no one will ever know....Freeman and to a lesser extent Sanders were not the best chemistry guys
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no one will ever know....Freeman and to a lesser extent Sanders were not the best chemistry guys
They weren't perfect but they kept us from being an embarassingly bad team. You can't assume we become a way worse team and then attract stud recruits. Logic says that it wouldn't have happened. You're clueless lol
Scangg, FIG may have a penchant for the negative (he is an acquired tasted, you just need to develop an appreciation for him) but he is always polite. No need for name calling.
I get the argument against my point of view. I just find it stunning that people think the concept of us parting ways with a guy who won 6 regular season conference game as PG in 3 years, who had numerous discipline issues, who didnt mesh with teammates off floor, who didnt work out with team in the offseason, who had no perimeter shot and leaving after 3 years and leaving a team who will be picked last again (which will be wrong) is ridiculous.
I get the disagreeing, but saying I have gone off the deep end....
Just do everyone a favor and give it a rest. Corey's gone. Anyone that's spent 10 minutes on this board over the last 3 years has read your anti-Corey bullet points about a thousand times. We get it.
Unfortunately no threads would make sense because you are responsible for every other post.
And Corey is gone but he still wants to take shots at him on this board...smh
All I did was take exception to the notion that Pikiell had no choice but to have a down year in Year 3.
Was I wrong to interject the fact there was another path that was not taken?
Was I wrong to interject the fact there was another path that was not taken?
There is no consensus on Year 3 being a down year. I don't see it that way. I see better options at 3 of the 4 positions were individual players were lost....Center, PF, and SG.
IMO, We only take a hit at PG with losing Sanders because he put pressure on the opposing defense. I think We lose several bad shooters and gain 3 better shooters.
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You sound like such a dick in this post.
Someone takes a shot at fig at least once a day. I don’t even think his point is that far off. Maybe Pikiell would have been better off starting with his own. It’s an interesting discussion. But fig, I guess you believe your points with absolute certainty, like they can’t be denied, or people are wrong if they think otherwise.That’s when people start the name calling, which I agree is not right. It would be a better board if five post a day weren’t calling fig out. This board is becoming too predictable with not much room for discussion but only very strong opinions.
It's very simple and was pointed out to you in this thread yet you ignore it so people say you have gone off the deep end. We were close to .500 the last two seasons with Corey and won 3 big ten tournament games which created a very nice buzz around the program that is absolutely enourmius for recruiting. Without Corey we would have been a ten win team tops. Probably worse and Pikiel would not have been able to recruit the players he has. That's it. End of discussion. Any argument against that and you have gone off the deep end.
You are correct!
You really did say some “stupid stuff” back then!
Man, my respect for you just went through the roof!!
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Oh, and Fig’s arguments are awful
He can’t believe any of that nonsense he is posting
Team would have blown without Sanders and Freeman.
TD Irish is complaining about us possibly finishing in the basement again this year, and implying that will greatly diminish Pike’s chances here (paraphrasing).
Without Sanders and Freeman, how would Pike have done recruiting after multiple single digit win seasons?
The loonies are out in force on this board.
He can’t believe any of that nonsense he is posting
Team would have blown without Sanders and Freeman.
TD Irish is complaining about us possibly finishing in the basement again this year, and implying that will greatly diminish Pike’s chances here (paraphrasing).
Without Sanders and Freeman, how would Pike have done recruiting after multiple single digit win seasons?
The loonies are out in force on this board.
Do recruits care about the difference between 15 wins finishing last in the Big Ten and 8 wins finishing last in the Big Ten?
I think it is an aggressive assumption to believe Mathis, Carter, Harper, and Myles Johnson all commit to Rutgers had Coach P "torn it down" and put up an Eddie type 9-22 year in his first season.
Yes. They do. It’s an entirely different pitch when you are losing by one in OT at Michigan State and winning two big ten tournament games then it is if you getting blown out in big ten games and no tournament wins plus losing three or four games to mid majors. The first scenario you can sell we are a player or two away from taking the next step which we really are now. The second scenario we need an entire roster overhaul and you have no chance at making the tournament in your four years here.
Yes.
Everything is a hypothetical. How about....
1. What would the team look like if Nigel played 30+ MPG and was given the keys to the offense?
2. Would a grad transfer be had in Year 1?
3. Would Issa have developed more with more opportunities?
4. Would we have a PG on the roster as a sophomore in Year 3?
I don't know the answers to these questions. I think all of this is good debate.
I really don't think we go 9-22 in Year 1. I look at the schedule and my belief that offenses arent efficient without guys making 3s
Nigel was an Eddie recruit. Why wouldn't he have been part of the hypothetical tear down? I am assuming in your hypothetical that Pikiell re-recruits Thiam but runs off Sanders, Nigel, Laurent and Freeman immediately to purge the Eddie regime. Or he runs off Sanders and Nigel and Freeman follow out the door on their own volition as one of those two happen if Pike runs off Corey imo. In that scenario either Thiam or Gettys are RU's best players in Pike Year One. No chance that teams wins more than 9 games. None.
On the other hand Coach P did see Nigel and Laurent out the door. I don't think Coach P had any intention of doing the same with Corey and further I do not believe for one moment he has rethought that decision.
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Probably your last sentence. Sometimes people can't see the forest because of the trees
Year 1 we got off to 11-1 start. In those 11 wins Corey scored 110 points 10PPG.
I do remember facing a lot of zone AND Corey doing a very good job running the offense and being patient and not forcing things.
I do remember facing a lot of zone AND Corey doing a very good job running the offense and being patient and not forcing things.
Again all speculation AND very good question.
My original thought was not offering Shoes a spot and seeing where dust settles. I'd assume Sanders would go and Nigel would have stayed.
No doubt this is monday morning QB. Nigel and Corey gone would be 7-8 wins.
I realize I am playing a little fantasy football choosing my lineup.
Fig, what is the goal of the speculation?
Again, to see if Pikiell was right or wrong in making the decisions he did, right?
I do not see the point in analyzing the past so heavily to see if someone was right or wrong.
Question- wins and losses aside, did Sanders with athleticism and dunks bring back any kind of excitement to the RAC?Something that was and is desperately needed. I think he did. For that, credit him.
Players want exciting playmakers. There is also a good chance that people saw Corey's game, and came here because they could see themselves fitting in well with them.
A complete rebuild might of meant the program shutting down for a year. Is that possible in college hoops? It rarely, if ever happens. It's just not realistic.
Again, to see if Pikiell was right or wrong in making the decisions he did, right?
I do not see the point in analyzing the past so heavily to see if someone was right or wrong.
Question- wins and losses aside, did Sanders with athleticism and dunks bring back any kind of excitement to the RAC?Something that was and is desperately needed. I think he did. For that, credit him.
Players want exciting playmakers. There is also a good chance that people saw Corey's game, and came here because they could see themselves fitting in well with them.
A complete rebuild might of meant the program shutting down for a year. Is that possible in college hoops? It rarely, if ever happens. It's just not realistic.
Seriously FIG, you are overly negative. If you were at the games it is easy to see that Geo was asked to do A LOT as a frosh. A LOT.
If our 4 star recruits play in their freshman year like Geo played in his, I will be EXTREMELY happy, and we will win. Geo played at a 4 star level his freshman year.
Yes they do! Recruits want to see progress, and hope, and a few big emotional wins and a competitive run in the B1G tourney.
I thought I read RU (or Pike) cannot afford to finish in last place again this coming year, no?
TD there once was a private in the Army who didn’t like his commanding officer. One day the private said to him Sir what would you do if I called you a stupid ass. Commanding officer said well I would probably have to court martial you. The private then said Sir what if I were thinking you are a stupid ass. Commanding officer replied if you were thinking that I couldn’t do anything about it. Private then said well Sir I think your a stupid ass. Moral of story is sometimes words can be interpreted differently. Enjoy the week end
Ahhh yeah...like 2 yrs ago.
The guy obviously knows basketball but at the same time he makes posts that suggest he doesn't. I can't figure it out.
Clearly his intentions are in the right place but some of his posts are asinine.
Based on what logic???...still haven't seen any supporting information yet it still keeps popping up as some sort of narrative....if the fans can identify what grad transfers have landed elsewhere in the B1G and what recruits are arriving elsewhere, it would be viewed as support for the argument...
What exactly happens to the program opening a practice facility in summer of 2019, has a Head coach extended to i believe 2024, 7 underclassmen getting quality minutes this season?
Other than being a ticked off fan, if there was any evidence supporting your statement, roll it out here....explain how the 2019 recruits already signed for Year 4 will be impacted by this.....explain how the 2020 kids that are being recruited this summer, are viewing the staff and program. There are far more dialed in regional and national recruiting analysts that said at least 2 dozen times, that the program is 100% on track, ahead of schedule and involved with a lot of the right targets.
Or my question becomes what happens if RU doesn't finish last....does that mean 3 4* players automatically pick RU for 2020....if RU finishes 11th, are we automatically pegged for 6th or 7th the next season...??
Do you know who Northwestern added this spring signing period....??? Who landed at Penn State as a transfer....?? What about the 2 transfers at Ohio State..??
Living in a vacuum is a usual theme of fanbases.....
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There needs to be some tangible progress in Year 3.
It doesn't have to be earth shattering----winning another 2 conference games------passing 1 or 2 teams in the standings.
That IMO isn't a ton to ask for and it allows the staff to go after kids and continue the " we're getting better " narrative and point to things that kids can see.
There needs to be some tangible progress in Year 3.
It doesn't have to be earth shattering----winning another 2 conference games------passing 1 or 2 teams in the standings.
That IMO isn't a ton to ask for and it allows the staff to go after kids and continue the " we're getting better " narrative and point to things that kids can see.
Asinine?
Everything I have posted is logical. I am not saying I saw a UFO.
The feedback I am getting here is eerily similar to the many conversations I had 18 years ago talking people out of blue chip stocks at 30 times earnings or tech stocks trading at stupid valuations. Or 10 years ago talking people out of taking money out of IRAs to buy and flip houses.
Again just looking at raw data over the years which I have posted many times it isn't asinine to believe offensively a guy who dominates usage of the ball and shoots it so poorly is not good for the offense.
Now if you want to believe that the numbers of the 3 games of the B1G are what is expected going forward than we have another statistical argument whcih I would love to hear.
There is another post on this board about Carmelo Anthony.
I hear and respect the argument that I am wrong. Yes the supporting cast hasn't been good. My thesis is derived from logic. You can disagree, but calling it asinine? Heard similar things, but said nicer in the past 10 and 18 years ago.
What’s the difference?
According to the complainers on this board, no one on the current roster has B1G level talent. (Geo in particular).
Thus, we WILL finish in last again.
(How could we not if we don’t have any players that would start for our competition?)
Then you will complain.
I’m just connecting the dots on this thread.
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