Rutgers Rebuild too Big Job for first Time Rookie HC and Staff??

[BlockR]

first off,Flood allmost destroyed the program with his below MAC level recruiting for his last two seasons.All of the fans who defended Floods recruiting and landing low talent recruits who "'were glad to be at Rutgers"",well now you see the results and the star rating system overall works in the end game.
So is this rebuild mess at Rutgers too big a job for a rookie first time head coach and staff,much of the staff being first time head Cords on each side of the ball?? Not only will it take two to three full recruiting classes ,and the battle to obtain and then retain talent in face of two-three win seasons upcoming,but this staff must coach up lesser talent and depth on current roster as first time Head Coaches and Cords up and down the roster,in what could be the best football conference in the nation.
Maybe too big of a task to ask this staff..and maybe this was a a mistake by Hobbs and budget minded Rutgers?

 

[jor22]

Ash will get it done but you wont notice a vast improvement till year 3,

 

[rutgersal]

this was no mistake. this was a well thought out plan for the long haul and our budget constraints. Sit back and relax. this season and next season are throwaways. Year 3 is where we should see some results.

 

[DanoRU]

Ashe's resume is the same as Schiano's when he was hired but the program was in much worse shape when Schiano took over. Nobody should be judging the current coach on anything this year other than seeing if the team is better at the end of the year than the beginning. Personally, I'll start forming my opinion in year 3 of Ashe's tenure.

 

[mikemarc1]

Not at all.

I'd rather have young, energetic rookie staff to lead the rebuild.

 

[RU#1fan]

I have faith in Ash.
His staff....no so sure.
The OC appears to be in way over his head.
Let's see how the season plays out.

 

[BlockR]

will not help keeping recruits or obtaining recruits with 2-3 win seasons.Maryland with first year rookie head coach is 4-0..right down the road..

 

[RuBird]

first off,Flood allmost destroyed the program with his below MAC level recruiting for his last two seasons.All of the fans who defended Floods recruiting and landing low talent recruits who "'were glad to be at Rutgers"",well now you see the results and the star rating system overall works in the end game.
So is this rebuild mess at Rutgers too big a job for a rookie first time head coach and staff,much of the staff being first time head Cords on each side of the ball?? Not only will it take two to three full recruiting classes ,and the battle to obtain and then retain talent in face of two-three win seasons upcoming,but this staff must coach up lesser talent and depth on current roster as first time Head Coaches and Cords up and down the roster,in what could be the best football conference in the nation.
Maybe too big of a task to ask this staff..and maybe this was a a mistake by Hobbs and budget minded Rutgers?

"Coach up lesser talent". OK I will play. How do you coach up CL. Plays were designed all season long and he can't hit his receivers consistently. How do you coach Patton and TEs to catch balls that are no where to be perfectly thrown but at times are catchable and dropped. How can you coach up a kicker who can't connect from longer than 40.

Let's face it many of these players would not be starting if it was not for the lack of depth

 

[RUMcMahon]

This is funny considering Schiano was a rookie coach and the program was in MUCH worse shape.

Step back from the ledge and give Ash and Co more then 5 games to evaluate.

 

[Knight Shift]

For goodness sake, can we stop with the what if and sky is falling posts?
We lost to a juggernaut tOSU. BFD. We looked a lot better than Stanford did against UW. Are Stanford fans questioning David Shaw's hiring? Maybe UW and tOSU are THAT good, and we are NOT that good. Is this some kind of revelation?

Jim Harbaugh's Stanford teams were 4-8 and 5-7 in his first two years, and in year two they got blown out by a crappy Arizona State. He's a terrible coach, isn't he.
Sonny Dykes at Cal was 1-11 in his first year and they got thrashed by a crappy Oregon State. Cal just beat #18 Utah last night.

What is the point of the OP? Should we consider firing Chris Ash and starting over? No, that's not going to happen.
Patience. It's a process. And it may get worse before it gets better. Let's see how we fare against the middling B1G team before freaking out, OK? And even if we do not do well, I am still behind Coach Ash and the team. It's year 1.

 

[RobertG]

will not help keeping recruits or obtaining recruits with 2-3 win seasons.Maryland with first year rookie head coach is 4-0..right down the road..

Maryland has played: Howard, UCF, FIU and Purdue. RU has played: #10 Washington, #2 OSU, Howard and, New Mexico.

 

[ArminRU]

We've had pages and pages of discussion about this topic and the overall rebuild prior to the season starting. We all agreed that it will take a few years. Ash has been doing everything right so far.

So why do we still get these threads the day after we lose to OSU, 4 games into Ash's rebuild?

 

[IL Lusciato]

I am behind Ash, and like most of the staff, I'm unsure about OC though. I did hear some negatives aviut him before the year started from those involved in cfb circles. We will see.

 

[rutgersdave]

will not help keeping recruits or obtaining recruits with 2-3 win seasons.Maryland with first year rookie head coach is 4-0..right down the road..

Yes, but if you look at their recruiting under Edsall, they were still getting 3-4 4 star recruits every year. They probably have an offensive line with all 4-5 star players.

Maryland recruited 2013 4 4 stars 1 5 stars, 2014 3 4 stars,1 5 stars, and 2015 3 4 stars, and 2016 4 4 stars. Rutgers had 1 4 stars in the same 4 years and I believe he gone.

 

[RuBird]

We've had pages and pages of discussion about this topic and the overall rebuild prior to the season starting. We all agreed that it will take a few years. Ash has been doing everything right so far.

So why do we still get these threads the day after we lose to OSU, 4 games into Ash's rebuild?

Problem is not sure if "all agreed". Some still expected Hobbs to pay millions more than Ash was given and they assumed immediate results. I like to call that the unrealistic instant gratification folks

 

[ArminRU]

Problem is not sure if "all agreed". Some still expected Hobbs to pay millions more than Ash was given and they assumed immediate results. I like to call that the unrealistic instant gratification folks

Oh yes, the Chip Kelly and Mark Richt dreamers. How could I forget.

 

[Knight Shift]

We've had pages and pages of discussion about this topic and the overall rebuild prior to the season starting. We all agreed that it will take a few years. Ash has been doing everything right so far.

So why do we still get these threads the day after we lose to OSU, 4 games into Ash's rebuild?

Because we have a board full of front running drama queens?
Don't know what folks were expecting this year against tOSU and UW. We'll see multiple posts like the original post not only after every big loss, but every time we are down by more than 20 points in the middle of a game.

 

[ArminRU]

Because we have a board full of front running drama queens?
Don't know what folks were expecting this year against tOSU and UW. We'll see multiple posts like the original post not only after every big loss, but every time we are down by more than 20 points in the middle of a game.

Pretty much. Never seen such a group of unreasonable drama queens who really just want a chance to complain.

 

[garyrc70]

will not help keeping recruits or obtaining recruits with 2-3 win seasons.Maryland with first year rookie head coach is 4-0..right down the road..

Maryland has a much better QB and probably overall better talent. But RU would probably be 4-0 with the same early season schedule...

 

[JQRU91]

In the long run we should be fine with Ash. For those who can't stomach the rebuilding process, maybe you can tune out and check back in a couple of years.

 

[RUInsanity]

will not help keeping recruits or obtaining recruits with 2-3 win seasons.Maryland with first year rookie head coach is 4-0..right down the road..

Did you really just post this without looking at the schedules or are you just an idiot?

 

[RoxboroughKnight]

I think Ash gets it done here. I know it's frustrating for long time fans that it will take some time, but what happened to our program the past few years wasn't his fault. All he can do is build it back up.

 

[rutgersdave]

In the long run we should be fine with Ash. For those who can't stomach the rebuilding process, maybe you can tune out and check back in a couple of years.

I don't watch any of the games against Michigan or Ohio State, it's only gets you mad.

 

[RAA-1]

We kept OSU to its season average of 57 points per game (ok almost as 58 is close enough). And that is with no offense so that OSU had the ball for most of the game.

No QB, no WR other than Harris that can get open, most of our TEs and WRs can't catch if they happen to be open and a defense that is on the field for most of the game. On top of that, our LB group is sub-par.

The good news is the play of the secondary as well as better tackling overall.

As to comments concerning Maryland: in the recruiting classes of 2016, 2015 & 2014, Maryland landed 10 - 4* players and 1 - 5 * while RU signed 1 - 4*. That is one folks. What a difference in talent that the 2 new coaches have to work with.

 

[greenknight]

If anyone canot get excited how we are now actually playing defense rather than standing back 20 yds off ball and letting up completion after completion than you'll never get excited for anything.

The defense just plain and simple wore down because the offense just sucks without a QB. We are a one trick pony with traps up the middle. That needs to change. We need a QB that can throw. If we cant throw we won't be able to run. Our WRS are pretty weak as well

 

[BlockR]

Did you really just post this without looking at the schedules or are you just an idiot?

When we win a B10 game under ,whomever it may be against,then It can be called an idiot post..untill then Maryland has a B10 win.We have played Howard and New Mexico..Maryland has played Howard and UCF

 

[RUBOB72]

Say what you wish about Chris Ash...He is open and honest about this team , the staff and how they played...no sugar on top ...fluff ...doesn't publicly throw anyone under the bus...accepts the blame...and continues with a positive vibe not an excuse guy...year 3 will tell a lot about if we are a team which can compete in the B1G east side of the conference.

 

[RUBOB72]

When we win a B10 game under ,whomever it may be against,then It can be called an idiot post..untill then Maryland has a B10 win.We have played Howard and New Mexico..Maryland has played Howard and UCF

Maryland has also played Purdue and Florida Int'l...I would say we possibly would be 4-0 against those football Titans...let Maryland play... OSU...Washington and see what that squeaky clean record would be...it wouldn't be 4-0 I can promise you that...You would be delusional to think otherwise...if we had a QB we might even be 3-2 now and we are behind Maryland in talent at this point.

 

[KevH]

will not help keeping recruits or obtaining recruits with 2-3 win seasons.Maryland with first year rookie head coach is 4-0..right down the road..

Who has Maryland played? Who has Rutgers played (and with no bye week, btw)?

Maryland: Howard, FIU, UCF, bye week, Purdue
Rutgers: Washington, Howard, New Mexico, Iowa, Ohio State

Let's see where we are at season's end. I am concerned about our injuries and lack of depth, though.

 

[RUSK97]

I have faith in Ash.
His staff....no so sure.
The OC appears to be in way over his head.
Let's see how the season plays out.

I don't know why more people can't acknowledge that Ash and his staff are not one inseperable unit. I too think Ash has what it takes, but he took an expensive gamble on a rookie WR coach. Right now, DM is a mess, but I hope he is learning quickly. Problem is, he learned to do things a certain way and like most kids, he can't adjust to the situation because he lacks the experience.

 

[Caliknight]

The collective football IQ of our fanbase is very low. You'd have thought it would be much higher at this point.

 

[mildone]

Ashe's resume is the same as Schiano's when he was hired but the program was in much worse shape when Schiano took over. Nobody should be judging the current coach on anything this year other than seeing if the team is better at the end of the year than the beginning. Personally, I'll start forming my opinion in year 3 of Ashe's tenure.

Is my position too. I've said all along that I'm giving the new staff a full season before I even start judging them. They ARE young and they will go through some growing pains. But they know the game and connect with the players (and some recruits - lets hope that continues).

I can already see improvement (obviously not in the OSU game, but across the first four games). But Ash and crew can only improve the team so much without improving recruiting. Just a fact of CFB life. We have to get better are recruiting. Better even than Schiano who couldn't get us over the recruiting hump in the Big East.

 

[mildone]

We've had pages and pages of discussion about this topic and the overall rebuild prior to the season starting. We all agreed that it will take a few years. Ash has been doing everything right so far.

So why do we still get these threads the day after we lose to OSU, 4 games into Ash's rebuild?

I know, right? It's frustrating.

Is not helping that we have at least one, maybe two, trolls doing the 24/7 negativity dance on our board. But I say we have fun w/them. The only way to beat a troll is through asymmetric response. Counter-troll tactics 101.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Step back from the ledge and give Ash and Co more then 5 games to evaluate.

Doesn't matter. Folks here were all over Schiano right from the start. But keep in mind... Schiano switched up assistants from season to season. For lack of performance AND because we showed enough on the field to make some of them appealing to others.. even the NFL. Not sure where Mehringer will equate to.. I hope his departure will signal some great success on his part here... but as of now.. well.. there are questions.

 

[mildone]

I don't know why more people can't acknowledge that Ash and his staff are not one inseperable unit. I too think Ash has what it takes, but he took an expensive gamble on a rookie WR coach. Right now, DM is a mess, but I hope he is learning quickly. Problem is, he learned to do things a certain way and like most kids, he can't adjust to the situation because he lacks the experience.

I am unconvinced that DM is a mess. He's young and he's learning and he's smart as hell. Give him some play-makers and he'll do just fine.

 

[miketd1]

Digital Prozac for everyone

 

[TM514]

Im OK with Ash thus far and program progress. We are NOT in the same condition as year 2000. I do think DM is gone in December he will voluntarily go elsewhere to save his reputation running this gimmick offense

 

[brgRC90]

It seems we have a few posters having panic attacks. Would they have been happy if our offense had scored 7 or 14 points and the team lost 58 to 7 instead of 58 to 0? Or did they really expect this team to be competitive against a juggernaut ohio state in our first rebuilding year, and that without our only real play maker?

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Did you say that about Schiano when we were worse than we are now?

 

[rutgersdave]

Did you say that about Schiano when we were worse than we are now?

I didn't mind winning only 1 game in early Schiano years 2012-2013. I saw how hard the player played and they didn't lose normally till the second half due to the depth of the other team.