Sam Vretman officially signs to Rutgers

[Knight Shift]

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ter_to_attend_rutgers.html#incart_river_index

First class of 2017 commit to officially sign, as he completed his Big Ten letter during a ceremony at his school.[banana]

Let the rest of the dominoes start to fall R way!!!!!!

 

[madchuck]

Awesome!

 

[huskersalways]

Remember on the early enrollees who are signing papers. They are signing an aid package not a LOI. Alls it does is obligates the school to provide a scholarship but it does not commit the player to the school. Basically the school can no longer back out of their offer but the player can still go wherever they choose without penalty until they attend an actual class. They will still have to sign a LOI(even though a player technically never has to sign one).

Players that are early enrollees that haven't committed yet may sign grant in aid papers with multiple schools right now so the paper work for enrolling is done. Then when they commit to a school all of the enrollment stuff is in place. A school that a player doesn't commit to can just scrap the paperwork.

It is becoming a more common thing all the time. This way the schools cannot pull an early enrollees scholarship before they sign a LOI, but the player isn't bound by the signing till they sign a LOI.

 

[jerzey devil]

Remember on the early enrollees who are signing papers. They are signing an aid package not a LOI. Alls it does is obligates the school to provide a scholarship but it does not commit the player to the school. Basically the school can no longer back out of their offer but the player can still go wherever they choose without penalty until they attend an actual class. They will still have to sign a LOI(even though a player technically never has to sign one).

Players that are early enrollees that haven't committed yet may sign grant in aid papers with multiple schools right now so the paper work for enrolling is done. Then when they commit to a school all of the enrollment stuff is in place. A school that a player doesn't commit to can just scrap the paperwork.

It is becoming a more common thing all the time. This way the schools cannot pull an early enrollees scholarship before they sign a LOI, but the player isn't bound by the signing till they sign a LOI.

I believe that the kid is now off limits to every other B1G school though.. Conference rule I believe

 

[Knight Shift]

Remember on the early enrollees who are signing papers. They are signing an aid package not a LOI. Alls it does is obligates the school to provide a scholarship but it does not commit the player to the school. Basically the school can no longer back out of their offer but the player can still go wherever they choose without penalty until they attend an actual class. They will still have to sign a LOI(even though a player technically never has to sign one).

Players that are early enrollees that haven't committed yet may sign grant in aid papers with multiple schools right now so the paper work for enrolling is done. Then when they commit to a school all of the enrollment stuff is in place. A school that a player doesn't commit to can just scrap the paperwork.

It is becoming a more common thing all the time. This way the schools cannot pull an early enrollees scholarship before they sign a LOI, but the player isn't bound by the signing till they sign a LOI.

Any examples of where a recruit flipped after signing their "papers" such as in this case?

 

[rutgers4life11]

Man, Sam's tape is sick. Punishing blocker. Psyched to have him on the banks.

 

[huskersalways]

Any examples of where a recruit flipped after signing their "papers" such as in this case?

Yes, a wide receiver, Demario Stringfellow from California signed them with NU and had just arrived in Lincoln and switched to Ole Miss since his mom got a job in Mississippi. He had signed papers with them and a couple other schools as well. I remember Pelini telling the press that Ole Miss flat out cheated to get him but he was quickly shut down by the AD. Only time I ever heard Pelini bad mouth a school. He referred back to some stuff about Ole Miss when he was at LSU. It quickly became a non issue but NU was counting on him and backed off some others since he had been committed for a month and they got left high and dry. All part of the game. Like it or not.


Edit: It happens more than that example but most of the time it happens a couple weeks before they actually show up for school. Since a player has already signed with multiple schools not much is made of it. It's there for the players.

 

[huskersalways]

I believe that the kid is now off limits to every other B1G school though.. Conference rule I believe

I don't think that is true. The player is no different than any other student until the LOI is signed. A typical student who has been accepted at multiple schools can switch even after the first couple weeks of classes.

Grant in aid and LOI are 2 totally separate things. One is academic and the other is athletic.


Also by a kid signing them with multiple schools it allows them to know for sure they have been accepted into that school. Kids will sign with a school like Wisconsin just to see if can get in before committing. A lot of kids sign them now you just don't hear that much about it. NU has had 2 sign so far this year and may have up to 5. Wasn't even hardly discussed by fans because it's just not a binding deal.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Yes, a wide receiver, Demario Stringfellow from California signed them with NU and had just arrived in Lincoln and switched to Ole Miss since his mom got a job in Mississippi..

wow that's surprising. Said no one ever.

 

[OriginalKnight]

Remember on the early enrollees who are signing papers. They are signing an aid package not a LOI. Alls it does is obligates the school to provide a scholarship but it does not commit the player to the school. Basically the school can no longer back out of their offer but the player can still go wherever they choose without penalty until they attend an actual class. They will still have to sign a LOI(even though a player technically never has to sign one).

Players that are early enrollees that haven't committed yet may sign grant in aid papers with multiple schools right now so the paper work for enrolling is done. Then when they commit to a school all of the enrollment stuff is in place. A school that a player doesn't commit to can just scrap the paperwork.

It is becoming a more common thing all the time. This way the schools cannot pull an early enrollees scholarship before they sign a LOI, but the player isn't bound by the signing till they sign a LOI.

Thanks guy - he's not going anywhere.

 

[huskersalways]

Thanks guy - he's not going anywhere.

I agree completely. I just know that if something would ever happen where a player switched then the masses would be crying foul when it is how the system works. To many folks confuse the Grant in Aid with a LOI.

 

[PaKnight]

Remember on the early enrollees who are signing papers. They are signing an aid package not a LOI. Alls it does is obligates the school to provide a scholarship but it does not commit the player to the school. Basically the school can no longer back out of their offer but the player can still go wherever they choose without penalty until they attend an actual class. They will still have to sign a LOI(even though a player technically never has to sign one).

Players that are early enrollees that haven't committed yet may sign grant in aid papers with multiple schools right now so the paper work for enrolling is done. Then when they commit to a school all of the enrollment stuff is in place. A school that a player doesn't commit to can just scrap the paperwork.

It is becoming a more common thing all the time. This way the schools cannot pull an early enrollees scholarship before they sign a LOI, but the player isn't bound by the signing till they sign a LOI.

Pretty sure that is not the case, once they are enrolled it is official.

 

[OriginalKnight]

I agree completely. I just know that if something would ever happen where a player switched then the masses would be crying foul when it is how the system works. To many folks confuse the Grant in Aid with a LOI.

Ok thanks

 

[jerzey devil]

I don't think that is true. The player is no different than any other student until the LOI is signed. A typical student who has been accepted at multiple schools can switch even after the first couple weeks of classes.

Grant in aid and LOI are 2 totally separate things. One is academic and the other is athletic.


Also by a kid signing them with multiple schools it allows them to know for sure they have been accepted into that school. Kids will sign with a school like Wisconsin just to see if can get in before committing. A lot of kids sign them now you just don't hear that much about it. NU has had 2 sign so far this year and may have up to 5. Wasn't even hardly discussed by fans because it's just not a binding deal.

Now I could be wrong..But I thought the rule was only a conference rule....Not an NCAA one...

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

awesome. This guy is a lock.

 

[huskersalways]

Pretty sure that is not the case, once they are enrolled it is official.

They still have to sign a LOI. They "require" it prior to taking part in Spring Ball.

What the players are signing now has nothing to do with athletics, it is about the academic side of their scholarship. LOI binds the athlete and school sports wise for certain things and Grant in Aid binds the school on the scholarship but not the student.

 

[huskersalways]

Now I could be wrong..But I thought the rule was only a conference rule....Not an NCAA one...

They changed it in 2012. Before if a student transferred after a Grant in Aid they had to pay their own way if went to another Big 10 school. Now they still get Grant in Aid but have to sit the required time.