli resident says.

Sen. Bernie Sanders Has Become a Leading Critic of Israel’s War in Gaza » Senator Bernie Sanders

By: Kevin McCallum; Seven Days In April, when U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) stepped up to the microphone on the Senate floor to denounce Israel’s war in Gaza, he brought along visual aids. On his right was a large photograph of an infant swaddled in a white blanket, with a face gaunt from...

www.sanders.senate.gov

You accuse proudly Jewish Americans of antisemitism, and it's sickening. What has anyone "on the left" said any differently?

But it gets so much worse for you.

You then call Netanyahu "President" and say we can only believe the Hamas charter and not their communications. Why?

Bin Laden attacked the US because, in his own words, of US stationing of troops in Saudi Arabia. Had nothing to do with anything you mentioned, but it is hilarious that you think in 2001 that gays were protected in the US- you realize DADT was in place at that time and the military was firing desperately needed Arabic translators because they were gay? If he hated the West, why not attack a 10x more progressive country like the Netherlands, that in 2001 had gay marriage already, legal prostitution, etc? A woman today in Colombia has more rights than an American one. You are just spewing right wing pablum, where America is the second greatest country (ofc Israel #1!). What Bin Laden did was heinous but it wasn't about anything but his crazed views and had nothing to do with the (perceived, increasingly lacking) freedoms in this country.

I was at RU during the Iraq War and plenty of people on campus were doing what you're doing now- rehashing John Bolton foreign policy, nibbling at the edge of Islamophobia while taking big bites every so often, claiming US foreign policy revolved around Israel, etc. How did that go?

What happened is because you and others on the right are so hyperfocused on Israel that you let a massive right wing antisemitism flourish.

Sorry not sorry that I put the lives of American Jews peacefully praying in a Pittsburgh synagogue over Hamas, Hezbollah, or anything going on outside of this country. What happened to America First? Ah yes- it's inconvenient when right wing Americans engage in terrorism, in Pittsburgh, Charlottsville, Poway, Jan 6, among countless others- so let's talk about Israel instead. It's easy to condemn terrorism when the knife is in a brown hand, but so hard when it's in a white one. That's what this is about. Trying to make an 18 year old on a college quad repeating what Bernie Sanders and other proud Jewish Americans say everyday into antisemitism. It trivializes the lives of all Americans, especially Jews, and trivializes Israeli ones in the process. There is a reason why anti semites like Stefanik call Jan 6 terrorists "hostages." Why you're happy to let that pass while railing on a college student is obvious to me but sad nonetheless.

 

[Knight177lb]

Arguing with yourself again, huh?

Please quote directly where I said 10/7 was not a tragedy or that Jews cannot defend themselves. Any failure to cite a line is just another example of you making things up.

I am glad you admit never having been to Israel and that you and the rest of the right have no idea what's going on. Here's what a Jewish American and former Israeli resident says.

Sen. Bernie Sanders Has Become a Leading Critic of Israel’s War in Gaza » Senator Bernie Sanders

By: Kevin McCallum; Seven Days In April, when U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) stepped up to the microphone on the Senate floor to denounce Israel’s war in Gaza, he brought along visual aids. On his right was a large photograph of an infant swaddled in a white blanket, with a face gaunt from...

www.sanders.senate.gov

You accuse proudly Jewish Americans of antisemitism, and it's sickening. What has anyone "on the left" said any differently?

But it gets so much worse for you.

You then call Netanyahu "President" and say we can only believe the Hamas charter and not their communications. Why?

Bin Laden attacked the US because, in his own words, of US stationing of troops in Saudi Arabia. Had nothing to do with anything you mentioned, but it is hilarious that you think in 2001 that gays were protected in the US- you realize DADT was in place at that time and the military was firing desperately needed Arabic translators because they were gay? If he hated the West, why not attack a 10x more progressive country like the Netherlands, that in 2001 had gay marriage already, legal prostitution, etc? A woman today in Colombia has more rights than an American one. You are just spewing right wing pablum, where America is the second greatest country (ofc Israel #1!). What Bin Laden did was heinous but it wasn't about anything but his crazed views and had nothing to do with the (perceived, increasingly lacking) freedoms in this country.

I was at RU during the Iraq War and plenty of people on campus were doing what you're doing now- rehashing John Bolton foreign policy, nibbling at the edge of Islamophobia while taking big bites every so often, claiming US foreign policy revolved around Israel, etc. How did that go?

What happened is because you and others on the right are so hyperfocused on Israel that you let a massive right wing antisemitism flourish.

Sorry not sorry that I put the lives of American Jews peacefully praying in a Pittsburgh synagogue over Hamas, Hezbollah, or anything going on outside of this country. What happened to America First? Ah yes- it's inconvenient when right wing Americans engage in terrorism, in Pittsburgh, Charlottsville, Poway, Jan 6, among countless others- so let's talk about Israel instead. It's easy to condemn terrorism when the knife is in a brown hand, but so hard when it's in a white one. That's what this is about. Trying to make an 18 year old on a college quad repeating what Bernie Sanders and other proud Jewish Americans say everyday into antisemitism. It trivializes the lives of all Americans, especially Jews, and trivializes Israeli ones in the process. There is a reason why anti semites like Stefanik call Jan 6 terrorists "hostages." Why you're happy to let that pass while railing on a college student is obvious to me but sad nonetheless.

Here we go again with the whataboutism. You keep on repeating Pittsburgh, Charlottsville, Poway, and January 6th. Let me make this perfectly clear for you - They are all evil acts and we should eliminate evil. Anyone who kills someone or attempts to kill someone because of racism should be eliminated. I don't care if they're white or not.

Now that you understand how I feel about racism, the evil acts you mention do not make it OK for Hamas to do whatever they want. There's a growing swell of antisemitism going on in the world and I feel I have to say something. That's why I talk about Israel. You're so upset that I fail to mention Pittsburgh every time we talk, but you never mention all the deaths of Arabs in Yemen and Syria. and neither does the media. That just screams racism.

Now that you bring up the left/right, It's true that there are racist on the right, but not everyone on the right is racist. Most on the left are anti-Israel, but not all. Why is that? Is it possible that there are some of the left have looked at the facts and stopped believing the Hamas propaganda? Bernie is a decent man, but he's unaware of a lot of facts. He does believe that Israel has a right to exist and he's upset about the deaths of civilians. Unfortunately, he's pointing the blame at the wrong side. There would be no deaths if Hamas didn't attack.

Here's what Bin Laden believed:
Bin Laden criticized the U.S. for its secular form of governance, calling upon Americans to convert to Islam and reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury, in a letter published in late 2002. Bin Laden believed that the Islamic world was in crisis and that the complete restoration of Sharia law would be the only way to set things right in the Muslim world. He opposed such alternatives as secular government, as well as pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, and democracy. He subscribed to the Athari (literalist) school of Islamic theology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama...former CIA analyst,Muslims in the Middle East.

 

[DJ Spanky]

You're so upset that I fail to mention Pittsburgh every time we talk, but you never mention all the deaths of Arabs in Yemen and Syria. and neither does the media. That just screams racism.

Not to take this off on a tangent, but if we were to really talk about some horrific, let's get into the subject of what China is doing to the Uyghurs. But of course that never, ever gets mentioned.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Here we go again with the whataboutism. You keep on repeating Pittsburgh, Charlottsville, Poway, and January 6th. Let me make this perfectly clear for you - They are all evil acts and we should eliminate evil. Anyone who kills someone or attempts to kill someone because of racism should be eliminated. I don't care if they're white or not.

Now that you understand how I feel about racism, the evil acts you mention do not make it OK for Hamas to do whatever they want. There's a growing swell of antisemitism going on in the world and I feel I have to say something. That's why I talk about Israel. You're so upset that I fail to mention Pittsburgh every time we talk, but you never mention all the deaths of Arabs in Yemen and Syria. and neither does the media. That just screams racism.

Now that you bring up the left/right, It's true that there are racist on the right, but not everyone on the right is racist. Most on the left are anti-Israel, but not all. Why is that? Is it possible that there are some of the left have looked at the facts and stopped believing the Hamas propaganda? Bernie is a decent man, but he's unaware of a lot of facts. He does believe that Israel has a right to exist and he's upset about the deaths of civilians. Unfortunately, he's pointing the blame at the wrong side. There would be no deaths if Hamas didn't attack.

Here's what Bin Laden believed:
Bin Laden criticized the U.S. for its secular form of governance, calling upon Americans to convert to Islam and reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury, in a letter published in late 2002. Bin Laden believed that the Islamic world was in crisis and that the complete restoration of Sharia law would be the only way to set things right in the Muslim world. He opposed such alternatives as secular government, as well as pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, and democracy. He subscribed to the Athari (literalist) school of Islamic theology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#:~:text=According to former CIA analyst,Muslims in the Middle East.

Ok. And as Americans, which one is the more immediate threat?

Is it more rational as an American to be concerned by what happens in Pittsburgh, or what happens in Yemen? No offense to Yemen, but seems obvious to me.

Also, what happens in Yemen has nothing to do with Jewish Americans using their First Amendment rights to condemn Israel's behavior.

"Most on the left are anti-Israel"...let's go to a fact check. Please provide evidence of antisemitism from the following- failure to do so would be a concession that that is fabricated:

- Chuck Schumer
- Joe Biden
- Kamala Harris
- Bernie Sanders
- Adam Schiff
- Nancy Pelosi

I can give you more if you like.

What did Bin Laden say about US troops in Saudi? You ignore that.

Why didn't Bin Laden attack any of the far more liberal, far more democratic, far more atheist Western Countries? You ignore that.

Here's more for you to ignore (from presumably anti-Semitic Israeli media) of the world's greatest democracy breaking the law to imperil its own citizens (again).

Leaked 'Hamas documents' suggest Netanyahu ran influence campaign. Target: Israelis

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www.haaretz.com

 

[NotInRHouse]

Not to take this off on a tangent, but if we were to really talk about some horrific, let's get into the subject of what China is doing to the Uyghurs. But of course that never, ever gets mentioned.

It was literally in this thread, when he falsely claimed there were no college protests about that...and I found several examples.

Sadly we even have a felon in this country who praised Xi's genocide. I agree with you- what kind of sicko would support him?

 

[Knight177lb]

Ok. And as Americans, which one is the more immediate threat?

Is it more rational as an American to be concerned by what happens in Pittsburgh, or what happens in Yemen? No offense to Yemen, but seems obvious to me.

Also, what happens in Yemen has nothing to do with Jewish Americans using their First Amendment rights to condemn Israel's behavior.

"Most on the left are anti-Israel"...let's go to a fact check. Please provide evidence of antisemitism from the following- failure to do so would be a concession that that is fabricated:

- Chuck Schumer
- Joe Biden
- Kamala Harris
- Bernie Sanders
- Adam Schiff
- Nancy Pelosi

I can give you more if you like.

What did Bin Laden say about US troops in Saudi? You ignore that.

Why didn't Bin Laden attack any of the far more liberal, far more democratic, far more atheist Western Countries? You ignore that.

Here's more for you to ignore (from presumably anti-Semitic Israeli media) of the world's greatest democracy breaking the law to imperil its own citizens (again).

Leaked 'Hamas documents' suggest Netanyahu ran influence campaign. Target: Israelis

***

www.haaretz.com

Why don't the lives of Yemen citizens count? They're human beings.

Funny you should mention Harris. She actually came out and said that she supports Israel and she wouldn't allow a Palestinian group to speak at the Democratic National Convention. As a result of that and these ridiculous anti-Israel protests calling Biden genocide Joe, many anti-Israel protesters decided not to vote or vote for Jill Stein. I don't know if that made the difference in the election results, but here we are.

Are you defending Bin Laden?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Why don't the lives of Yemen citizens count? They're human beings.

Funny you should mention Harris. She actually came out and said that she supports Israel and she wouldn't allow a Palestinian group to speak at the Democratic National Convention. As a result of that and these ridiculous anti-Israel protests calling Biden genocide Joe, many anti-Israel protesters decided not to vote or vote for Jill Stein. I don't know if that made the difference in the election results, but here we are.

Are you defending Bin Laden?

They count. But I have to prioritize myself.

I am pointing out Bin Laden's actual comments which you left out of the entirety of for your narrative.

But you should be thrilled- now Israel will have free hand to turn Gaza into a settlement. I was reading for example that 15% of settlers are American citizens. Perhaps you can join? Leave a Christian nationalist fascist country for a Jewish one. Jared will cut you a deal on a condo. And Dearborn, well, now they brought Palestine to likely joining Yugoslavia on the map. I feel bad for Palestinians and Israelis over there. I will feel zero sympathy for Dearborn when they have a travel ban. And bonus for you, anyone protesting next year probably just gets shot by the military. While I don't agree students didn't turn out, if they didn't for that reason, again, they've reaped what they've sown.

I guess not responding to Netanyahu's violation of Israeli law makes sense. Why bother? He is above law, laws don't matter in fascist countries for the leaders.

 

[Knight177lb]

So, since we had troops in Saudi Arabia, we deserved to be attacked by Bin Laden?

Israel had Jews living in Gaza prior to 2005, then they pulled out and forced Israeli Jews to leave their homes. This was a peace offering., but it was rejected as Hamas came to power and started trying to murder Jews with rockets. So, building homes for Jews in Gaza is not a goal for Israel.

I didn't respond to the Netanyahu comment because I couldn't read the article. It was behind a paywall.

 

[NotInRHouse]

So, since we had troops in Saudi Arabia, we deserved to be attacked by Bin Laden?

Israel had Jews living in Gaza prior to 2005, then they pulled out and forced Israeli Jews to leave their homes. This was a peace offering., but it was rejected as Hamas came to power and started trying to murder Jews with rockets. So, building homes for Jews in Gaza is not a goal for Israel.

I didn't respond to the Netanyahu comment because I couldn't read the article. It was behind a paywall.

No, I am just telling you what Bin Laden believed rather than what right wing media says.

Ben Gvir and others have said they want to settle Gaza. I am happy to provide you links for that and the Netanyahu leaks story if you have not seen them.

 

[Knight177lb]

No, I am just telling you what Bin Laden believed rather than what right wing media says.

Ben Gvir and others have said they want to settle Gaza. I am happy to provide you links for that and the Netanyahu leaks story if you have not seen them.

Gaza was completely ethnically cleansed of all Jews since 2005. Israel would have absolutely no troops there if Israel wasn't attacked on October 7th, but keep pushing your conspiracy theories. They're obviously gaining traction. Now we have Jews being attacked in Amsterdam and wanted posters of Jewish staff being hung at University of Rochester. It's only going to get worse. Is that what we really need?

Why don't you change your strategy? Stop blaming Israel and place the blame on the root cause of the problem, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. You're just encouraging more violence against Jews.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Gaza was completely ethnically cleansed of all Jews since 2005. Israel would have absolutely no troops there if Israel wasn't attacked on October 7th, but keep pushing your conspiracy theories. They're obviously gaining traction. Now we have Jews being attacked in Amsterdam and wanted posters of Jewish staff being hung at University of Rochester. It's only going to get worse. Is that what we really need?

Why don't you change your strategy? Stop blaming Israel and place the blame on the root cause of the problem, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. You're just encouraging more violence against Jews.

LOL. Are you claiming Israel doesn't control security for Gaza and the West Bank?

How is supporting Bernie Sanders encouraging violence against Jews?

Your strategy of calling everything and everyone- especially Jews- anti-Semitic- has failed. Now with Netanyahu having a new crime and investigation basically every week, and him having to testify next month, what will the new line be? You have already called Jewish American politicians and journalists anti-Semitic. I have no doubt you have that same energy for the Israeli Supreme Court and Israeli media.

But your conspiracy theories get more hilarious come January. I do look forward to Iran bribing your right wing leader. Beautiful territory there, I can see the golf resorts now! Hopefully at least Israel gets a new election and your BFFs Ben Gvir and Smotrich get canned so Israel can get peace though.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Of course this isn't antisemitism is it?

University of Rochester addresses hundreds of 'wanted' posters for Jewish faculty members posted around campus

 

[Knight177lb]

LOL. Are you claiming Israel doesn't control security for Gaza and the West Bank?

How is supporting Bernie Sanders encouraging violence against Jews?

Your strategy of calling everything and everyone- especially Jews- anti-Semitic- has failed. Now with Netanyahu having a new crime and investigation basically every week, and him having to testify next month, what will the new line be? You have already called Jewish American politicians and journalists anti-Semitic. I have no doubt you have that same energy for the Israeli Supreme Court and Israeli media.

But your conspiracy theories get more hilarious come January. I do look forward to Iran bribing your right wing leader. Beautiful territory there, I can see the golf resorts now! Hopefully at least Israel gets a new election and your BFFs Ben Gvir and Smotrich get canned so Israel can get peace though.

Prior to October 7th, there were Jews in Gaza, Hamas was in power and controlled everything.

I didn't mention Bernie Sanders in my last post. Not sure what you're getting at,

All of the leaders of Arab Muslim countries hate Israel. There are 22 of them, so Netanyahu will always be under investigation as long as he's PM. Whoever takes over as PM and attempts self-defense will also be under investigation.

I have no conspiracy theories, I just point out facts. There is a huge amount of racism against Jews around the world. I think that's pretty obvious, just look at history. It's just a fact that I'm pointing out. However, there's no need to spread it. Some of the protesters are not racist, they just don't know the truth. Others are racist and truly want to see all the Jews in Israel killed or removed. I noticed that you didn't mention anything about Amsterdam or Rochester.

There will never be peace as long as Hamas controls Gaza.

You think that Trump is going to build golf courses in Iran? That's a conspiracy theory.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Prior to October 7th, there were Jews in Gaza, Hamas was in power and controlled everything.

I didn't mention Bernie Sanders in my last post. Not sure what you're getting at,

All of the leaders of Arab Muslim countries hate Israel. There are 22 of them, so Netanyahu will always be under investigation as long as he's PM. Whoever takes over as PM and attempts self-defense will also be under investigation.

I have no conspiracy theories, I just point out facts. There is a huge amount of racism against Jews around the world. I think that's pretty obvious, just look at history. It's just a fact that I'm pointing out. However, there's no need to spread it. Some of the protesters are not racist, they just don't know the truth. Others are racist and truly want to see all the Jews in Israel killed or removed. I noticed that you didn't mention anything about Amsterdam or Rochester.

There will never be peace as long as Hamas controls Gaza.

You think that Trump is going to build golf courses in Iran? That's a conspiracy theory.

Are you talking about 2005?

My point is Bernie lived in on a kibbutz and I don't see where his views differ from protesters.

Are you seriously asserting that there is an Israeli deep state plot to take down its leaders, by anti-Semitic Jews, while claiming to be against conspiracies?

Yeah...not like he plans to build them...in Oman, right? Need a link for that? Why is he in business there if everyone is so anti-Semitic?

So all the protesters are wrong....no one can criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic, right?

There's those conspiracies with a deflection to Amsterdam or Rochester while never, ever, taking on the actual conspiracies that led to Pittsburgh or Charlottesville or Poway because they can't somehow deal with an Islamophobic pivot?

 

[Knight177lb]

Are you talking about 2005?

My point is Bernie lived in on a kibbutz and I don't see where his views differ from protesters.

Are you seriously asserting that there is an Israeli deep state plot to take down its leaders, by anti-Semitic Jews, while claiming to be against conspiracies?

Yeah...not like he plans to build them...in Oman, right? Need a link for that? Why is he in business there if everyone is so anti-Semitic?

So all the protesters are wrong....no one can criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic, right?

There's those conspiracies with a deflection to Amsterdam or Rochester while never, ever, taking on the actual conspiracies that led to Pittsburgh or Charlottesville or Poway because they can't somehow deal with an Islamophobic pivot?

Yes, from 2005 until October 7th, Israel was not in Gaza. Israel left and forced all Jews living there to leave as a peace offering. The Gazans were free to do whatever they wanted. Hamas came to power, tortured or killed anyone that opposed them, and started building up arms and terror tunnels. Then launched 10 of thousands of rockets into Israel with the intent to kill as many Jews as possible.

In the last interview I saw with Bernie, he stated that Israel has a right to exist and that they also have a right to defend themselves. Some protesters might believe the same thing, but there are those that do not. A lot of the protests are waving Hamas flags and Hamas wants the complete destruction of Israel. The chant "From the river to the sea" also means the complete destruction of Israel. The founder of BDS wants the complete destruction of Israel. Now, how many of the protesters know these things? Not all of them, but there are those that do, so there are protesters that don't agree with Bernie.

I've never asserted there is an Israeli deep state. Like I said, I just state facts.

You can criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic, but there are those that criticize Israel because they are anti-Semitic. Was Pittsburgh a conspiracy? I thought it was just one guy. In any case, yes, there are neo-Nazi groups that exist in America, though it's much less than in the past. However, it doesn't mean what's happening in Amsterdam or Rochester is ok. You're using whataboutism again.

So, every time you criticize Hezbollah, you have to mention Pittsburgh otherwise you're being Islamophobic?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Yes, from 2005 until October 7th, Israel was not in Gaza. Israel left and forced all Jews living there to leave as a peace offering. The Gazans were free to do whatever they wanted. Hamas came to power, tortured or killed anyone that opposed them, and started building up arms and terror tunnels. Then launched 10 of thousands of rockets into Israel with the intent to kill as many Jews as possible.

In the last interview I saw with Bernie, he stated that Israel has a right to exist and that they also have a right to defend themselves. Some protesters might believe the same thing, but there are those that do not. A lot of the protests are waving Hamas flags and Hamas wants the complete destruction of Israel. The chant "From the river to the sea" also means the complete destruction of Israel. The founder of BDS wants the complete destruction of Israel. Now, how many of the protesters know these things? Not all of them, but there are those that do, so there are protesters that don't agree with Bernie.

I've never asserted there is an Israeli deep state. Like I said, I just state facts.

You can criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic, but there are those that criticize Israel because they are anti-Semitic. Was Pittsburgh a conspiracy? I thought it was just one guy. In any case, yes, there are neo-Nazi groups that exist in America, though it's much less than in the past. However, it doesn't mean what's happening in Amsterdam or Rochester is ok. You're using whataboutism again.

So, every time you criticize Hezbollah, you have to mention Pittsburgh otherwise you're being Islamophobic?

Do you not see a problem with pinning Hamas on all Gazans, or the views of some protesters on all?

You don't state facts. Facts would be for example, Netanyahu helped fund Hamas, he's under investigation for:

1. Altering phone records as to when he was informed of the 11/7 attacks
2. Releasing classified documents that endangered the hostages
3. The Israeli Supreme Court has found his actions could literally starve Gaza

Etc. That is off the top of my head. You don't accept the reality. These are findings by Israelis. What is the issue with them?

The past when? I am a millennial. When in my lifetime were there more synagogue attacks in the US than since 2016?

Yes, I am more concerned with America. Soccer hooligans mocking the death of kids in Gaza, ripping down flags, and then attacking a cab then being attacked themselves is all terrible but won't jeopardize my life like a synagogue shooting would, nor do posters in Rochester, nor the lives of Jewish Americans.

I would say in your case- you admit you are not Jewish or Israeli but are hyper focused on organizations, that, by your own admission, have never launched an attack on US soil, while saying "the Arabs" this and that...yeah...sounds extremely Islamophobic. I'm someone that is a dual citizen, and yet, living here in the US, I am most frightened by, in my view what should be unsurprising- deadly attacks on the US. Of course, I condemn deadly violence wherever it is, but I am most concerned about this country. Why should any American not lead off with that? And it's not like Pittsburgh was exactly a one off, it it was part of a pattern of deadly terrorism brought by believers in the anti-Semitic Great Replacement Theory. Being unconcerned and dismissive of that while trying to lump millions of people, including Jewish Americans, in with terrorist groups on the other side of the world is at best odd. And, you would be quite unhappy if the entire right was lumped in with the Pittsburgh attacker or Jan 6 attackers wearing "Camp Auschwitz" gear, I am quite sure.