So is Donnigan staying?
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This post was edited on 12/11 12:38 PM by AreYouNUTSOriginally posted by BuggsyRU:
Stop the bullshit, Nuts. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
You really don't get it. No, she isn't "failing," not even close, and it "seems like (almost) everyone else is seeing that but you."Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
Good Laughs? That is all our men's soccer program is worth right now. She can fix that, and change the perception of a losing mentality IMMEDIATELY.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
No. WRONG, the money for the indoor hitting and pitching facility, for TWO sports, is being 100% donated. Why can't people understand this? She is so NOT "failing," at her job right now, it's hysterical that a few still think so. Good laughs for sure though!Originally posted by BuggsyRU:
We get it just fine. She has prioritized a batting cage for baseball and softball over bringing in a new coach that could within a year or two with the high school talent we have in our state, propel our men's program back to being a perennial top 15 ranked program.Originally posted by AreYouNUTS:
LOL, think what you want to think, people, but some of you really just don't get it. Oh well. Maybe one of you should right a nice big check, ask for Dan to be fired, and shut the f*ck up. Wouldn't that make this a whole lot easier than just whining away?
This post was edited on 12/10 9:27 AM by AreYouNUTS
That's what I get.
She is FAILING miserably. IF she can't raise 200K to get it done.... when she is working with an $88 million dollar overall budget....she is FAILING at her job.
So you're saying she didn't even need to divert money to pay for the batting cages, and STILL can't find 200K? When she is operating with a nearly $90 Million dollar athletics budget.
Like I said, that is only one quarter of 1 percent we're talking about. Houston just fired their football coach who took them to 2 bowl games, because he was not winning enough. And they spent 128 million on a new stadium.
If you are saying that she can't fundraise 200K, or find it through allocation in current spending, you are admitting that she is in WAAAY over her head.
So yes, she is FAILING. Seems like everyone else is seeing that but you.
Wow, I am stunned how not-in-touch some of you are, it's shocking. I'm going to say it one more time: We are in a deficit. A big, big, big f*cking deficit, every single year (for 5 more years after this one), so unless somebody steps up with $$$ to get rid of a coach, FOR ANY SPORT, we're not going to fire coaches. We'll let contracts run out, and hire new ones, but we're not going to FIRE a coach, right now, unless they go off the deep end. Just how it is so you've got to wait one more year, maybe, to get what you want. Hopefully Dan turns this around next season, however, and shuts everybody up.
This post was edited on 12/11 9:22 AM by AreYouNUTS
I'm didn't bother reading the rest of your gibberish. This line is funny enough. The only person "embarrassing" themselves here is the person who doesn't have the slightest clue as to what he's talking about: you.
Peace out.
...and this is what is missing for soccer right now. There a few donors/families out there, with some money, but not nearly enough, and the community is far from being "behind" the program. This is what we're trying to work on, for SOCCER and every other sport, but it might take some time. Most understand this, however, some simply refuse to even try and understand. It's a shame.
If a coaches' contract is the only reason that RU is keeping a coach then Herman cannot go out in front of supporters and say she is committed to excellence at Rutgers. She should be honest and trumpet our commitment to fiscal responsibility.
Seriously, if you cannot make a change with a coach making 130 a year, then we are in real trouble. If Herman thinks that Donigan can turn it around, then she needs to support him publicly. She should also address the team itself before it falls apart.
If Herman does not think Donigan can turn it around, then she should move on, period! There are some donors out there that will support the program with significant contributions. They would be foolish at this point however to support a program that has no direction or commitment to anything but cost accountability.
Seriously, if you cannot make a change with a coach making 130 a year, then we are in real trouble. If Herman thinks that Donigan can turn it around, then she needs to support him publicly. She should also address the team itself before it falls apart.
If Herman does not think Donigan can turn it around, then she should move on, period! There are some donors out there that will support the program with significant contributions. They would be foolish at this point however to support a program that has no direction or commitment to anything but cost accountability.
I look forward to Nuts reply to you repeating the same thing ad infinitium,
"What part of we don't have the money don't you understand? Clearly you are a stupid moron. Look at the money we raised for baseball and softball! We clearly rock!"
It's a dumb reply that doesn't take into account the fact that Hermann does not demand excellence. If she did, she would get rid of this clearly failed coach. This is like the situation with Stags. Any institution committed to excellence would have gotten rid of Stags three years before he finally was canned.
I get it that you think a change is needed - hard to really
argue with that based on the results and realities. I just take issue with your word choice as it
relates to accountability, as it is common with you and others. Every day in the news, there is talk of
accountability in some manner. The only
method that people seek is firing people.
Personally, I find that habit unnerving.
I'd love to DD to be successful, but not as much as I want
to see the soccer program return to glory.
Given that he is struggling in keeping his own recruits on campus, I
find it hard to see the forest through the trees at this point.
argue with that based on the results and realities. I just take issue with your word choice as it
relates to accountability, as it is common with you and others. Every day in the news, there is talk of
accountability in some manner. The only
method that people seek is firing people.
Personally, I find that habit unnerving.
I'd love to DD to be successful, but not as much as I want
to see the soccer program return to glory.
Given that he is struggling in keeping his own recruits on campus, I
find it hard to see the forest through the trees at this point.
Attack is such a strong word, Cyrock3. You'll notice that I don't disagree with the merits of a change. I'm more pointing out my own frustration that the word "accountable" is far and away almost always tied to firing people. This stretches well beyond soccer coaches.
This was posted elsewhere on the boards by RutgerZ but it gives you an idea of what Julie is going against at every turn. Not saying that a coach and his staff's salaries are ultimately prohibitive but unfortunately until the B1G monies start coming in we need to be frugal to some extent
Like everyone here I am concerned with the current administration's position on athletics. It's common knowledge that Barchi is intent on eliminating the subsidy as soon as possible. While I agree that the subsidy needs to be reduced, I worry that it will be done too quickly and end up hurting the program and the school.
I've always wanted to speak to Barchi about this... So you can imagine how surprised I was when I got an invitation to a holiday reception for students and recent graduates at the President's House on Busch campus (near the stadium).
The reception began at 8 pm this past Wednesday. I drove there after work, parked in the lot opposite the visitor's center and walked down the long driveway to the President's House. When I reached the front door, I was greeted by President Barchi's wife. My coat was taken. I had no idea what to expect going into this, so I was already impressed.
There were about 30 students and recent graduates along with deans and faculty. I did research while I was a student and developed some pretty good relationships with a few professors which I've maintained, so I guess this was why I was invited.
Anyway, I made smalltalk and mingled for a while, but going into this a goal of mine was to speak to Barchi about athletics. Of course people were taking photos with him and he was the center of attention, so I waited for a better moment to speak as I wanted to have a frank conversation uninterrupted.
Eventually the crowd moved into another room, so I took this as a good moment to move in. I introduced myself and we exchanged some pleasantries, then I dove into the issue. I explained my thoughts on the subsidy, that it needs to be reduced, but that I feared that it would be done too quickly.
Barchi's response was odd. He acknowledged that the subsidy is microscopic compared to the $2 billion + operating budget of the entire school, but then reaffirmed how important it was to eliminate it, saying that it could do alot of good elsewhere.
I responded that we had to speak in terms of marginal benefit. I told him we must take advantage of our joining the Big Ten and the optimism and attention it has generated. Instead of using all of our newfound wealth to squash the subsidy, let's rather put some of it towards that (admirable) goal and use the rest to develop our program and bring it to the next level. Without success, the program will settle into mediocrity, undoing all of the progress of the past decade. Focusing on success now will help us get to the next level, where we will have the revenues of top programs and will likely be able to eliminate much of the subsidy anyway.
At this point his wife walked over and told him that he was wanted for a few more photos in the other room. We began to walk, and the last thing he told me was that he recognized the importance of athletics but that with the right business plan the subsidy can be eliminated without hamstringing the program.
My take away from everything: this guy doesn't get it. Smart man, accomplished man, but he is stuck in the UPenn mindset. He doesn't understand what we are building here. He is more focused on placating the masses than making the politically difficult decision of accepting a moderate subsidy in the short term. This isn't to say that he is spineless. I think he is following his gut, unfortunately.
Let's hope the next president is more reasonable.
Like everyone here I am concerned with the current administration's position on athletics. It's common knowledge that Barchi is intent on eliminating the subsidy as soon as possible. While I agree that the subsidy needs to be reduced, I worry that it will be done too quickly and end up hurting the program and the school.
I've always wanted to speak to Barchi about this... So you can imagine how surprised I was when I got an invitation to a holiday reception for students and recent graduates at the President's House on Busch campus (near the stadium).
The reception began at 8 pm this past Wednesday. I drove there after work, parked in the lot opposite the visitor's center and walked down the long driveway to the President's House. When I reached the front door, I was greeted by President Barchi's wife. My coat was taken. I had no idea what to expect going into this, so I was already impressed.
There were about 30 students and recent graduates along with deans and faculty. I did research while I was a student and developed some pretty good relationships with a few professors which I've maintained, so I guess this was why I was invited.
Anyway, I made smalltalk and mingled for a while, but going into this a goal of mine was to speak to Barchi about athletics. Of course people were taking photos with him and he was the center of attention, so I waited for a better moment to speak as I wanted to have a frank conversation uninterrupted.
Eventually the crowd moved into another room, so I took this as a good moment to move in. I introduced myself and we exchanged some pleasantries, then I dove into the issue. I explained my thoughts on the subsidy, that it needs to be reduced, but that I feared that it would be done too quickly.
Barchi's response was odd. He acknowledged that the subsidy is microscopic compared to the $2 billion + operating budget of the entire school, but then reaffirmed how important it was to eliminate it, saying that it could do alot of good elsewhere.
I responded that we had to speak in terms of marginal benefit. I told him we must take advantage of our joining the Big Ten and the optimism and attention it has generated. Instead of using all of our newfound wealth to squash the subsidy, let's rather put some of it towards that (admirable) goal and use the rest to develop our program and bring it to the next level. Without success, the program will settle into mediocrity, undoing all of the progress of the past decade. Focusing on success now will help us get to the next level, where we will have the revenues of top programs and will likely be able to eliminate much of the subsidy anyway.
At this point his wife walked over and told him that he was wanted for a few more photos in the other room. We began to walk, and the last thing he told me was that he recognized the importance of athletics but that with the right business plan the subsidy can be eliminated without hamstringing the program.
My take away from everything: this guy doesn't get it. Smart man, accomplished man, but he is stuck in the UPenn mindset. He doesn't understand what we are building here. He is more focused on placating the masses than making the politically difficult decision of accepting a moderate subsidy in the short term. This isn't to say that he is spineless. I think he is following his gut, unfortunately.
Let's hope the next president is more reasonable.
The Prez serves are the pleasure of the Board of Governors. The BOG sets the agenda as it relates to the subsidy, making the President's job to figure out how to address it. You may not enjoy this, but this is where Barchi is left with little choice. Besides: there are bigger issues for him to deal with. This is not a UPenn mindset...this is a university president mindset (please trust me on this...I work in the business).
This is not to say that he "doesn't get athletics", as he most certainly does. The guy is a fanatic, played college sports, and wants us to win. He also is not the Chief Athletic Director.
This is not to say that he "doesn't get athletics", as he most certainly does. The guy is a fanatic, played college sports, and wants us to win. He also is not the Chief Athletic Director.
Whether or not Barchi is working diligently to improve RU athletics, I have no idea. But, based on the interview with Barchi cited below, to call him a sports "fanatic" seems to be a mischaracterization.
--> How much of a sports fan are you?[/B]
"I would say compared to the average New Jersey sports fan that seems to read the (newspaper), on a scale of 1-to-10 I'm a 1. But if you asked me personally, I played sports in college, I follow football pretty regularly and I like to watch basketball. So I'd give myself a medium rating in terms of athletics. I make it to all the football games at home and I try to get to a fair number of basketball games. I really enjoy it, and so does my wife.''
--> How much of a sports fan are you?[/B]
"I would say compared to the average New Jersey sports fan that seems to read the (newspaper), on a scale of 1-to-10 I'm a 1. But if you asked me personally, I played sports in college, I follow football pretty regularly and I like to watch basketball. So I'd give myself a medium rating in terms of athletics. I make it to all the football games at home and I try to get to a fair number of basketball games. I really enjoy it, and so does my wife.''
I'm basing my impression of him entirely on my own dealings with the man 1:1. Are others 'more fanatic'? Of course.
cyrock3 ,
I can tell that you are upset about the direction of the men's soccer team. However, is it possible that Nuts "dumb reply" is also the truth? There is, and has not been, much money donated for the soccer team recently. The athletic department is broke and supposed to decrease the deficit instead of increasing it. You are focused on the very short term; you don't think we will win next year so fire the coach. You attack the AD for taking money for other sports but fail to realize that getting a donation by baseball/softball fans to improve facilities is different from taking money from soccer fans to change the coach. The AD is trying to improve facilities and also to slowly cultivate donors.
I think it is possible to be simultaneously committed to excellence and also realize that not all problems will be fixed within 18 months.
Unbelievable. Failure Hermann is partying in Detroit, spending several hundred thousand on the good will trip....while our once proud soccer program remains held hostage by Donigan all because Jules can't even raise 200K to fire him.
Some commitment to excellence Julie.
Pernetti would have found the money to fire him by now.
Mulcahy would have found the money to find him by now.
Any "good" AD would have found the money to fire a coach who has turned a former Rutgers bragging point.....into an embarrassment.
Yet I don't get it, right NUTS?
Pathetic.
I suspect the reality is that there are lots and lots of Div-1 soccer programs that do not buy out the contracts of soccer coaches and their assistants when the results are lackluster or worse. The only way I see there being "rainy day" funds set aside for the soccer coaching staff is if the coach has a multi-year contract with bonus provisions, for winning titles and championships and player APR and graduation, that have never been met.
Beyond over-simplifying how coaching changes are made....allow me to remind you that:
1) Mulcahy never fired Reasso; Pernetti did. Reasso had numerous years of a slow slide towards a point not too different than where we are now.
Hermann never hired Donigan; Pernetti did. So, no points to TP for this one.
This post was edited on 12/24 11:11 PM by AdamsGarden
This post was edited on 12/24 11:18 PM by AdamsGarden
1) Mulcahy never fired Reasso; Pernetti did. Reasso had numerous years of a slow slide towards a point not too different than where we are now.
Hermann never hired Donigan; Pernetti did. So, no points to TP for this one.
This post was edited on 12/24 11:11 PM by AdamsGarden
This post was edited on 12/24 11:18 PM by AdamsGarden
Yes, but has Donigan taken any team to two Final 4's? Has Donigan ever played in a national championship game? Has he ever had a team ranked #1 in the country?
Reasso has, so he had some bank to work with when he was on the decline.
Donigan wishes he could have the resume Reasso had, so the situation is NOT the same.
Reasso did phenomenal things with/for this program - I was there and a huge fan, following the team around, for years, to be honest - nobody has EVER questioned that, but it was on the decline when he left - in a big way - so I don't know why he's even being brought into the conversation. Bob's last 3 season went as follows if you don't remember:
2007 (7-11-1)
2008 (6-9-3)
2009 (9-10-0)
...Dan is struggling, nobody will question that, but continuing to talk about money that the football program is bringing in, to do things for the football program, makes anybody who brings it up sound like a complete idiot. SMH. One more time: if you want Dan to be fired, go find a few guys willing to shell out the $$$ to do so, and hire a new HC, and go to Julie with the money. If you don't want to put forth the effort, however, too bad, STFU, and move along, because there is NO money to do this with otherwise. I know you STILL won't understand this, and don't understand why I bother, but figured I'd give it one more shot.
Merry Christmas!
2007 (7-11-1)
2008 (6-9-3)
2009 (9-10-0)
...Dan is struggling, nobody will question that, but continuing to talk about money that the football program is bringing in, to do things for the football program, makes anybody who brings it up sound like a complete idiot. SMH. One more time: if you want Dan to be fired, go find a few guys willing to shell out the $$$ to do so, and hire a new HC, and go to Julie with the money. If you don't want to put forth the effort, however, too bad, STFU, and move along, because there is NO money to do this with otherwise. I know you STILL won't understand this, and don't understand why I bother, but figured I'd give it one more shot.
Merry Christmas!
Dear Lord.
My larger point was not Donigan v. Reasso. It was Hermann v. Pernetti v. Mulcahy.
That said, you need to understand how powerful momentum is in college athletics. The rich get richer, but the poor get poorer. When we began the decline, it was years before the records started to show it. Rutgers was just not the place to go for top talent. That is why Bob was let go. He clearly could still coach (see what he's done down south). Enter Dan Donigan and the momentum was already established.
Clearly, DD's job is to stop that slide and he has not done it. But let's not paint some rosy picture that Rutgers was at the level they were in the 80's and 90's.
I am sure you don't really mean that you want to fire DD on Christmas Eve (despite saying that this should have been done 'yesterday'). Am I right in this, or are you just totally heartless?
This post was edited on 12/26 12:16 AM by AdamsGarden
My larger point was not Donigan v. Reasso. It was Hermann v. Pernetti v. Mulcahy.
That said, you need to understand how powerful momentum is in college athletics. The rich get richer, but the poor get poorer. When we began the decline, it was years before the records started to show it. Rutgers was just not the place to go for top talent. That is why Bob was let go. He clearly could still coach (see what he's done down south). Enter Dan Donigan and the momentum was already established.
Clearly, DD's job is to stop that slide and he has not done it. But let's not paint some rosy picture that Rutgers was at the level they were in the 80's and 90's.
I am sure you don't really mean that you want to fire DD on Christmas Eve (despite saying that this should have been done 'yesterday'). Am I right in this, or are you just totally heartless?
This post was edited on 12/26 12:16 AM by AdamsGarden
One of Hermann's jobs as an athletic director is to fundraise. If she can't raise 200K on her own to replace a failed coach, it is on her. It is not my job to donate the money. It is her job to find the people and corporate sponsors that can step forward.
Stop this bullshit that it is our job to bring the money to her...so she can fire him. The onus is not on us. The onus is completely 100 percent on her. Any idiot knows that.
She runs the program. It is her F'n job to raise the money....and replace him. What don't you understand about that?
You say there's no money to fire DD?
Then do your job and get the money. Stop letting your most accomplished sport in your department continue to deteriorate because you can't come up with less than one percent of your total budget to so it on your own.
As a good Loyal Son/Daughter isn't it OUR job to donate (if your financial situation permits you to do so)?
Her job is to remind us not to forget Athletics in said gift to our Alma Mater.
And how/when did we switch from Men's Soccer to Women's Basketball in this discussion?
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This post was edited on 12/28 12:20 AM by e5fdny
If you want programs to reach their potential and compete nationally, yes, it is your responsibility to donate.
Com'on Brad you're a better/smarter poster than this and I'm pretty sure you understand the gist of what's going on with our fundraising efforts these days.
you are clearly out of touch with any reality. I have not read such a vile person on the board in a while here...this thread and your embarrassing display on that round table thread confirms it.
Your words would be hurtful, and make me look at the mirror for a some real self reflection.....if I had even an ounce of respect for your opinion.
I don't.
I get it. In real life, you are probably not that important....or popular, so you use a sports forum to make yourself feel important. 73,000 posts? Do you even know there is a real life out there,not on a computer screen? I kinda feel sorry for you and your existence.
Stop stalking me... you weird, old freak. I have an actual non-internet life to live.
Now, go ahead and have the last word, like you surely NEED to do....to feed your importance on this board.
This post was edited on 1/2 1:32 PM by BuggsyRU
I only came to this board to read about yesterday's wrestling match, but read through this thread as my friends and I were discussing this on our bowl trip.
I support JH, but I find myself scratching my head here. It just seems crazy that a B1G program can't find 150-200k.
RU has a good number of prominent soccer alumni. It just doesn't make any sense.
My guess is- like we have seen before- the donors have a lot of stipulations and many of them are backing Donigan. It's on JH to "make the case" like I always say.
It's sad but it seems like basically we're only going to try in football, WBB, women's soccer, and wrestling over the next few years.
I support JH, but I find myself scratching my head here. It just seems crazy that a B1G program can't find 150-200k.
RU has a good number of prominent soccer alumni. It just doesn't make any sense.
My guess is- like we have seen before- the donors have a lot of stipulations and many of them are backing Donigan. It's on JH to "make the case" like I always say.
It's sad but it seems like basically we're only going to try in football, WBB, women's soccer, and wrestling over the next few years.
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