No matter how hard you try - he’s not a “disaster”. Even Shelby has conceded as much. The Rutgers program knows “disaster” all too well. You want to argue that overall he’s just mediocre, that’s one thing, but even then, you can’t just pick any old coach you feel like and act like it would’ve been a given they would’ve turned Rutgers around from the Ash disaster and accomplished sustained steadiness to avoid the basement consistently. That’s not “nothing” for Rutgers. We are not Michigan or OSU. Nebraska has a lot more history than us. Look what happened when they tried to hit on a solid blackjack hand of 18. Your Houston has no better pedigree than Frost went in there with. And there are dozens more like that. More successful mid-major coaches fail when trying to make the jump than succeed. Recruiting, which Greg excels at, is very different at the next level.
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No matter how hard you try - he’s not a “disaster”. Even Shelby has conceded as much. The Rutgers program knows “disaster” all too well. You want to argue that overall he’s just mediocre, that’s one thing, but even then, you can’t just pick any old coach you feel like and act like it would’ve been a given they would’ve turned Rutgers around from the Ash disaster and accomplished sustained steadiness to avoid the basement consistently. That’s not “nothing” for Rutgers. We are not Michigan or OSU. Nebraska has a lot more history than us. Look what happened when they tried to hit on a solid blackjack hand of 18. Your Houston has no better pedigree than Frost went in there with. And there are dozens more like that. More successful mid-major coaches fail when trying to make the jump than succeed. Recruiting, which Greg excels at, is very different at the next level.
No they are not- year one, he took a 4 win team to 7 wins. Yeah- his hard ass style didn't go well with NFL players. I know that Zuttah was not all that happy to hear he was coming in to Coach but the first year was far from a disaster. He had a bad 2nd year and major controversy because of the QB and they dropped back to 4 wins. He had maybe the worst owner in sports and guess what, he may have been right about the QB. But let's be clear- no one is talking about his 2 years in the NFL.
Meyer, Patreno - yeah, now, they are talking about them.
The going after the ball on the kneel- well, he also did it in college all the time and no one was bitching about it. And I don't remember the score of that game, but if a game is a one score game and the team with the ball wants to kneel with a direct handoff- well, the defending team should try to make a play. If it is a two score game, then, out of line but a one scoe- play ball baby.
Yeah- he needs to get better at gameday. Has been a major weakness. And yes, we all loved 2006. I wasn't a big fan of his back then. But, he was the right guy to bring back in after Ash burnt it all down. I wasn't a fan of the extension either and I do think he should have a semi warm seat at all times. I like what he has done since coming back but he needs to break his ceiling.
And went right back to 4 wins year 2… what’s the reaction gonna be when we don’t go bowling this year?
Do you realize that last year was our shot. That was the year. We’ll never have an easier schedule. If we were EVER gonna pull an Indiana from last year that was the shot.
Greg’s coaching alone cost us 3 games last year
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Uhhh buddy, when a coach gets fired after going 4-12 in year 2 in the nfl, that’s considered a disaster yes.
Re-read what I wrote, I said he’s a bad gameday coach (not debatable) and was a disaster IN THE NFL! Obviously he wasn’t a disaster prior to getting the job. As I acknowledged, with Greg we were the darlings of CFB for 2 weeks 19 years ago and fans like you are incapable of moving on!
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Well, let's be honest, no matter what you want to define it as...Greg was not made to be an NFL HC. In his first round here, he did a lot of bullying as a coach and while that may work with a lot of "kids" away from home for the first time and back then, the HC could ruin your life if you got on his bad side. And that just isn't going to work with grown men.
He did not do well but far from 2 years that are still talked about. they are pretty much forgotten. UM and BP are the guys who will be talked about forever.
Heck, we have a guy here for the Giants that went from 9 - 6 - 3 wins and just keeps coaching. I would dare say that is much worse than Greg at TB...
Love that you keep repeating the "darlings of CFB for 2 weeks" ...it is one of those things where you feel if you repeat it enough, it becomes true. What college team are you a fan of? Or is this just a I hate Greg attitude?
You said he’s a disaster game day coach point blank. You did not specify NFL or otherwise - you just pointed to Tampa to make your case. The point is while he’s not a “good” game day coach, he’s way closer to okay than disaster. All coaches eventually pick up WTF head scratcher losses - Greg will get his eventually but 2.0 is still perfect OOC through 4 seasons winning every single game he’s clearly supposed to win (not toss ups). That alone gets him out of consideration for disaster. And no - it’s not nothing.
Schiano’s coaching in general has been excellent in the OOC which is important in its own right at least allowing each and ever season to build early hope and hype.
And this is not because we’ve only played home games vs Wagner types by the way. Greg 2.0 is a perfect 4-0 on the road in non-conference play (VTech, BC, Syracuse and Temple). Pike by way of comparison, has only won a grand total of twice away from home since his very first season at Rutgers. He’s 5-17 overall with the first 3 wins coming on the road @ Stonybrook and DePaul and on a neutral floor against Fordham. Pike was considered by most to be an above average coach until botching this past season. The point is, it’s hardly easy to go on the road and win those early games so a coach deserves credit for getting the job done.
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Are people actually suggesting this ? I haven’t heard that . Maybe a couple trolls here
Since 2021- Greg has done very well with OOC. Not counting the Howard/Akrons/Wagners of the world...he has beaten Temple 3 times(and before we say they are crap- just a couple of years ago- many were claiming we fell behind them), Delaware, Then we step it up to BC, Cuse, VaTech(twice) Mia in a bowl and we lost to Wake and KST in bowls.
It almost sounds like a regular season in the ACC. lol
It’s “I hate Greg”. Thats his MO. He’s seriously worse than Shelby whose contention is Greg should be replaced because he’s perennial mediocre.
He deserves more credit for it than he gets in my opinion. He’s consistently done well early when his team was at fulll strength which demonstrates that his teams are generally well prepared to maximize their talents on day one. He hasn’t been as good at adjusting on the fly when his teams are hit with injuries whether it be building depth or otherwise but there’s still something to be said for what he has been able to do.
Yeah - Shelby and Yessir are the ring leaders. Cali seems to lean in that direction too though now he at least acknowledges Greg was the right guy to bring in to fix things in 2020 but only as a stepping stone - saying Greg is a guy you bring in to fix a disaster but not the guy you keep around to take you to the next level. I’m not sure the timing around a so called move to get that magic bullet guy whose going to do that. Back when Schiano was hired, he wanted Hafley.
Yessir is in a category all of his own in referring to Greg as the disaster. He thinks Mike Houston is our magic bullet. Shelby has thrown out Leipold. I’m not actually sure why any of them believe or ever believed these guys have a clear upside advantage over Greg for us looking forward. In my opinion, any one of them could turn out like Scott Frost did for Nebraska.
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However, the time has passed to become a powerhouse. Not now, Rutgers and many schools missed the boat. When Rutgers chose to go to Division 1A in 1979 that was the time to fund football. Kids from that time on have chosen a short list of powerhouse schools to go play for. Playoffs also make it harder for new blood team to win a championship.
Money being equal most kids will pick the proven school over the new comer.
Stop dreaming about a Championship. Enjoy an improving team. It wasn't long ago when Ash was the HC!
I hate retread coaches yes.
I understand he inherited a dogsh*t situation left by Ash that was going to take some time to clean up.
Greg has taken us as far as he can take us to which I am grateful for. Our peak is 7-8 wins with him and realistically he’s not creative enough of a gameday coach to steal a win against the bluebloods.
I’ll be straight with you, I want a coach that’s capable of beating Penn State. That’s the win I want. No sugarcoating I want to see us beat them in our lifetime
While a Championship is not likely, it’s still realistic to dream of a one off Indiana type season.
So as a gameday coach he’s a disaster absolutely. Ever since he left for the fl he’s failed to adapt.
Realistically Greg is one of the few guys left still running a stupid conservative Paterno-style operation. How many times have we complained how predictable a run up the middle on every first down is?
Recruiting only gets you so far in today’s NIL world
Flood had the chance. Nova blew it for him. In any given day, there isn’t more reason to believe Greg can’t beat them and go 1-0 vs. any other name your going to throw out. As White pointed out - only 16 teams have ever one a natty, and no more than 20 are regularly in the running to have banner 11+ win seasons. We’re not bringing in some miracle coach whose going to make Rutgers that type of program. Greg’s chance of eventually making Rutgers like Iowa is as good as anyone your going to suggest to replace him though.
Considering the easier schedule - 2024 was the year for that.
Sorry but no - nothing about Greg’s 2.0 stint as a coach can be categorized as anything close to a disaster except the end of the Illinois game. This was one game out of how many?
Ash was a disaster. What happened to Pike’s team last year with 2 NBA draftees was a disaster. Rutgers football as a program has been resurrected from the dead under Greg and our recruiting is trending up.
"Accomplished sustained steadiness to avoid the basement consistently"
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Out of 13 known BIG coach salaries, Greg’s ranked 12th. Only Maryland behind him. NW doesn’t disclose salaries.
I’m not sure what your suggesting. Do you think we should be cutting costs by hiring someone materially cheaper? How do you think that would work out?
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Made the playoffs and lost easily. Didn't make the conference championship either. As a fan I would be thrilled by that but it's still a long way from a championship.
In ‘79 we had absolutely no credibility. At least now with Schiano, we have consecutive 7 Wins seasons and 3 bowl appearances in 5 years, so there’s at least something.
If people pony up, anything is possible.
Yes absolutely. Your point about only 16 natty winners really drives home what a long shot it is for pretty much any team outside a select handful.
I actually think the argument Cali makes frequently has some merit - Greg probably would not be the best choice to help a perennial blue blood like OSU win championships, but he is is 100% the guy you seek out to fix a train wreck situation anywhere. But then, I don’t think Ryan Day would be a great choice to lead a rebuild either. And I’m not sure guys like Mike Houston, Jeff Hafley, etc. would necessarily excel at either. We brought in the right coach at the right time and nothing to this point has gone close to wrong enough to warrant contemplation of a change.
Ok - so in hindsight - calling that time out in the Illinois game was dumb and cost us the game. Things couldn’t have gone any worse for us injury wise and all said and done we were 7-6 with pairs of 3 point losses and 7 point losses. We lost 4 close games. We won 2. A 9-4 season wasn’t all that far off.
Bigger picture. 2 games all last season where Rutgers failed to show up. One was in the middle of the night with half our fans probably fast asleep. Sure beats getting our butts kicked by Buffalo and recruiting trending up. We’re in a very good place.
Please if you are going to quote me be accurate about it.
I will absolutely give Greg Credit in recruiting and graduation rates, he does a good job for the most part on those front particularly with the resources he has (from a recruiting standpoint).
His game day coaching is abysmal. Only James Franklin and Mike Locksely have demonstrably worse in game coaching in the Big 10. When you have a program like ours that’s not going to be able to buy blue chip players to make up for gameday coaching shortcomings the way Pedd State does with Franklin, we have to be the best prepared if we’re ever going to be anything more than a perennial Detroit bowl type. Greg is a disaster as a gameday coach yes
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Are you okay? You’re ranting! Or, were you a big Hobbs guy? Let’s just have fun.
Go RU and three cheers for Coach Schiano! Thanks
Greg has gotten us to the point where we are no longer considered a bad team. When he took over, we were at the bottom.
Now, all teams know they may have a battle on their hands in any given game.
The tough thing is that if this was pre NIL and Portal- Greg would have the full attention of all the NJ schools.
But the way he is using the portal is smart for our team. Not dropping big cash on the proven P4 player but finding kids a level down tgat are showing NFl potential and giving them a shot. Those kids are like pulling in a 4 star player.
Now, all teams know they may have a battle on their hands in any given game.
The tough thing is that if this was pre NIL and Portal- Greg would have the full attention of all the NJ schools.
But the way he is using the portal is smart for our team. Not dropping big cash on the proven P4 player but finding kids a level down tgat are showing NFl potential and giving them a shot. Those kids are like pulling in a 4 star player.
Greg's main cap feather is that he gets likeable players who can walk the straight and narrow and don't turn into goblins like the crew under Flood. If you cant get to the Rose Bowl you can feel better about the team's character. I cant think of a single Schiano player I really didn't like
Come on, no one ever called a sub 500. Coach a great coach.what in 16 seasons he has what one double digit winning season. His record against ranked teams is terrible, yes we have a coach but we don't have as you say a great coach.
We were discussing 2.0 stint. To date, we have not lost a regular non-conference game since 2019.
Great! Write it down GREAT! He’s already done enough. And, by the time he’s done, it will be epic.
Talk to me when he gets above 500 winning percentage. If you consider a sub 500 coach great that tells me all I need to know. Also
If he was such a great coach we wouldn't have been his only option when he returned to college.
