Great job last night by RU! I think the smartest move of the night was Billy Smith deciding to hit a switch for a reversal instead of standing up for and escape! Great decision on his part. LH heavyweight was totally caught off guard!
Rutgers Wrestling vs Lehigh / Updates and Results Thread
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Per Lehigh forum Giraldo didn't make weight, Rutgers 133-pounder failed to make weight as Steve and Gimp reported. Josh Patrick bumped up from 125; he weighed in at 132. Richie Lewis manufactured a couple of timeouts so he could catch his breath against Longo -- yeah, Rutgers is in the b1g now; two of their best guys are sucking wind. I guess that's better than an injury and hope he pulls it together for the tournament.
Giraldo has hit a wall as well and it was good to give him time off to recharge for the Bigs and NCAAs,
think that was a case of a returning NCAA finalist getting the benefit of the doubt from the ref... He wasn't blatant...But I've seen a lot less called...
jd..super recap.Took the words right out of my mouth.Richie Lewis wrestled tough,but a little sloppy.No sweat,sometimes wrestlers have off days.Perrotti..totally get him looking spacey out there.Was his last match at home,alot of pressure,but he squeaked it out.I have too say,I think Giraldo is not going too stay with this.Shoot me for being the outspoken minority,but he looks burnt out there,with no interest.You're right,it could be a weight issue,but alot of kids are sucking weight and doing well.Him not making weight last night is another sign of burn out.I really,really hope I am wrong,but being a former RU wrestler,and coaching kids over the years,you see the tell tale signs of loosing interest in the sport.
agreed,and that guy refs alot of Lehigh mathes too..so I get it.Still think he should have dinged him and made it more interesting in overtime.If it did go into overtime,I wouldn;t have doubted Gravina would have prevailed.That kid would walk into an ISIS camp and yell "I'm Catholic and I love Jesus"..lol
talk about some sour grapes...lol Lewis definitely wasn't sucking wind...I am curious about what he actually did to get called for unsportsmanlike point though..
I don't think Giraldo is burnt.. I think he's sucking too much weight.. He's wrestled tough against some top competition all year... I just think the sucking down weight is a bigger issue than people think...He just doesn't have the energy to finish matches against the top kids... Which has been a recurring theme all season...His effort is there every match.. Just like we saw with Perrotti last year having trouble holding 157...
That kid has got to be the surprise of the year. I just love watching him wrestle, the kid just keeps on going after his opponent no matter what he's ranked. He's wrestling better and better as his confidence grows and his injuries heal. If he keeps going the way he is an AA is definitely in his future. This kid is truly amazing to me, he's just tough as nails. I tell my seatmates all the time that kid is starting to become my favorite wrestler he just never stops.
watching split screen both Mich/Vatech...and Neb/Mizzou...some ridiculous match ups!! so many top 10 individual match ups!!
We've won many recruiting battles recently, but the one 165 pounder still stings. $$$$
Not much that coulda been done there..VT went full scholly for him...
How many wrestlers at RU would you guess are on Full Schollie ? I'm guessing Ashnault, maybe Perrotti and Smith. Many others on 1/3- 1/2 schollie ? Only 11 to be split up , correct ??
Im sure WNG or Josh could probably answer that a lot better than I could...But I gotta figure that full scholly kids in any program are a rarity....And I also believe were still not "fully" funded as schollies here are based on in state tuition and not out of state..Which most of the other big time programs are...
Only the NCAA could end up with that #, as it would make too much sense to just round it up a whole tenth...
Can someone explain how these scholarships work? If VT offered a NJ kid a full scholarship, how can it be possible that Rutgers cannot offer the same kid a full scholarship. Do those full scholarships cost more for a kid if they're out of state. If so, wouldn't that cost more money to VT to offer a Jersey Kid.
Yes if VT offered a kid a full, they have a set amount of $, 9.9 and if the school decides to include out of state in that 9.9 then they just give the kid whatever a full ride is and deduct it from their total.
We have a set amount of $ and if we have no more money left to give the kid a full ride we cannot do it. Just think of a pool of say $250,000 for wrestling scholarships. How you break it up among 20-25 kids is your choice. It is like the salary cap in football or baseball. They key is to get the $250,000 raised to $300,000 + to include out of state tuition, board, etc.
We have a set amount of $ and if we have no more money left to give the kid a full ride we cannot do it. Just think of a pool of say $250,000 for wrestling scholarships. How you break it up among 20-25 kids is your choice. It is like the salary cap in football or baseball. They key is to get the $250,000 raised to $300,000 + to include out of state tuition, board, etc.
X2 JD - the term Full Ride in wrestling gets thrown around a lot but I think it is an extreme rarity that a kid gets a full athletic scholarship in wrestling. That's not to say that "maybe" there are other ways to assure a kid is not paying out of pocket to attend a university. But one kid using up 1 of the 9.9 is so rare.
Thank You. This is an excellent reply. I didn't realize there was a salary cap. Are there ways around this cap. In football, a kid can receive a track scholarship. Would an endowed scholarship count against the cap. Maybe we should start thinking outside the box. This stuff is all Greek to me.
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That is not exactly how it works. You still only have 9.9 to work with, it is a big disadvantage not to have them as "out of state" dollars but it is not a salary cap or pool of money. And an endowed scholarship still counts against the 9.9(however schools love them, since they are not paying).
Ok..can we get someone to explain how it works then? Like how does a Penn St pull in monster recruiting classes.. they cant all be getting close to full
You are correct, they are not getting close to full rides. Cael is convincing some of his recruits to come without any scholly money(especially the in state kids).
Think of it this way, lets use 10 schollys and lets say it cost $10 for RU in state and $20 for out of state. If RU is fully funded for out of state schollys they have $200. However, that does not mean they can offer 20 New Jersey wrestlers a full ride. The key is to get the NJ studs as a 1/3 or 1/2 scholly and since they are in state, it is still a better deal than going out of state. Unless the equivalency schollys have changed recently, this is how they are counted.
We still only have instate 9.9 allotment? If so, it is so stupid for the RU admin to not have the full out of state allotment for the wrestling scholly however way you cut it. RU sucks in every sports, and we got this program where we are in top 10, and the admin cannot make this any more competitive? That's BS and shortsighted action.
So you're saying that Kids will pay the freight just for access to Elite Coaching. How is PSU able to bring in the best kids in the country if they only have 9.9 scholarships.
Yes, it is not any kind of mystery...they only have 9.9 schollys. As a poster above said, people throw around full rides in wrestling like their a dime a dozen. It is very rare. There are plenty of kids on the PSU roster that are not getting any money at all. Part of Caels pitch is you will get scholly money when you become an All American, some kids buy into it, others go elsewhere. PSU graduates McIntosh, Mega and Conaway so it is not like they are graduating a big class, and are bringing in Suriano, Hall, Manville and AJ Nevills next season. Plus they already have a stable of studs coming back. The money is spread out.
In order for RU to fully fund 9.9 out of state scholarships for Wrestling, they will also have to add 9.9 out of state scholarships for a women's team, in order to comply with Title IX, so it is not as cheap as some may think.
Can't hide football players in other sports. The WR Harris is also playing baseball is on football scholarship. If you play football and another sport, you are on football scholarship. This is precisely the reason to not allow extra players for football by hiding them in other sports.
Last I checked there is no NCAA womens wrestling...So why would you have to add a full allotment of schollies, for a program, for a sport that doesn't exist? How are other programs able to fund at OOS levels then? Granted I only know a lil bit about title IX...But that doesn't seem to make much sense...
Jersey Devil, Title IX mandates you need to have the same schollys for women as men. So those other fully funded program have fully funded womens sports. It does not have to be sport for sport, it has to be the same amount of schollys for women and men.
None of this explains how PSU is able to load up on Elite Wrestlers. Someone even suggested that you don't receive a scholarship at PSU until you become an All-American. Is that even possible? I can't imagine that this actually occurs at PSU.
