So is Donnigan staying?
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I'm pretty sure Dan's contract isn't up yet and, right now, unless somebody with big $$$ comes in and says "here you go, hire this guy to replace this guy," in ANY sport, it's not going to happen.
Oof. Well, check back in 5 years to see if we dug out of this hole because we couldn't find $130,000 or $260,000 to buyout the last year or 2. Wow. This school amazes me.
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The damage will depend on whether there is further roster fallout as some have speculated. He should be gone and since the athletic dept caught a break when Flood rose from the dead in College Park you would think the could address something like this. I know Flood was going anywhere anyway right?
No, it's not as you "expected.' There is NO MONEY to fire ANY coach right now, why is this concept so hard for people to understand? Until we start seeing payments from the Big Ten any such move will be made either:
- when a contract is up, a coach quits, or
- when a donor steps up and says "I want this coach gone, I want to hire this guy, HERE IS THE $$$$."
It's pretty simple, and it has NOTHING to do with soccer, understand?
I think it is hard to understand because firing a coach with Dongigans salary is about 0.5% of the total Athletic Budget and would not really cause any financial hardship to the budget.
I know what you are saying is correct because I have heard the same thing (probably from the same people) but its really crazy as it pertains to this. The school is just wrong to use that approach in this case.
Men's soccer is the only sport where you can say we definitely need, and will benefit from a coaching change right now. Given that fact, the relative costs, and the fact that no newspaper or politician is going to bat an eye at firing a men's soccer coach betting paid under $150,000 who just went 6-13-1 Rutgers really has no excuse here.
If his contract is 1 more year, let's be real, it really isn't that big of a difference.. Bring in the right guy - if DD does't turn it around - and they can do so in 2 seasons. This isn't a men's basketball, or even football post Terry Shea, type of rebuild. I think people here are going way to far off the deep end. There were issues, no doubt, but there IS talent on this roster.
There is talent on the roster but with the level of unhappiness it's anyones guess as to who returns at this point. While it is understandable that money and contract term could be an issue, that policy conveys a culture of apathy. The administration should be looking into this a little closer. They need to decide if DD is the man to do this or not. If he is, a show of support would be beneficial. If he is not, they need to move on. They cannot sacrifice a program simply because of a small contract.
That would and should be totally unacceptable. It sends a message to current and future players that will be incredibly transparent. It says that the Athletic department is committed to mediocrity and not excellence and that Olympic Sports like soccer are even less important. It tells future and current players that the Athletic department is unconcerned with the ultimate development and well being of the individual athlete at Rutgers.
This post was edited on 12/9 12:24 PM by snowboarder
That would and should be totally unacceptable. It sends a message to current and future players that will be incredibly transparent. It says that the Athletic department is committed to mediocrity and not excellence and that Olympic Sports like soccer are even less important. It tells future and current players that the Athletic department is unconcerned with the ultimate development and well being of the individual athlete at Rutgers.
This post was edited on 12/9 12:24 PM by snowboarder
This has been our sports MO forever & why our athletic programs are what they are. We'd rather squander the future than spend an incremental small amount like $150k-$200k. Maybe 2021 or 2022 things change when we get a full B1G share but that's a long ways off.
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I might write Julie a letter on this.
Call her out for being a hypocrite and sticking to her MO of lying...
I wanted to believe the best of her, but not doing anything with the soccer program is proof to me that she doesn't care about championships.
Call her out for being a hypocrite and sticking to her MO of lying...
I wanted to believe the best of her, but not doing anything with the soccer program is proof to me that she doesn't care about championships.
How is she "lying"? Didn't she just announce a $3M dollar practice facility for baseball and softball? Didn't she find the money for Flood to hire Fridge? Aren't those signs that she wants to win championships?
BTW - for the record, despite my connection, I would completely understand IF she were to make a change, right now, in men's soccer.
How the Hell is there no money to buy out a coach (probably for less than 200K and that includes all the assistants) when we just had an increase not only in the amount of tickets sold for football....but with the dynamic pricing, plus additional seat licenses sold, an even larger sum of new money when taking additional parking at 20 bucks a car...and additional concessions into consideration adds up an increase that easily dwarfs what it would cost to bring in a new coach.
We're talking a couple hundred thousand here....not a couple million.
I'm not buying it.
Men's soccer should be one of the top 4 or 5 sports at Rutgers. It shouldn't have to sit on a crummy coach because we can't find a meager 200K, which is 1/4 of one percent of RU's $78.9 million dollar athletic budget.
Hermann is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE AD if she cannot make a change for that reason.
Aren't soccer alums pretty active in funding the program too? I have heard that. Guess him staying is less about money, and more they believe he can get the job done.
It's just frustrating. Soccer can and should be a nationally recognized, championship program at Rutgers. The women have done it.
Cyrock, when you write to Julie with your suggestions make sure you include a nice big check with it. It might help your cause and rationale!
Wasnt her mandate to win championships in all sports at Rutgers ala the olympic sports. As Muller said with the right coach this team could and should either win championships or compete for them every year. there is so much soccer talent in New Jersey.
If indeed they have concluded that Donigan is not the man and they are waiting for the end of his contract, shame on the administration. How dare they sacrifice the experiences of the players in the program now. Years from now those players will realize that the Athletic Department didn't think they were worth the cost of a buy out. If I were one of the top guys on the team, I would leave now. The program is terribly managed. Even if all the players stay, this staff has proven that they will not get it done.
On another note, I have not heard anything about any new commitments for next year. Not one verbal from an academy level player of significance.
On another note, I have not heard anything about any new commitments for next year. Not one verbal from an academy level player of significance.
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
I think we can ALL agree with this comment. No question, it IS frustrating, and I'd bet Julie would be the FIRST to agree!
I wouldn't spend a dime on an AD that I don't think will do the job.
Nuts - Julie promised accountability and championships. I don't see that happening with soccer. There is no accountability for this disaster of a season.
This post was edited on 12/10 9:43 AM by cyrock3
See...with an attitude like this...well, your words mean very little. No offense mean but, as they say, be a part of the solution or a part of the problem. This attitude is a part of the problem however, luckily, a small part and one that is going away day-by-day.
Peace.
This post was edited on 12/10 11:40 AM by AreYouNUTS
Most people on here do not have the money to change the situation singlehandedly. The does not exclude them from having an opinion on the subject. I think most here see an opportunity for Rutgers soccer that is being wasted. This team does have enough talent to build on and be successful next year. I think most people here do not think that current coaching staff is going to get that accomplished. If mamaru is right, and he seems to know some people in the coaching community, things are going in the wrong direction. I also agree with his/her comments on the damage or neglect as it applies to the current group of players. Rutgers as an organization needs to take care of its own. If the the administration is expecting a move at the end of Donigans contract, then they should make that move right now if they are concerned about their student athletes.
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
Does the Big Ten have a war chest that would allow Rutgers Athletics Dept to borrow money at a favorable rate? Given the long-standing tradition of Rutgers Athletics always being behind the curve, the existing situation could go on for perpetuity. Outstanding/exciting/highly competitive Rutgers teams would be a stupendous boost to the Big Ten Network and college athletics on the east coast. Rutgers always playing catchup makes Rutgers irrelevant and a non-attractive game on everyone else's schedule.
Let me understand you, Cyrock3: in your world view, holding somebody accountable is only measured by firing them. Is this correct?
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
When you are trending as bad as Donigan is trending, then what solution do you have beyond firing the coach?
Donigan has had 5 years to turn this program around.
It's in a worse position now than it was during the final Reasso years.
He's lost his best players. Now, he's on the verge of losing the rest of them.
This post was edited on 12/10 2:19 PM by cyrock3
It's her job to build the support necessary to get the money to get rid of the coach. Buggsy is correct: She felt that rather than dealing with a crater of a program in an area where we can compete for national championships, that she would rather prioritize improvements in two sports where WE WILL NEVER WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
Good Laughs? That is all our men's soccer program is worth right now. She can fix that, and change the perception of a losing mentality IMMEDIATELY.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
So you're saying she didn't even need to divert money to pay for the batting cages, and STILL can't find 200K? When she is operating with a nearly $90 Million dollar athletics budget.
Like I said, that is only one quarter of 1 percent we're talking about. Houston just fired their football coach who took them to 2 bowl games, because he was not winning enough. And they spent 128 million on a new stadium.
If you are saying that she can't fundraise 200K, or find it through allocation in current spending, you are admitting that she is in WAAAY over her head.
So yes, she is FAILING. Seems like everyone else is seeing that but you.
Neither of you get it; it's simply stunning how far off you guys are...The people donating for the baseball/softball facility are donating for a specific project because they are supporters of that program. What is so difficult to understand about this? This is being done as such, for EVERY sport, because it's a phenomenal way to raise funds. You bring in new donors, and cultivate old ones, for specififc sports, then get them to donate large sums to the general fund. It worked at Louisville, and many other schools prior, and is already starting to work at Rutgers. Shit, there are wrestling and lax guys, on these boards every day, who know exactly what I'm talking about because they are involved, at a very high level, in those sports.These things don't happen overnight, however, and when when you're an athletic program like ours - LITERALLY one of the worst, if not the worst P5 over athletic department over the last decade - you have a long, long, long way to go, but Julie, Sarah, and company, are doing a very, very good job of getting us started.Originally posted by cyrock3:
It's her job to build the support necessary to get the money to get rid of the coach. Buggsy is correct: She felt that rather than dealing with a crater of a program in an area where we can compete for national championships, that she would rather prioritize improvements in two sports where WE WILL NEVER WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
(...and don't think Tim would be getting rid of Dan, right now, either...)
You really don't get it. No, she isn't "failing," not even close, and it "seems like (almost) everyone else is seeing that but you."Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
Good Laughs? That is all our men's soccer program is worth right now. She can fix that, and change the perception of a losing mentality IMMEDIATELY.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
So you're saying she didn't even need to divert money to pay for the batting cages, and STILL can't find 200K? When she is operating with a nearly $90 Million dollar athletics budget.
Like I said, that is only one quarter of 1 percent we're talking about. Houston just fired their football coach who took them to 2 bowl games, because he was not winning enough. And they spent 128 million on a new stadium.
If you are saying that she can't fundraise 200K, or find it through allocation in current spending, you are admitting that she is in WAAAY over her head.
So yes, she is FAILING. Seems like everyone else is seeing that but you.
Wow, I am stunned how not-in-touch some of you are, it's shocking. I'm going to say it one more time: We are in a deficit. A big, big, big f*cking deficit, every single year (for 5 more years after this one), so unless somebody steps up with $$$ to get rid of a coach, FOR ANY SPORT, we're not going to fire coaches. We'll let contracts run out, and hire new ones, but we're not going to FIRE a coach, right now, unless they go off the deep end. Just how it is so you've got to wait one more year, maybe, to get what you want. Hopefully Dan turns this around next season, however, and shuts everybody up.
This post was edited on 12/11 9:22 AM by AreYouNUTS
We need donations to cover a $130,000-$260,000? Come on. That's silly. BUT, as I've said, Rutgers almost always cheaps out for short-term financial gain at the expense of long-term stability & winning. We prefer to go through the motions rather than compete for titles. I don't blame Julie, as her hands are tied by a BOG that has never committed to winning anything, athletically or academically. Hopefully, things change in 2021 or 2022 when we get a full B1G share.
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Stop the bullshit, Nuts. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
You really don't get it. No, she isn't "failing," not even close, and it "seems like (almost) everyone else is seeing that but you."Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
Good Laughs? That is all our men's soccer program is worth right now. She can fix that, and change the perception of a losing mentality IMMEDIATELY.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
So you're saying she didn't even need to divert money to pay for the batting cages, and STILL can't find 200K? When she is operating with a nearly $90 Million dollar athletics budget.
Like I said, that is only one quarter of 1 percent we're talking about. Houston just fired their football coach who took them to 2 bowl games, because he was not winning enough. And they spent 128 million on a new stadium.
If you are saying that she can't fundraise 200K, or find it through allocation in current spending, you are admitting that she is in WAAAY over her head.
So yes, she is FAILING. Seems like everyone else is seeing that but you.
Wow, I am stunned how not-in-touch some of you are, it's shocking. I'm going to say it one more time: We are in a deficit. A big, big, big f*cking deficit, every single year (for 5 more years after this one), so unless somebody steps up with $$$ to get rid of a coach, FOR ANY SPORT, we're not going to fire coaches. We'll let contracts run out, and hire new ones, but we're not going to FIRE a coach, right now, unless they go off the deep end. Just how it is so you've got to wait one more year, maybe, to get what you want. Hopefully Dan turns this around next season, however, and shuts everybody up.
This post was edited on 12/11 9:22 AM by AreYouNUTS
The fact that she is letting a coach run a program that once played for a national championship and was annually in the top 15 in the country.....into the ground all because she can't find 1/4 of one percent of her total budget to replace him tells me she is a f*vking disaster.
You can kiss her ass all you want, and spin it anyway you want....but she spent more than 200K on stadium upgrades...so there is money to be spent.
I've never felt less confident in an athletic director than I do about her....and her ability to fix the highest or second highest achieving program in Rutgers sports.....for what amounts to peanuts compared to other sports.
RU will spend more than 200K in costs associated with sending administrators and guests of the university to the bowl game in Detroit, yet she won't spend that amount to fire bad coach in a sport that we can and have played at the very highest level of D1 sports.
Think about that for a minute, then tell me I don't get it.
Anyone have any idea how much money gets donated to the soccer program. I hear donations for lacross one in a while but never hear anything about soccer. I know wrestling is being helped out with donation and the RU/NJ wrestling community is finally starting to come together
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