Schiano needs more support to Win Championships

[PSAL_Hoops]

Though I recognize the facetiousness of your post, If our fanbase actually cared about football and fielding the best team possible, Jeremiah Smith would be catching passes from Drew Allar.

But Since we have a beer budget, we have to watch kids develop and make their share of mistakes. How we recruit is a reflection of what we’ve invested in the program. In most cases, that’s nothing. Most have invested zero in football infrastructure, though there are limited exceptions. Most of what we’ve spent has gone towards operational expenses of running the football program. This is an opportunity to build the capital infrastructure of the program, to ensure the possibility for maximum success.

The thing is - in the pre NIL world there was some truth to what you say but unless / until things stabilize with the clearinghouse it’s honestly all for naught. There are just too many programs that have sugar daddy donors where money is truly no object. This means that, without a limiting cap on payments to players, if schools like Rutgers work hard to raise more money the price tag associated with players will simply rise because it’s no sweat at all to the sugar daddies to outbid us.

I do believe an end to this model, at least, may be in sight though. The blue blood programs where the money actually does come mostly from the die hard alums (OSU, Michigan, Alabama) and not one or two single multi millionaires who have millions to burn annually without financial impact - for those schools, this model is not only sub-optimal, at some point it might not even be sustainable. For the millionth time I reiterate - the NCAA has no power - zero. The fact that a Deloitte entity has even entered the picture at all is coming from the teams calling the shots. The blue bloods. And that’s why the Wild West will eventually end. At least, that’s my bold prediction.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Though I recognize the facetiousness of your post, If our fanbase actually cared about football and fielding the best team possible, Jeremiah Smith would be catching passes from Drew Allar.

But Since we have a beer budget, we have to watch kids develop and make their share of mistakes. How we recruit is a reflection of what we’ve invested in the program. In most cases, that’s nothing. Most have invested zero in football infrastructure, though there are limited exceptions. Most of what we’ve spent has gone towards operational expenses of running the football program. This is an opportunity to build the capital infrastructure of the program, to ensure the possibility for maximum success.

The salient point is that all three of the losses were due to failings in coaching and execution, not a lack of resources. RU had as much or more talent than all of those teams.

 

[scarletbergen]

Doesn't matter how much you get or who you get. You still have to be able to coach on game day.
Schiano had multiple years with NFL talent & still couldn't win a conference championship.

Sorry Dude, Schiano coaches well on game day! 2 years in NFL. And money $$$$ is everything!

 

[scarletbergen]

The salient point is that all three of the losses were due to failings in coaching and execution, not a lack of resources. RU had as much or more talent than all of those teams.

Oh my, the Nebraska game was lost because their defensive front was huge and powerful!

It’s size, speed, strength and athleticism that wins football games. Through amazing coaching, Schiano squeezes wins from rocks!

Give more $$$$$$ and we will win more games!!!

 

[rudad02]

Sorry Dude, Schiano coaches well on game day! 2 years in NFL. And money $$$$ is everything!

He is a sorry game day coach, & always has been, amen!

 

[rutgersal]

The salient point is that all three of the losses were due to failings in coaching and execution, not a lack of resources. RU had as much or more talent than all of those teams.

What you’re not understanding is that Jeremiah Smith would have caught the ball that Ben Black dropped. Schiano himself said we’re a developmental program.

We develop kids, we don’t recruit stars who are ready to shine. Which is why we have to live with their mistakes as they develop. Better players provide better execution.

That’s why it absolutely is a lack of resources.

 

[DHajekRC84]

 

[RU#1fan]

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What you’re not understanding is that Jeremiah Smith would have caught the ball that Ben Black dropped. Schiano himself said we’re a developmental program.

We develop kids, we don’t recruit stars who are ready to shine. Which is why we have to live with their mistakes as they develop. Better players provide better execution.

That’s why it absolutely is a lack of resources.

Strong and Duff would have caught that ball that Black dropped.
We score 7 and go onto beat Nebraska.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The salient point is that all three of the losses were due to failings in coaching and execution, not a lack of resources. RU had as much or more talent than all of those teams.

And coaching put us in the position to win both VTech and Washington games. It goes both ways and you could do what your doing with almost any coach. It doesn’t apply to any win. Sometimes it’s not needed. Athan was awesome vs Minny. Didn’t need any big in game coaching decisions for that one or special scheme planning. Athan and our line was just better than theirs on that day. Plain and simple. Most of the time that’s why Day wins. His players are simply way better than the opponents.

 

[Mufasa94]

It is correct.

No it isn't. The number of branches to be closed had not been previously specified, so it is impossible for a final recommended number to be a revised number. In fact, the only information previously provided was that not all of the branches being looked at would be closed.

Also this board frequently discusses the ACC and Penn State to which I am responding.

You initiated the talk about PSU (and branch campuses) into this thread. It is a common theme of yours on this board.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Though I recognize the facetiousness of your post, If our fanbase actually cared about football and fielding the best team possible, Jeremiah Smith would be catching passes from Drew Allar.

No they wouldn't Al. You really arent comprehending how this is all playing out. Didnt Ryan Day say their payroll was $27 million? Rutgers fans care about football, but my take is they are not stupid enough to throw wads of cash at mercenaries we are loosely referring to as Rutgers students.

 

[Section124]

And coaching put us in the position to win both VTech and Washington games. It goes both ways and you could do what your doing with almost any coach. It doesn’t apply to any win. Sometimes it’s not needed. Athan was awesome vs Minny. Didn’t need any big in game coaching decisions for that one or special scheme planning. Athan and our line was just better than theirs on that day. Plain and simple. Most of the time that’s why Day wins. His players are simply way better than the opponents.

If the Washington kicker makes any of those field goals, we probably lose. They needed just 1 to tie.

 

[rutgersal]

No they wouldn't Al. You really arent comprehending how this is all playing out. Didnt Ryan Day say their payroll was $27 million? Rutgers fans care about football, but my take is they are not stupid enough to throw wads of cash at mercenaries we are loosely referring to as Rutgers students.

You missed the “fielding the best team possible”. We’re obviously not concerned about fielding the best team possible. Michigan and Ohio State fans are not stupid, and they throw plenty of wads of cash at players. The bottomline is is if you want to win, you have to pony up.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

If the Washington kicker makes any of those field goals, we probably lose. They needed just 1 to tie.

Washington was better than us at the time. We had no business winning that game without depleted D.

 

[scarletbergen]

Washington was better than us at the time. We had no business winning that game without depleted D.

Schiano squeezes wins out of rocks!


We have a GREAT coach. We are in the B1G, we play a killer schedule every year. We need $$$$ for players to compete.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Schiano squeezes wins out of rocks!


We have a GREAT coach. We are in the B1G, we play a killer schedule every year. We need $$$$ for players to compete.

Yeah I still just don’t get how folks actually think pretty much anyone could’ve waltzed into Rutgers and erased the embarrassment Ash created. The favorite example of what could’ve been crumbled last season when Liepold went 5-7. Now there isn’t even data pointing to one single coach who went in and accomplished materially more than Greg. With the set back, Greg and Lance are pretty even now on their rebuild status. So what gives? I guess they will circle back to Mike Houston now since he had an okay year. When Hafley resurfaces he will be next. It’s silly because there is nobody to point to who would be a sure fire success at Rutgers. And no, I don’t think a guy like Ryan Day could’ve done it either. What does he know about rebuilds?

 

[yesrutgers01]

Yeah I still just don’t get how folks actually think pretty much anyone could’ve waltzed into Rutgers and erased the embarrassment Ash created. The favorite example of what could’ve been crumbled last season when Liepold went 5-7. Now there isn’t even data pointing to one single coach who went in and accomplished materially more than Greg. With the set back, Greg and Lance are pretty even now on their rebuild status. So what gives? I guess they will circle back to Mike Houston now since he had an okay year. When Hafley resurfaces he will be next. It’s silly because there is nobody to point to who would be a sure fire success at Rutgers. And no, I don’t think a guy like Ryan Day could’ve done it either. What does he know about rebuilds?

I agree with this- Greg was the best hire for Rutgers when we brought him back. The question going forward, is if he is the best HC for us going forward.

 

[scarletbergen]

I agree with this- Greg was the best hire for Rutgers when we brought him back. The question going forward, is if he is the best HC for us going forward.

YES!

And every Rutgers fan should thank they’re lucky stars that the best coach in our history loves Rutgers, sees it as his life work and is willing to stay. We are lucky!!

 

[Panthergrowl13]

No I’m not a censor. But it’s always best not to be a condescending douche when on others boards. Again not sure why anyone from another school would want to spend so much time on another’s schools board unless of course that is your intention.

Big difference in maintaining branch campuses in remote pennsyltucky and a flagship research university. But I think you knew that.

Actually, it is going to be more than maintaining branch campuses.

The looming demographic loss of graduating HS seniors caused by the Baby Bust Generation is going to be profound for colleges and universities struggling to survive.

By 2041 it is estimated that the National Average Loss of Graduating HS Students to be -13%.

The Top 5 States losing Students are listed below:

Illinois : -32%
California: -29%
New York: -25%
Michigan: -20%
Pennsylvania: -17%

Couple the above mentioned numbers with the fact that more High School Seniors are now (62% vs 68%) deciding not to attend college and the results are even more dire.

All colleges and universities will be struggling to maintain tuition paying student body going forward, even AAU Research Universities.

Also, as long as I don't break any Board Rules, I will post what I choose.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[kupuna133]

Actually, it is going to be more than maintaining branch campuses.

The looming demographic loss of graduating HS seniors caused by the Baby Bust Generation is going to be profound for colleges and universities struggling to survive.

By 2041 it is estimated that the National Average Loss of Graduating HS Students to be -13%.

The Top 5 States losing Students are listed below:

Illinois : -32%
California: -29%
New York: -25%
Michigan: -20%
Pennsylvania: -17%

Couple the above mentioned numbers with the fact that more High School Seniors are now (62% vs 68%) deciding not to attend college and the results are even more dire.

All colleges and universities will be struggling to maintain tuition paying student body going forward, even AAU Research Universities.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

You’re reaching. Those branch campuses should have never been designated “Penn State” in the first place. If the institution that is closing was called “Shenango commuter college for the academically challenged” in east bumble**** Pa would anyone notice? Rutgers is growing and is attracting students from a wider geography than ever. Secondary and tertiary colleges specifically private colleges are going to have a major problem going forward. Not saying that there won’t be budgetary challenges going forward but large academically recognized research universities will not have a problem attracting students.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

YES!

And every Rutgers fan should thank they’re lucky stars that the best coach in our history loves Rutgers, sees it as his life work and is willing to stay. We are lucky!!

I wouldn’t go this far. But the answer is still yes unless someone knows of a proven home run major conference coach who is dying to come coach for Rutgers and potentially take a pay cut.

We cannot afford a misstep like Nebraska’s. Go look at Scott Frost’s resume before he went there. Success at a mid-major means nothing when it comes to winning in the BIG. There are far more Scott Frosts than untapped home runs.

 

[jsol_05]

There has been the typical offseason grousing that we aren’t winning as much as we should. This is meant to address that.

Provide Schiano adequate support, and he’ll win as much as you desire. He was recruiting mostly 4 and 5 ⭐️ at Miami and Ohio State. His protege, Mario Cristobal at Miami, just landed arguably the #1 recruit in the country, a 5 ⭐️ OL by the name of Jackson Cantwell of Missouri. Rutgers was never a consideration, because our value proposition isn’t strong enough. Even though our location is excellent.

At Rutgers, the typical recruit is 3 ⭐️, though the caliber of recruit we are getting seems to be improving year after year. What’s the biggest difference between Rutgers, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami? The fans desire for success. Winning is not as big a priority here, and that hampers recruiting. Most of the fanbase thinks that all you need to do is pay for your tickets and parking. **Newsflash** That’s not enough.

Unlike the head coaches at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, Schiano hasn’t been provided with the tools needed to be successful.

• A Fieldhouse
  • Michigan has two
• Adequate NIL support
  • There is some support but not enough to win Championships

This puts us at a significant competitive disadvantage in recruiting. If I were to take my RutgersAl hat off, I would choose Michigan because they are arguably the #1 State School in the Nation and they have the resources to achieve success at the highest levels. By far, the most popular clothing brand worn in NYC’s Central Park is Michigan’s. I notice that during my workouts. Their alumni have a tremendous amount of pride, and they have two men’s alumni softball teams which play in Central Park.

Even Maryland and Syracuse have Fieldhouses which have been built recently, supported by a significant amount of privately raised funds. They also have stronger NIL support.

Rutgers Fieldhouse designs are complete. But there is no money to build.

• We need to raise $75M for Construction to start
  • This could be accomplished with 750 people donating $100K over 5 years ($25K per year)

they had to shelve the project for now, and Schiano has to downplay its effectiveness in recruiting, when everyone knows the quality of facilities is a proxy for the fanbase’s commitment to success.

So in typical Rutgers fashion, we will do the best we can, with what we have, noting there is a significant talent discrepancy with the top of the conference. That means we will typically win 5-9 games a year. That is a significant improvement from the 2-5 win band we were performing at, under Chris Ash.

Most years we will fall somewhere in the middle of the range. This year, we might have a chance to do better if we get lucky with injuries, thx to a mature roster, and better depth, especially at Quarterback. Who wants to depend on luck? I’d prefer to have the support to win 10-12 games. Unfortunately, the fanbase desire just isn’t there.
So I feel resigned to our fate of mediocrity.

Al, 6 to 7 wins a year isn't going to cut it, Syracuse, Illinois, Indiana put up double digits wins. GS has one double digit win season in his career. Stop blaming it on funding, GS is making 6.25 million a year to get the job done, no excuses.

 

[RUbacker]

Washington was better than us at the time. We had no business winning that game without depleted

Al, 6 to 7 wins a year isn't going to cut it, Syracuse, Illinois, Indiana put up double digits wins. GS has one double digit win season in his career. Stop blaming it on funding, GS is making 6.25 million a year to get the job done, no excuses.

syracuse?? dude they play in the ACC we would have double digit if we played in that division.

 

[Caliknight]

What you’re not understanding is that Jeremiah Smith would have caught the ball that Ben Black dropped. Schiano himself said we’re a developmental program.

We develop kids, we don’t recruit stars who are ready to shine. Which is why we have to live with their mistakes as they develop. Better players provide better execution.

That’s why it absolutely is a lack of resources.

Great players don’t go to developmental programs.

 

[rutgersal]

Great players don’t go to developmental programs.

Anthony Davis came to Rutgers
Brian Leonard came to Rutgers
Ray Rice came to Rutgers
Jeremy Zuttah came to Rutgers

Over the past 6 years, we just haven’t been able to land this caliber of player. Though our overall talent and depth is competitive. We have to strengthen our value proposition to boost our recruiting results.

 

[ClassOf02]

Anthony Davis came to Rutgers
Brian Leonard came to Rutgers
Ray Rice came to Rutgers
Jeremy Zuttah came to Rutgers

Over the past 6 years, we just haven’t been able to land this caliber of player. Though our overall talent and depth is competitive. We have to strengthen our value proposition to boost our recruiting results.

It’s almost as if NIL and the transfer portal rules have changed the game.

 

[rutgersal]

It’s almost as if NIL and the transfer portal rules have changed the game.

Which is why fans have to adapt to the new reality, which is the point of his thread.

 

[ClassOf02]

Which is why fans have to adapt to the new reality, which is the point of his thread.

You really don’t realize that you wander all over the place with your arguments, do you?

 

[rutgersal]

You really don’t realize that you wander all over the place with your arguments, do you?

People have brought up different points and I’ve felt inclined to respond to them. The theme of the thread is consistent, however.

 

[Caliknight]

Anthony Davis came to Rutgers
Brian Leonard came to Rutgers
Ray Rice came to Rutgers
Jeremy Zuttah came to Rutgers

Over the past 6 years, we just haven’t been able to land this caliber of player. Though our overall talent and depth is competitive. We have to strengthen our value proposition to boost our recruiting results.

Outside of Davis none of those guys were big recruits.

 

[rutgersal]

Outside of Davis none of those guys were big recruits.

Brian Leonard had offers from Penn State and Notre Dame. His family told me at he even went to visit Joe Pa at his beach house in Avalon. Jeremy Zuttah also had offers from everybody like OSU and Mario Christobal played a prominent role in his recruitment till he left for Miami in 2004. Ray Rice had an offer from PSU as a DB and SU as a RB.

In the aughts we could compete against OSU. These days, kids are taking the money and we have no shot at the Quincy Porters, who is expected to contribute significantly for them. We have one kid from NJ in our recruiting class till date. Hope we get at least two more good ones.

 

[jsol_05]

Schiano has proven time and time again, he is not a good enough coach to win a championship. And fwiw, I like him and wanted him to come back. But he struggles on game day.

GS is good for a consistent 6 to 7 wins, enough to keep some people on here thinking we are big time. When all is said and done, he will pocket about $30-$40 million for 6 or 7 wins a season. If that what we are shooting for then he is our guy, if not, he is not our guy.

 

[newell138]

Anthony Davis came to Rutgers
Brian Leonard came to Rutgers
Ray Rice came to Rutgers
Jeremy Zuttah came to Rutgers

Over the past 6 years, we just haven’t been able to land this caliber of player. Though our overall talent and depth is competitive. We have to strengthen our value proposition to boost our recruiting results.

You know the only reason BL came here and Rice was not “great” coming out of HS

 

[scarletbergen]

GS is good for a consistent 6 to 7 wins, enough to keep some people on here thinking we are big time. When all is said and done, he will pocket about $30-$40 million for 6 or 7 wins a season. If that what we are shooting for then he is our guy, if not, he is not our guy.

Give the $$$$ and Schiano would win a National Championship! Gave him the budget, he’ll give you an undefeated season! He might do it anyway!!!! Coaching is not our problem. As it is, he does a great deal with very little support. He is OUR guy!

 

[WhiteBus]

To think Rutgers is going to win a championship is stupid! Since 1979 when I walked on to Rutgers as a Freshman only 16 teams have won a National Championship since then. Same thing every year. Same list. And it's only growing smaller not bigger.

 

[rutgersal]

To think Rutgers is going to win a championship is stupid! Since 1979 when I walked on to Rutgers as a Freshman only 16 teams have won a National Championship since then. Same thing every year. Same list. And it's only growing smaller not bigger.

You know why? Because no one ever provided the support to win a National Championship, which are not won on the cheap. You need $$$ and 🍀.

 

[RUbacker]

Give the $$$$ and Schiano would win a National Championship! Gave him the budget, he’ll give you an undefeated season! He might do it anyway!!!! Coaching is not our problem. As it is, he does a great deal with very little support. He is OUR guy!

agree we got our guy now we need support in the form of finances.

 

[yesrutgers01]

To think Rutgers is going to win a championship is stupid! Since 1979 when I walked on to Rutgers as a Freshman only 16 teams have won a National Championship since then. Same thing every year. Same list. And it's only growing smaller not bigger.

It’s crazy when you look at the Champions. Auburn, GaTech, Colorado may be the only non-elite to win it since 1990

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

To think Rutgers is going to win a championship is stupid! Since 1979 when I walked on to Rutgers as a Freshman only 16 teams have won a National Championship since then. Same thing every year. Same list. And it's only growing smaller not bigger.

For this reason it’s madness to suggest RU would be better off ditching Schiano right now now for someone who might have more upside, but a much lower floor. And anyone unproven at the P5 level fits the latter criteria. I don’t care what they did at a lower level or as a position coach. It’s completely different.

 

[yessir321]

Sorry Dude, Schiano coaches well on game day! 2 years in NFL. And money $$$$ is everything!

Those 2 years in Tampa are still talked about as some of the most embarrassing in nfl history.

But the NFL did learn the patented Schiano let’s charge the ball when the game is over an opponents are taking a knee that is the single most embarrassing play in football.

He’s a disaster of a gameday coach who the over 60 crowd in our fanbase is obsessed with because we were the darlings of college football for 2 weeks with him 19 years ago and they have no clue how to move on… kinda like Uncle Rico reminiscing